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Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:11 PM

Good post on gun control on FB, starting to go viral

This guy, Josh Fielder, posted his thoughts on FB about the gun control issue, and it's starting to go viral because so many people think it's a well-researched thoughful post. Even most people who disagree with him have been civil!

So far, it has over 65k likes, shared by over 41k, and i imagine more people have "liked" it where it was re-shared. If you're on FB and like his post, please go "like" it. I think he'll get a kick out of seeing so many people appreciate it.

Few hours ago, Fielder posted on his wall that he's amazed at the reaction to a status update! LOL!

I'm posting his original post in its entirety here because not everyone at DU does FB. I'm sure Fielder won't mind.

https://www.facebook.com/Josh.Fielder/posts/4048262014066


So, here's my two cents (which will end up being closer to $1.50 I'm sure) and I'm sure I will regret posting this later, due to the "friends" I will lose while exercising my First Amendment, but here goes.

Instead of posting a meme with a picture and a falsely attributed quote or a made up statistic, I've spent my time researching the gun violence/gun control debate. And I'd like to talk about some of the pervasive themes I've seen lately.

First off, Hitler did not say "In order to conquer a country, you must first disarm its citizens." In fact, Hitler made it his position to enable guns to be obtained more easily. http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/disarm.asp

Secondly, the presidents, and I mean ALL of them, and their families, receive death threats on a daily basis. President Obama did not enact the regulations that REQUIRE Secret Service protection for him and his family. If you believe your children are as much of a target as the president's children, then you have a self inflated idea of your position in this world. http://www.secretservice.gov/protection.shtml

Thirdly, there is NO law or bill being considered that would allow anyone to come marching into your home to take your legally obtained and legally owned firearms. There are possible laws that are being explored that would require more responsibility on the part of the gun owner or person purchasing a gun (i.e. pass a background check even if buying a gun from a gun show dealer). If you buy a car from a dealer it must be registered (a record of the transfer is documented). If you buy a car from a private citizen, it must be registered. If you buy a gun from a dealer, there is a record of that sale and it is registered. So how is it illogical to require the same for private sales of firearms?

Fourth, there are not more people being killed with baseball bats than guns. If you disagree with that because you saw a picture stating otherwise on the internet, then I would like to offer you the chance to buy some oceanfront property in Arizona and I'll throw in the Brooklyn Bridge for free. There is no magical solution for solving the problem of gun violence. THAT is what we need to solve. http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/baseballbats.asp

We don't ban cars that are used in DUI related deaths, but we do enact regulations regarding blood alcohol limits, prosecute people who enable a drunk driver to operate a vehicle after serving them, promote a DUI campaign raising awareness and educating drivers on the dangers of driving while intoxicated. All of which has reduced DUI related fatalities by over 40% in a decade. http://www.centurycouncil.org/drunk-driving/drunk-driving-statistics

The media is not hiding other gun related stories because they want to sensationalize the problem, they are simply unable to cover every gun death story because there would be an average of 80 of them each day. So they concentrate (unfortunately) on the massacres which I think we can all agree, happen all too often.

I find the fact that more children are killed in the US by guns than in the entire Middle East region, very disturbing.

I find it disturbing that the NRA blames the rise in violent shootings on video games and then comes out with its own shooting video game (categorized for children as young as 4 years of age) less than a month after Newtown.

I find it disturbing that other countries spend in excess of twice as much as the US on violent video games and have a small fraction of the amount of gun related deaths/injuries.

I find it disturbing that instead of looking for a solution to a problem like Newtown, there are people wasting their time and energy by trying to turn it into a conspiracy theory.

I find it disturbing that guns are the third largest killer of children ages 5-14 in the US.

I find it disturbing that a child in America is 12 times more likely to be killed with a gun than the rest of the "developed" world.

I find it disturbing that there are more guns privately owned in America than the next SEVENTEEN countries combined.

I find it disturbing that all of these statistics are not discussed but fake statistics about a baseball bat death rate are plastered everywhere.

I find it disturbing that some people believe that the ONLY answer to this problem is more guns.

Banning all firearms is NOT the answer, which is exactly why it's not being proposed. This country has enacted laws that didn't work before, so they've been revised, repealed, reformed, etc. It's ludicrous to think that as a society, we evolve, but the laws governing us cannot? The NRA states that the assault weapons ban didn't work the first time. Well, you know what they say, "If at first you don't succeed, f*%k it.".

If armed guards are the only answer to ending school shootings, then explain the VT shooting. Virginia Tech had an entire police department complete with a SWAT unit. Explain Columbine, which had an armed officer on staff. When discussing an end to gun violence in schools, there should be NOTHING left off of the table.

Ronald Reagan, a huge gun proponent and signor of the Brady Bill, wrote to Congress in 1994 asking them to propose legislation limiting or stopping altogether the manufacture of guns classified as assault weapon. And anyone saying "assault weapon" is a made up term should remember that every word in every language is, in fact, made up.

And yes, criminals don't typically obey laws, but we still have them. Can you use that logic to say there should be none at all? No.

Let me be clear, I am NOT anti gun. I have nothing against guns or responsible gun owners. I served proudly in the military, I worked in armed security, I've hunted, and enjoy target shooting since I was a kid. And I'm sure most gun enthusiasts are the same way. However, this issue should be discussed logically and rationally, and all I see are comments and pictures that are anything but rational and for the most part, are just viral, inflammatory, unresearched, vitriol.

The president enacted 23 executive actions today, of which only 2 have anything to do with limiting the availability of a category of gun or a magazine capacity. The remaining 21 deal with aspects regarding background checks, school safety and mental health system requirements and deficiencies. Will it be a perfect solution? No. Will it help? We'll see. Is it better than doing nothing? Definitely. If we keep using the statement, "It's too soon to talk about it." after each tragedy, pretty soon, we'll never talk about it.

OK, so maybe it ended up closer to $2.00 instead of 2 cents. So sue me.


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Reply Good post on gun control on FB, starting to go viral (Original post)
shireen Jan 2013 OP
Xipe Totec Jan 2013 #1
NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #2
beac Jan 2013 #6
NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #7
beac Jan 2013 #42
NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #44
beac Jan 2013 #46
NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #47
a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #50
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nolabear Jan 2013 #51
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baldguy Jan 2013 #10
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baldguy Jan 2013 #36
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Response to shireen (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:14 PM

1. Awesome! K&R! nt

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:18 PM

2. Note to Josh: Calm down.

I'm running though his FB rant and, yeah, I can agree with a lot of it.

It's obvious.

Doesn't take a rocket surgeon.

But when I got to this I knew I was onto someone without a grasp of data interpretation:

I find it disturbing that there are more guns privately owned in America than the next SEVENTEEN countries combined.


WTF does that even mean, absent a 'per capita' or 'per square mile' qualification?

Hey Josh with the viral FB posting....

Meh.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:30 PM

6. Note to NYC_SKP: Take your own advice.

Your response = nit-pickery at its very finest. Meh.

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Response to beac (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:42 PM

7. Josh sez, "The president enacted 23 executive actions today,..." Bullshit. Carry on...

Or do you think that's an accurate statement?

But go ahead and like it and post it to your timeline.

It won't do squat except for spread misinformation.

Carry on...



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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 12:11 PM

42. I don't Facebook and I am very aware of

what side you are on in this debate. Carry on...

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Response to beac (Reply #42)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 12:19 PM

44. No, you don't.

I've written elsewhere on this board where I stand and I'll bet you haven't a clue what I've said about an AWB and magazine capacity and mandatory checks and the gun show loophole.

What I dread are the low information Facebook warriors who post misinformation and then the way some people get all gooey over it and think they're going to change the world by pressing the "Like" button.

And then, too often, that's all they do.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #44)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 12:37 PM

46. Uh huh...

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Response to beac (Reply #46)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 12:44 PM

47. Yes, indeed. So, what is your point?

You obviously know very little about different firearms.

The Mossberg 500 is a perfectly legal hunting and defense weapon in every state and it's a SINGLE SHOT design.

Now just what is wrong with that?

Is it an AR15? No.

Is it even semi-automatic? No?

You carry on with yourself, there's no shame in responsible gun ownership.



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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #47)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 01:13 PM

50. ummm... They'll be peace when they are done?

 

The Mossberg series seems to be a reliable line. Many in my family of choice own one.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #47)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:15 PM

69. If you truly feel no shmae in posting that the day after little children were slaughtered,

then I guess you have no shame at all.

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Response to beac (Reply #46)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 05:40 PM

59. And there you go....

Eloquently stated, me thinks.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:54 PM

11. I used to give things the old "meh" also

"Hey Josh with the viral FB posting.... Meh."
I used to give things the old "meh" also when they didn't tow the lines of my sacred cows.





"WTF does that even mean, absent a 'per capita' or 'per square mile' qualification?"
I think it means that more guns are privately owned in American than the next seventeen countries combined...

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 12:05 PM

41. If he had said: "America's defense budget is greater than the next

seventeen countries combined.", would you have understood that?

Replace the dollars with guns. It isn't that hard.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 02:16 PM

51. That's an awful response to someone trying to do something good.

Believe me, it might not take a rocket surgeon, but it does take more than many of the people who are posting RW screeds have. If this non-attacking, reasoned post moves the conversation at all, it's worth a million nit-picking, "meh"s.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #51)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 07:00 PM

62. I wouldn't have written it to that actual Josh if Josh was a DU member.

I try to be better than that, but for some perfect stranger who isn't a member here-- well, it doesn't bother me so much.

The specifics of Josh's FB rant, which is a fine rant mind you, don't stand up to scrutiny and I felt obliged to point it out.

For example, the president did NOT issue executive orders as Josh said. That's actually an NRA RW talking point.

Still, because of the emotional nature of the writing, it gets all this attention.

We need to work from a solid foundation based on facts, not on emotional postings on Facebook.

BTW, I was just talking with my sister about recent trips to NOLA and my favorite musical moment ever, Marlon Jordan at the Bombay Club...

Best trio (turned quartet later in the evening) ever!

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:21 PM

3. Very well stated.

I shared this on my FB feed.
It's needs to be seen by as many as possible.

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:22 PM

4. Great argument. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. nt

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:25 PM

5. This part

 

If you believe your children are as much of a target as the president's children, then you have a self inflated idea of your position in this world.
So then all of our children are safe unless we have a "Position" in this world. Tell that to the parents in Newtown.

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Response to rustydog (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 09:53 PM

22. Can you please self edit?

I am still shocked that retard is thrown around here like other words at a clan party.

Other than that you are on point.

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Response to Berserker (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:47 PM

10. That's not what's being said and you know it.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 10:08 AM

35. That's exactly what was said .......

 

forchissakes.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #35)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 10:43 AM

36. Please, show me where the OP, the OP's source, the President, or anyone else is belittling

the massacre at Newtown as alleged by post #5. Go ahead, I'll wait.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #36)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 10:48 AM

37. I said nothing about what was alledged .......

 

.... only what was said.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #37)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 11:05 AM

40. Then you are wrong.

The OP never implied anywhere that "all of our children are safe unless we have a 'Position' in this world.". Post #5 is deliberately promoting the same RW lie that's the basis of the disgusting, unAmerican NRA ad featuring the President's children - and you're helping them.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #40)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 02:37 PM

52. Reading comprehension ....

 

... is important.

"If you believe your children are as much of a target as the president's children, then you have a self inflated idea of your position in this world." is exactly what the author in the article in the OP said. Which is what the post above was referring to. I never alluded to anything else.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #52)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 03:18 PM

54. And post #5 asserts the two statements mean the same thing. They don't.

"If you believe your children are as much of a target as the president's children, then you have a self inflated idea of your position in this world."

Is in no way, and could never rationally be construed to be the same as

"...all of our children are safe unless we have a 'Position' in this world."

Yet this false equivalence is clearly the intent of post #5. Reading comprehension indeed. Try reading the post I was replying to before you provide proof of your stupidity.

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Response to Berserker (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:58 PM

12. I understand your frustration

I understand your frustration at so many people shining lights on this sacred cow and it finally being discussed on a national level, but I don't really understand your confusion between "safe" and "safer", unless it's merely the dogma of that sacred cow forcing you to conflate the two... dogma can can often prevent us from seeing inconvenient nuance. I saw that first-hand at a baptist church many years ago.

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Response to Berserker (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:03 PM

23. Statistically speaking, he's right. nt

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Response to Berserker (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 11:32 PM

32. You cannot be serious! n-t

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Response to Berserker (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 10:54 AM

38. RU Berserk?

Don't you understand what he is saying?

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Response to Berserker (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 11:04 AM

39. So let me hey this straight

You get an average of twenty death threats a day?

Ok.

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Response to Berserker (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 12:55 PM

49. Did you really have to shit all over my favorite movie with your sign line picture?



You're out of your element, Donny.

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:43 PM

8. Thanks for sharing! Excdllent post

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 09:16 PM

13. From a lifelong gun

Enthusiast and a one time federally licensed dealer, this is the epitome of how this should be addressed and discussed the far right idiots that think no laws should be passed in an attempt to create a safer saner world to the opposite side that thinks we should get rid of all guns (I want to know what they would say when marshal law is declared so that the US Army can go door to door to get all the guns) a reasonable discussion can and should be held to determine the best safest sanest way to accomplish what every sane person knows needs to be don in order to accomplish that goal.

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Response to Old Codger (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 10:01 AM

34. Agreed, but it's a tiny, irrelevant number of people who want to "get rid of all guns"

and by the way, it's "martial law" not "marshal law" and there is exactly 0 possibility of that happening anytime in the US for at least the next century or so (assuming our government is not overthrown or we aren't successfully invaded by a totalitarian regime).

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Response to Old Codger (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 04:02 PM

55. Punctution is your friend, OC.

Regards.

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Response to juajen (Reply #55)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 04:04 PM

56. Gee Thanks

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Response to Old Codger (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 09:00 PM

67. Marshal Law?

anything like martial law?

The rest of your post I agree with.

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Response to kwassa (Reply #67)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 09:29 PM

68. sorry bout that

wasn't thinking about the spelling really....usually don't have that much trouble with spelling and punctuation and stuff like that but happens sometimes...

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 09:22 PM

14. Just shared this on my own FB page

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 09:23 PM

15. K&R

Shared on Facebook

Licensed gun owner...

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 09:30 PM

16. Great post!

I will share it.

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 09:31 PM

17. Great gun control rant...

K&R


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Response to shireen (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 09:31 PM

18. K & R !!!


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Response to shireen (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 09:44 PM

19. Kick. I think the quality of this post is indicated by the lameness of the

posts criticizing it.

Boy. They're really, really lame.

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 09:53 PM

21. Excellent post Shireen

And you can tell Josh this DUer thanks him.

Hekate

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:03 PM

24. a great post - that I just posed on my FB timeline

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:05 PM

25. Thank you for posting.

Great points, here.

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:13 PM

26. K&R and Shared.

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:23 PM

27. OK

There are possible laws that are being explored that would require more responsibility on the part of the gun owner or person purchasing a gun (i.e. pass a background check even if buying a gun from a gun show dealer). If you buy a car from a dealer it must be registered (a record of the transfer is documented). If you buy a car from a private citizen, it must be registered. If you buy a gun from a dealer, there is a record of that sale and it is registered. So how is it illogical to require the same for private sales of firearms?


Clarification: gun show dealers have always had to do background checks on their sales. It doesn't matter if the sale is at their store or at a gun show. If I buy a car from a private citizen or from a dealer I don't have to register the car 'if' I want to take it home and only use it on my own private property. So by the example given I shouldn't need to register any gun, whether I buy it from a dealer or private owner as long as I use it on my private property.

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:27 PM

28. Always Good to Hear

a Voice of Reason

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:30 PM

29. I agree with the OP. I am also a gun owner. I have one simple suggestion. ...

In order to make any true progress on the issue of gun violence in our nation it would be wise if all gun control advocates banned the use of the word "ban" when referring to future federal gun laws.

That one simple word is causing many gun owners to ignore any reasonable ideas purposed by the gun control side of the debate and instead to start talking about "jack booted thugs" or blue helmeted UN troops going house to house, confiscating firearms and sending their owners to clandestine FEMA reeducation camps for "reeducation."

Gun owners fearing a total ban or confiscation are running down to their local gun stores and buying everything in sight including all the ammo. They feel that if you have any desire to buy a firearm it is wise to buy it now. Consequently some very lethal firearms are ending up in the hands of people who have little or no use for them or experience in how to safely handle such weapons. I fear many will not be stored properly in gun safes and might be stolen and end up on our streets in criminal hands. We should be trying to reduce the number of firearms in the wrong hands through better laws but instead we are causing the sales of these weapons to skyrocket instead. We are effectively shooting ourselves in the foot.

I seriously can't believe some of the total bullshit I have heard recently about Obama and how he intends to destroy our nation. It is true that he is far more liberal than conservative Americans would prefer but he does not plan to repeal the 2nd Amendment or redistribute all the wealth of the 1% to those on welfare. When I mention this to other gun owners they yell at me that Obama wants to take away our guns and once he accomplishes this he will tear up the Constitution and pass laws so he can be President forever. I know some well educated and intelligent gun owners who actually believe this shit. It's driving me crazy!



When the word "ban" is mentioned when discussing Federal gun control it is like throwing gasoline on a simmering fire. The simple political reality is that at the best a future assault weapons ban will not truly "ban" these weapons but might involve better regulation of them . Why not simply avoid the term "ban" and instead say "better regulate"? Our leaders should be telling people that if they are honest, sane and responsible citizens that our government is not going to confiscate their firearms.

Now for those of you who do wish to ban firearms I suggest you work at your state level. New York just passed a very strong gun control law so perhaps you can pass a much stronger law in your state.

Of course I would also like to caution the extreme right to turn down their rhetoric. If they fire up a few very dangerous people and cause them to launch an insurrection it will be quickly squashed as it has little support from 95% of our citizens. Of course if a minor rebellion does occur we will undoubtedly have some truly draconian gun laws in the future. I also have some serious worry that some nut case or small group may try to assassinate Obama or another public official. If that does happen the far right wing commentators may have blood on their hands.

It would also help if the news media reported the facts about this issue without lies and distortions. For example rifles similar to the AR-15 are not "killing machines" but are used for competitive target shooting at the national level and hunting and may be a good choice for a self defense weapon in a rural environment. It is true that you don't need a hi-capacity magazine to hunt deer and states that do allow deer hunting with a semi-auto rifle have a limit on the amount of rounds you can have in the magazine (usually five). In states like Florida which have a high population of feral pigs hunters do use AR-15s with 20 or 30 round magazines. Feral pigs are not native to our nation and do a considerable amount of damage to the environment and therefore are considered pests. They are also quite intelligent and have been known to attack humans. You definitely do not wish to come between a mother boar and her piglets.

Wild boar

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Aggression toward humans

Wild boar attacks on humans are not common but do occur occasionally. Usually, boars, like most wild animals, will avoid interactions with humans. Due to the clearing of natural boar habitats, the number of interactions, including aggressive ones, between humans and boars has increased. When dealing aggressively with a human, boars will charge at them. Sometimes, these may be bluff charges but, in other cases, violent contact will be made. While the impact of the large, hard-skulled head may cause considerable damage itself, most damage is inflicted by the boar's tusk. When ramming into a person, the boar will slash the tusks upwards, creating sizeable open lacerations on the skin. Due to the height of the boar relative to a human, most wounds are inflicted to the upper legs. Some attacks are provoked, such as when hunters wound a boar which then counterattacks. Male boars become most aggressive during the mating season and may charge at humans at such times. Occasionally, female boars will attack if they feel their piglets are threatened, especially if a human physically comes between them and their young. Although a majority of boar attack victims recover with medical treatment, fatalities do occasionally occur.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_boar


What I am basically suggesting is that both sides of the gun control issue tone down a bit and treat each other with some respect and honesty. If that happens, which is probably unlikely, we might actually pass some meaningful legislation that will help curb gun violence and mass murders.

I can always hope.

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Response to spin (Reply #29)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 12:14 PM

43. Your comments are very good, I'm a gun owner, a hunter

and in the NRA, but I voted for Obama.

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Response to oldbanjo (Reply #43)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 12:45 PM

48. Both McCain and Romney had a mixed history on support gun rights. ...

In fact if Romney would have been elected there would have been a higher chance of extremely strong gun control passing.

Let's look at Mitt Romney as McCain never had a realistic chance of getting elected after eight years of Bush the Junior.


Mitt Romney on Gun Control

Former Republican Governor (MA); presidential nominee-apparent


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2002: I will not chip away at MA's tough gun laws

In 1994 Romney had supported firearms-control measures opposed by the National Rifle Association: the so-called Brady Bill, which restricted the sale of handguns, and the assault weapons ban. During the 1994 senatorial campaign he had taunted: "That's not going to make me the hero of the NRA." He reinforced his support for these measures when he ran for governor in 2002, when he promised not to chip away at the Commonwealth's tough gun laws. Now as a presidential candidate, Romney presented himself disingenuously as a lifetime member of the NRA and a hunter of "varmints," which prompted the acerbic Boston Globe columnist Joan Vennochi to write: "Leave it to Mitt Romney to shoot himself in the foot with a gun he doesn't own."
Source: An Inside Look, by R.B.Scott, p.144-145 , Nov 22, 2011

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I support the work of the NRA, but disagree sometimes

We should check on the backgrounds of people who are trying to purchase guns. We also should keep weapons of unusual lethality from being on the street. And finally, we should go after people who use guns in the commission of crimes or illegally, but we should not interfere with the right of law-abiding citizens to own guns, for their own personal protection or hunting or any other lawful purpose. I support the work of the NRA. I’m a member of the NRA. But do we line up on every issue? No, we don’t.
Source: Meet the Press: 2007 “Meet the Candidates” series , Dec 16, 2007


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Supports Second Amendment rights but also assault weapon ban

Q: As governor you signed into law one of the toughest restrictions on assault weapons in the country.
A: Let’s get the record straight. First of all, there’s no question that I support 2nd Amendment rights, but I also support an assault weapon ban. Look, I’ve been governor in a pretty tough state. You’ve heard of blue states. In the toughest of blue states, I made the toughest decisions and did what was right for America. I have conservative values.
Source: 2007 Republican Debate in South Carolina , May 15, 2007

Will support assault weapons bill and Brady Bill

The candidate reiterated his support for an assault weapons ban contained in Congress’ crime bill, and the Brady law which imposes a five-day waiting period on handgun purchases. ‘I don’t think (the waiting period) will have a massive effect on crime but I think it will have a positive effect,’ Romney said.
Source: Joe Battenfeld in Boston Herald , Aug 1, 1994
http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Mitt_Romney_Gun_Control.htm



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Response to spin (Reply #29)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 02:51 PM

53. Good Point

I agree with you.

I like the Josh Fielder FB. I am following him now,, shared his post on my FB and also copied it to those I email to that don't have FB.

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Response to spin (Reply #29)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 08:23 PM

66. A welcome bit of sanity. Thanks.

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:38 PM

30. assault weapons are for killing. That's why all my soldiers train and carry them.

just to remind the people that say pistol grips are "cosmetic"

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #30)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 12:24 PM

45. I have no use for a AR15 in .223 caliber

but in a subdivision with a lot of houses close together it is the safest gun to shoot inside your house, the hollow point bullet will not travel thru multiple walls like most other calibers. A shot gun with 00 buckshot will hit your neighbors house, so will a 9mm, 357 and most pistols, people that think they are safer without the AR15 next door are mistaken. It is the safest gun to have next door.

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 11:18 PM

31. "...more children are killed in the US by guns than in the entire Middle East region..."

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 12:10 AM

33. K & R

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 04:05 PM

57. this is brilliant. very well researched and well done

he's answered many of the objections falsely raised as a smoke screen when promoting any type of gun control.

we have another excellent person.

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 04:55 PM

58. Very good post

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 05:43 PM

60. I'm posting this to my facebook page

Great find.

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 06:56 PM

61. Shared on my FB

Righteous rant.

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 07:11 PM

63. That's pretty good, but it doesn't address the $$$ involved, and who stands to lose them.

 

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 07:23 PM

64. So often, my thoughts on this come back to one thing ...

I've often heard it said that, if we are to regulate firearms, we'll have to regulate every tool which could be used to kill. Cars, hammers, knives, etc. It's supposed to be the "gotcha!" counter of the pro-gun movement.

A car can kill, yes, but it's used 99% of the time (my arbitrary but probably true statistic) with the intention of transportation, not destruction. Cars are vital in our world, getting us from point A to point B. Different kinds of cars can be equipped to serve different purposes, from your regular minivan to an ambulance.

Hammers are about as old as human civilization, and they can be used to kill, too. We even had war hammers in the middles ages. Today, we think of hammers a little more modestly. They will be used 99% of the time (again, arbitrarily) for something other than destruction and mayhem. Imagine trying to build a house without a hammer.

Knives can certainly be used to kill. That's been true throughout history. I'll lower my estimate here, guessing that 95% of us will use knives with non-lethal intent. Knives can be used for everything from cooking to crafts and beyond.

Guns? With guns, it's pretty simple. You point the barrel at a target, you pull the trigger, and that target is either killed or seriously damaged. That's it. A gun has no other purpose as a tool.

Of all those, which of those sounds most in need of regulation? (Setting aside that cars are already regulated, I guess.)

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Response to shireen (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 07:58 PM

65. kick

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