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Showing Original Post only (View all)Honest, Adult Debate. Gun Violence, Goddamnit! [View all]
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There is no easy answer and there is no one answer. Like every complicated problem, more than one factor went into causing it, so more than one solution will be needed to solve it. Every tragedy involving guns that happens in the US is greeted immediately with a chorus of, Its too soon to talk about it. Followed by, You have an agenda
and its too soon, then a few weeks later
its too late on to the next tragedy. And nothing changes. Tragedy, after tragedy, after tragedy. The truth is we needed to have this national dialogue years ago. This time we cant let it be put off. But we should have a few ground rules.
No fanatics, liars or simpletons should be allowed in the discussion. And they certainly shouldnt be allowed to run it. Fanatics cannot accept a fact that doesnt fit their worldview, and simpletons cant understand them. Liars are just, well, liars. This has to happen with serious adults that can act as least as mature as a seven-year-old child told there is no Santa Clause.
One cannot solve a real world problem with partial or fantasy remedies. Fanatics get irate when anything contradicting their pet beliefs are challenged in any way. They yell, scream, insult, attack with ad hominems and demand that their issue be off the table. Its sacrosanct. So important information needed to solve a problem is left out of the discussion. Hence, the problem cant be solved. Guns are off the table when talking about gun violence? Really? It has NOTHING to do with it?
Simpletons also need to be ignored from now on. When ones answer to a mass shooting in a crowded theater, is to have everybody armed, youre not thinking things through. Grow the hell up! Youre not Rambo, John Wayne or Dirty Harry. Professional soldiers kill people on their own side in every war. Trained police sometimes end up killing more innocent people than the criminals they were trying to stop during a shootout. And these are professionals who do this for a living and have trained together. But if forty wannabe Rambos who have never met each other, never mind trained together, stood up in that theater in Aurora, Colorado and started shooting
well, everything would have worked out great!
There is some crossover between simpletons and liars in some examples, but at the very least, these types of arguments hold in common one major theme theyre insulting. You can kill someone with a pencil, too. Or Lots of things can kill people, a knife, or whatever. Why should logical adults have to explain to supposed adults the differences between a pencil and a automatic weapon? People who make that, and similar arguments can only drag the conversation down to ridiculous, childish and time wasting levels. They should be allowed back into the conversation when they have learned to think and can bring something useful to the table if we are ever to have any hope of solving this.
Dont like this and think its too hard on some? Anger you, or hurt your feelings? Tough shit. Because this will keep happening if your feelings keep taking precedence over others lives. Innocent children dying are a tragedy that hopefully will never happen again. There are no guaranties, but doing nothing is the worst possible course of action. (Or inaction, as the case may be.)
I dont know what the answers are, but I do know we need to talk about all the factors like adults do when they want to solve a problem. All aspects should be discussed, honestly. Health care, mental health clinics, training, cultural awareness, education, and even gun control. Everyone that is not completely crazy believes in some form of gun control. No one wants the criminally insane to have access to Stinger missiles. So different people draw lines in different places. Why cant we talk about where that line should be drawn, like adults?