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In reply to the discussion: Meet the Predators (men need to learn how to recognize and fight rape culture) [View all]The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)256. I am serious. Rape is illegal.
I have friends who joke about murder. I laugh and joke with them. None of my friends joke about rape, because if they do, they are not my friends. When some of my friends talk seriously about 'rape fantasies', I listen, but I do not judge their own acknowledgement of their human nature. [font color=white] Here's the fun part where you assume that ANY of those friends were men.[/font]
Your ignorance of who and what I am, your sanctimonious finger-pointing, and your insulting suggestion that I somehow tolerate rape, rape jokes or suggestions tells me only about you, and no one anything about me.
I get that there are things that should not be made light of. I can't protect anyone, much less all women from thought crimes.
So I'll try the question again: 'What part of human culture must we do away with to prevent rape?"
While thinking it over, try and realize that we're still talking about symptoms, not causes.
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redqueen
Nov 2012
OP
I could say 'the ubiquitous aspects of human culture which enable rapists and the epidemic of
redqueen
Nov 2012
#13
It's about their ego.... So much so they need to deny the reality and the import
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#60
Partly true. 92-96% of men are heavily invested in the fact that they're not rapists.
lumberjack_jeff
Dec 2012
#180
so much so, they absolutely refuse to listen or to help women out, I know. So sad their egos get the
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#214
i do not define myself as a gender and love so many of them men on du.... and i dont stay out of the
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#199
Actually it is "culture" because acceptable sexism and "rights of women" or lack there of...
vaberella
Dec 2012
#143
So you're using examples from decades in the past to describe the present?
The Doctor.
Dec 2012
#270
"The rapists can’t be your friends, and..." That is where this runs off the tracks.
ieoeja
Nov 2012
#22
Sorry, but most men have literally ZERO to do with this "rape culture" of which the author speaks
TeamsterDem
Nov 2012
#27
haha speaking of bruised egos and what not, might wanna reread your frothing response
TeamsterDem
Nov 2012
#30
It is in the fucking OP: 4-8% of men are responsible for the vast majority of rapes. nt
redqueen
Nov 2012
#36
Yeah. How dare we consider the epidemic levels of sexual violene as more important
redqueen
Nov 2012
#40
Ah, so you've never PERSONALLY done the things you claim to know so well, then
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#92
Please point me to my quote where I said it's not my problem. If you can't, admit you're lying
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#176
Oh my sweet Jesus, just when I thought you couldn't possibly get any dumber you went and did
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#204
I'm not calling you a liar. I just said your account of things seemed overly defensive.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#139
Do you have difficulty reading written words? You keep saying I said something that I didn't
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#65
The OP also says "men need lessons" as if we're a bunch of idiots who don't know already that rape
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#77
Well if you really want to be honest about the world, you can't always use perfectly polite language
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#108
You claim you purposely avoid awful misogynist men-also that you've never seen or heard misogynist
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#172
No, I said I avoid types which might turn out to be bad acquaintances later on
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#175
you jumped the shark a while ago. but you go double down if your ego needs it so badly.
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#179
As I don't buy your pompous judgments of others, nor will I cede an argument I believe in
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#184
wow, thanks for allowing me to have my own opinion without the threat of PM stalking, LOL.
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#190
Does that pass for wit in your circles? Or is it pretty much seen as every bit as pathetic as it is
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#194
No, you're engaging in stereotyping by supporting someone who said "men need education"
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#45
You claim you're completely ignorant that misogynistic behavior happens, but are
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#53
Sometimes I think DU's biggest problem of all, is people's compulsive need to engage in sophistry.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#83
It most certainly IS NOT the culture despite the fact that unfortunately it does happen
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#215
DERP-you think there's just one single culture of men out there? Every school,company,neighborhood
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#237
For reference, I didn't call you childish because you're female, I did so because it's the truth
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#123
I didn't make the topic about males, the OP did that by saying "men need to learn"
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#137
I wouldn't call you a misogynist, but you do seem to be belittling the subject of misogyny.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#135
Show me one example where I stereotyped anyone or put words in their mouths
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#141
I think the point is you've been SEVERELY OVERREACTING this whole time.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#133
Ahh yes, everyone who takes offense at being stereotyped is always overreacting and emotional
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#170
The point is you threw a fit about "stereotyping" in the midst of a thread
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#151
No, in a thread about men's attitudes towards rape I both gave my own attitude
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#156
Your *whole argument* is a strawman. Again, *no one* on this thread is lumping all men together
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#159
"men need to learn" with reference to not supporting rape is the very definition
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#164
"Stow the attitude"? Considering what she just described, that's a really self-centered post.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#122
I didn't cause their suffering or misfortune, thus I don't deserve the attitude for it
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#128
It just wasn't the thing to say right at that moment. Came off as insensitive.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#160
Tough. I don't owe anyone niceties or sensitivity. I do owe them the truth and that's what I've
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#167
The truth about an ex frat boy marine who's heard nary a misogynist word spoken his whole life?
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#174
LOL, your reply is about how you successfully stereotype people who "look" misogynist? Ha ha.
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#181
Uh, making judgments about who you want to be friends with based on their attitudes
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#185
Human behavior isn't divided into black-and-white categories. It's a CONTIUUM.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#79
"Who said I was 'squeaky clean'"? You just gave an exaggerated impression of such, that's all.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#99
Uh, saying I haven't hung around with rapists is hardly giving an impression of prudishness
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#114
Yes, it is serious. Your taxonomy of the degrees of offense doesn't diminish what others feel
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#134
How is being "stereotyped" anywhere near as serious as being fucking RAPED???
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#153
Maybe not such an unreasonable post, but it comes off as awfully self-centered.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#74
The holier-than-thou part was intentional as I find it holier-than-thou that
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#78
Again, why so defensive? It seems completely out proportion to any potential harm done you.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#110
You just contradicted yourself. Either this stuff is serious and important, or it's not.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#157
Man you're either dim or intentionally obtuse to a degree I've never seen before
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#166
and either he's seen not one bit of misogyny in his whole life, or he's worked to avoid associating
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#177
If you're not saying majority then stop using the universal word "men" which means all of them
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#47
It's not so much about you. More about the poster who took over this whole thread
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#158
It wasn't in reference to that particular post, rather to the broader theme
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#70
i have often found your "rape culture" posts to be accusatory and offensive
arely staircase
Nov 2012
#37
Not as petty as some of the responses on this thread (not necessarily yours). Just saying...
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#105
I'm beginning to think you are right too.... One warning sign it took me a while to learn
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#240
We have rape culture proponents right here at DU, men who post stuff like this:
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#260
After reading this op and the responses I find myself thinking of what happens when
retread
Dec 2012
#121
People insisting upon fair treatment are often "cacophonous" and seen as "rigid"
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#196
I agree. That would be more than fair, it'd be human. And about past time that they do, too. nt
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#205
it makes me think of my cousin, I remember how he'd have people wincing with some of the nasty shit
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#230
but you see, many guys will argue that the pocket of culture you stumbled upon doesn't exist at all
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#226
One male 'genius' on DU said since he didn't personally think that women felt any more fear than men
redqueen
Dec 2012
#208
Family is tricky. I'd base my reactions around his current situation. Is he still having exploitive
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#241
yep, assholes drag everyone into their messy lives one way or another if you let them
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#248
One thing I'd ask, don't women have just as much of a responsibility to combat it too?
Hippo_Tron
Dec 2012
#263