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kentuck

(111,103 posts)
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:06 PM Nov 2012

How did American companies get tax breaks for moving jobs overseas? [View all]

Wasn't that a royal screwing of the American people?

If we traced our present economic problems back to its roots, we will probably find that they began with the free trade treaties. We were led to believe that getting everything produced overseas would somehow help the workers of this country? Were we morons or what??

The most obvious consequence of these trade treaties was that it drove the price of labor down in this nation. It drove the profits up of those that chose to make their products in China and elsewhere. And the biggest problem we face at this time is not necessarily the debt we owe these nations because we do not have the tax base to pay for our programs anymore, but rather, the impact it has had on jobs and wages. Something has to change.

We have become a nation for the few, rather than the many. We all must now sacrifice for the good of the top 1%, the so-called "job creators". They are not job creators but capitalist profiteers. More than 60% of all jobs created in this country are by smaller businesses. The top 1-2% of income earners do not create jobs. Over 96% of them only create wealth for themselves. Something is wrong with this picture??

Under the guise of saving the SS system, FICA taxes were raised on workers wages during the "big fix" of Social Security by Ronald Reagan. The wealthy were content to let the workers pay for all the programs we needed, including a defense department with a voracious appetite. But, when companies were moving overseas and we were losing jobs here, the SS fund started to shrink. In kind, the deficits went up proportionally to the number of unemployed.

We have now come to a meeting of the minds. In less than a dozen years, we went from a balanced budget to over-whelming debt. There are so many loopholes nobody can count them. We have a useless, and mostly destructive Congress to block anything that might be proposed. We have really screwed the pooch with this Congress.

So the decision is ours. Do we want a country for the few or do we want a country for the many? The time is now to make that decision. We hope the Democratic Party will be up to the task? But many of us have our doubts. Nobody seems ready to tackle these problems?

I hate to sound too negative but that is the way I see it...

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Senator Wellstone, Paul. RIP RobertEarl Nov 2012 #1
Well, Bill Clinton pushed NAFTA, and signed it gladly. loudsue Nov 2012 #24
He was opposed to it originally, but when he realized it was going to pass anyway Samantha Nov 2012 #39
He was for it even during the presidential campaign naaman fletcher Nov 2012 #40
Not saying this is your position but I always wondered if those against free trade True Earthling Nov 2012 #2
I don't see that connection in the same way? kentuck Nov 2012 #3
Europe has free trade and open immigration and is much more progressive than the US with pampango Nov 2012 #5
Do countries such femrap Nov 2012 #7
Germany and France do not give tax breaks to companies that off-shore manufacturing, but pampango Nov 2012 #25
Europe has freer trade and immigration within the EU 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #13
European countries have more 'free trade' than the US, including with Mexico, Columbia, Egypt, Peru, pampango Nov 2012 #26
I think 'stronger unions' are the key ProfessionalLeftist Nov 2012 #19
Agreed. Germany is proof that strong unions and high wages are not incompatible with a strong pampango Nov 2012 #29
As someone that wants to emigrate, let me assure you that Europe does not have anything like Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #35
Each European country has open immigration with 26 other countries. pampango Nov 2012 #41
And we're all free to move to 49 other states, hardly the description of open immigration. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #42
There is NO "free trade". These trade agreements are designed to promote corporate profits. AdHocSolver Nov 2012 #9
It's easy to be against free trade and for immigration. JoeyT Nov 2012 #10
I think many of the Free Traders, the top 1%, aren't anti-immigration. LeftInTX Nov 2012 #18
"free trade" is SUCH a misnomer. It is actually only "free capital". annabanana Nov 2012 #34
Concise, accurate summary, as I see it. (Edit: image added) OneGrassRoot Nov 2012 #4
Ask Clinton Ironblood Nov 2012 #6
Bill femrap Nov 2012 #8
GATT has been around since 1948. It was negotiated by FDR and signed under Truman. The WTO replaced pampango Nov 2012 #31
Actually, It was a Bit Different than Your Explanation mckara Nov 2012 #11
Blame this man: gollygee Nov 2012 #12
they don't get a tax break for moving jobs overseas per se La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2012 #14
They don't have to pay US taxes on overseas profits unless they move the money HiPointDem Nov 2012 #30
Well, Ross Perot Dan Nov 2012 #15
Unwillingness to tackle the problems would be an upgrade in circumstances TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #16
It's not even small businesses that "create" jobs. obxhead Nov 2012 #17
Demand starts the process of creating jobs.... underoath Nov 2012 #20
You just confirmed exactly what I said. obxhead Nov 2012 #23
Thanks! underoath Nov 2012 #27
Tough doesn't even really begin to describe it. obxhead Nov 2012 #32
We're a nation that is unable to manufacture goods to meet its own consumer demand. Selatius Nov 2012 #43
The foreign policy / national security establishment will screw both labor and corporations FarCenter Nov 2012 #21
I hope Pres Obama can do something about it. LeftInTX Nov 2012 #22
They don't get a tax break "for" Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #28
For or when obxhead Nov 2012 #33
Words are not irrelevant Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #36
Right obxhead Nov 2012 #37
Dwight Eisenhower warned us about this in his farewell address. Initech Nov 2012 #38
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