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In the discussion thread: "I've started telling my daughters I'm beautiful" [View all]

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:47 PM

Laelth (13,434 posts)

58. I hear you, but 30% body fat is hardly anorexic.

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And if you review GreenStormCloud's posts above, you will find that he notes (following the research of numerous scientists) that men seem to be most attracted to women whose weight is composed of 30% fat.

Yes, anorexia is bad. Eating disorders are bad. The culture of cosmetic surgery is bad, but it also seems true, to me, that men are most sexually-attracted to women whose weight is composed of approximately 30% fat. And this is so for solid, biologically-driven fertility reasons, as noted by many scientists and as relayed by GreenStormCloud above. In addition, I would note that the ideal of beauty described in the OP is a social construct, just as much as the one that says women need to be anorexic in order to be beautiful. I agree with you that the social construct conveyed by the OP is healthier than the one purveyed by Hollywood.

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75 replies	Author	Time	Post
"I've started telling my daughters I'm beautiful" [View all]	ehrnst	Nov 2012	OP
that is lovely. Thank you	liberal_at_heart	Nov 2012	#1
lovely.	one_voice	Nov 2012	#2
My daughter asked once why I had stripes on my forehead	abelenkpe	Nov 2012	#3
Hah! I like that. "Stripes."	Arugula Latte	Nov 2012	#5
K&R!!	felix_numinous	Nov 2012	#4
What we commonly consider beauty in women are signs of fertility.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#6
well then I think evolution may have gotten it wrong this time	liberal_at_heart	Nov 2012	#7
Your argument is with science, not with me.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#8
there have been plenty of times during history when heavy women were considered sexy	liberal_at_heart	Nov 2012	#9
Those were class signs of higher status.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#13
What a bunch of crap	liberal_at_heart	Nov 2012	#14
Your argument is with science, not with me.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#17
Citing a few "facts"	MadrasT	Nov 2012	#27
There isn't enough room to write a book here.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#31
The article is about how a woman is showing her daughters how to see themselves	ehrnst	Nov 2012	#38
Then please explain why this 53-year-old - well past fertility aged - woman	Tsiyu	Nov 2012	#39
Umm, that was China, not Japan. nt	Bonobo	Nov 2012	#26
Whatever.	HappyMe	Nov 2012	#11
Marilyn Monroe and Sophia Loren come to mind	lunamagica	Nov 2012	#60
Way to miss the point.	Brickbat	Nov 2012	#10
I know, right?	liberal_at_heart	Nov 2012	#12
I'm old and fat. I don't try to convince myself that I am handsome.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#15
on ignore, bye bye	liberal_at_heart	Nov 2012	#16
Just like the Creationists who reject science. N/T	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#18
Your science	cate94	Nov 2012	#21
A self-perception that is at odds with reality is a delusion.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#24
Your idea of beauty is extrememly distorted	cate94	Nov 2012	#32
The mom isn't saying "I can win a beauty contest" She's saying, "I'm beautiful"	ehrnst	Nov 2012	#56
Yes!!!! (nt)	ehrnst	Nov 2012	#40
Oh gee, we're being told this again	treestar	Nov 2012	#25
Yes. I am old and fat and had a vascetomy.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#28
And so should women.	treestar	Nov 2012	#49
Spot on. On course, many people don't want to hear this argument.	Laelth	Nov 2012	#34
But the point of the article is about how women view themselves, despite society	ehrnst	Nov 2012	#37
Indeed. That is the point of the article.	Laelth	Nov 2012	#47
The anorexic-14 year-old beauty esthetic of magazines and Hollywood	ehrnst	Nov 2012	#55
I hear you, but 30% body fat is hardly anorexic.	Laelth	Nov 2012	#58
It's how men wish it to be	treestar	Nov 2012	#50
Oh, it's funny how money seems to make up for a lack of looks with some people.	Arugula Latte	Nov 2012	#52
If those people want to make that sacrifice	treestar	Nov 2012	#61
I think the science shows that women are sexually attracted ...	Laelth	Nov 2012	#59
You're telling women what they want and what they are attracted to	treestar	Nov 2012	#62
I'm telling women what they want?	Laelth	Nov 2012	#71
The third paragraph is practically insane	treestar	Nov 2012	#75
This post is far from scientifically correct. See post #66	antigone382	Nov 2012	#67
Thanks for pointing me to your post below.	Laelth	Nov 2012	#72
Well he doesn't actually reference specific science.	antigone382	Nov 2012	#73
Yes, but this article is about the way the women should be shown to see themselves	ehrnst	Nov 2012	#36
I get what you're saying about evolution (while missing the point of the piece), but	Arugula Latte	Nov 2012	#51
I guess my program was cancelled.	Smarmie Doofus	Nov 2012	#54
The problem with this theory is that there's no universal standard for beauty	Major Nikon	Nov 2012	#63
Also cultural, psychological and market influences...	LanternWaste	Nov 2012	#65
Beauty ideals are very profoundly affected by culture.	antigone382	Nov 2012	#66
Hey! You're beautiful!	Tsiyu	Nov 2012	#69
I embrace my age. It took me a long time to get here. Every night I go to bed I pray	southernyankeebelle	Nov 2012	#19
Isn't it great to have a husband who adores you?	liberal_at_heart	Nov 2012	#20
Oh yes it is especially the way things are today. I watched the Housewives shows and you	southernyankeebelle	Nov 2012	#45
My wife embraces her age and I adore her for it.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#23
Then why the hell did you feel the need to come one this thread and lecture?	Tsiyu	Nov 2012	#41
The thread is trying to use beauty as a measure.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#42
What?	Tsiyu	Nov 2012	#43
But beauty is not the purely scientific thing you make it out to be.	antigone382	Nov 2012	#68
You are just like my husband. I'm lucky because he is 7 yrs young than I. I love him	southernyankeebelle	Nov 2012	#44
K & R	cate94	Nov 2012	#22
Most men go through their entire lives without being told they are beautiful	Bonobo	Nov 2012	#29
I tell my husband he's handsome at least 3 - 4 times a week....	a kennedy	Nov 2012	#33
Well I have a husband who has gotten better looking with age. I tell him always how	southernyankeebelle	Nov 2012	#46
I love what you said about getting older there is just something that	liberal_at_heart	Nov 2012	#48
You know we all need to feel appreciated. Your husband is lucky and he is lucky to have	southernyankeebelle	Nov 2012	#64
True. n/t	Smarmie Doofus	Nov 2012	#53
I tell myself that all the time	Major Nikon	Nov 2012	#70
+1, e.	Mc Mike	Nov 2012	#30
I love and depend on DU, but...	Shanti Mama	Nov 2012	#35
+a jillion	BlancheSplanchnik	Nov 2012	#74
+100000000!	prefunk	Nov 2012	#57

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