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That was more heat than light, yes? Insulting your fellow progressives with such venom and vitriol convinces no one of anything save that you are in a near-incoherent rage over lefties-more-left-than-you-are putting pressure on the administration to defend certain much-attacked social programs.
Let me try enumerating ten points, as civilly and courteously and cogently as I can:
1.) This presidentwhom I very much like and admire, by the wayhas a history of uttering soaring populist/progressive rhetoric during campaigns and then governing from a center-right political perspective/stance.
2.) President Obama has proposed that a so-called Grand Bargain include $4 trillion in savings. Thats a ratio of $3 in spending cuts to $1 in tax increases
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3.) If you let the Bush tax cuts expire for people making over $250,000, you already have $1 trillion in tax increases right there.
4.) President Obama has promised Corporate America a tax cut from 35% down to 28%, at the very time his administration is sounding the same-old, tired and discredited Shock Doctrine austerity rhetoric: shared sacrifice (when the past 30 years of wealth transfer to the richest 1% has been anything but); reasonable compromise; bi-partisanship; etc.
5.) Youll notice that I keep citing President Obama directly. Not vomit on the floor or some editorialist for CNBC or ungrounded speculation and rumor-mongering but . . . President Obama. Because thats who Im citing as a primary source. President Obama.
6.) There is a definite mood and building consensus in Washingtonboth pre-election and post-electionthat the responsible and reasonable thing to do will be to tighten our belts and pursue fiscally responsible, deficit-reduction policies that could result in actions such as the raising of the eligibility age for Medicare, Social Security, etc. True, nothing has been done yetbut reporter after politician after blogger after inside-the-Beltway witness has been talking about this grim, belt-tightening mood of consensus in Washington and communicating the fact of its existence to their various constituencies.
7.) Paul Krugmanthough proven right time and time again on the economy and the various actions taken by this administrationstill seems to get short-shrift from people who should know better. As he remarked to an interviewer recently: Im tried of being Cassandra; of being proved right after the fact. For once Id like to be listened to before economic disaster strikes. Paul Krugman regards with fear and alarm the very same outcomes you are ridiculing as preposterous and unthinkable. I hope, in this instance, that Krugmans unease is proven unfounded and the Wisdom and Insight of the Scootaloo is proven right. Time will tell . . .
8.) It is fundamentally dishonest, unfair and hurtful to signal in advance of tough negotiations that reductions in spending might be made at the expense of the working poor and much-stressed middle class. Question: Why doesnt President Obama make a clear and ringing statement to the effect that: Since SS adds not one single dollar to our deficit, any talk of SS reform is a non-starter. Why not take it off the table before negotiations even begin? Ill tell you whyI think you already knowbecause SS reform is very much on the table. This Democratic president may very well succeed to doing what no Republican has ever been able to accomplish: start to erode the cornerstone social policy achievement of FDRs administration. It is this possible outcomeamong othersthat have caused social leftists like myself to raise the alarm.
9.) Like it or not, this president does have a four-year track record. His accomplishments are legion (too many to enumerate again here) but he ALSO has a record of center-right negotiating and expressed contempt and/or irritation and/or disengagement from his progressive/liberal base. (The examples I could cite in support of this stance arelike his accomplishmentstoo many to again enumerate here. If youre as smart and informed as I think you areand as fair-mindedyou know very well what I mean.)
10.) So given all of this: the stakes at risk, President Obamas past record of negotiating (I dont think hes a poor negotiator; I think he gets exactly what he wants: a center-right outcome); the necessity and urgency for liberals to remain engaged and put leftward-leaning pressure on this administrationwhy WOULDNT progressives be up in arms over any hint of a sell-out or capitulation in advance of Fiscal Cliff talks?
I hope this missivethe first Ive ever posted to Democratic Undergroundcauses you to rethink and re-examine some of the contempt and vitriol you dumped on the heads of hard-fighting progressives who hold a different opinion than you do.
PS. And no, I am not a troll or a false concern care-bear or a lurker or any of the other group-think, self-congratulatory/semi-paranoid in-group/out-group monikers some members here enjoy hurling at people who disagree with their stated opinions. Im a working-class, 49-year-old, book-loving Chicago Democrat and political junkie who was so offended by your post that I was moved to write. For that, I thank you for getting me more directly involved in the discussion.
Let me try enumerating ten points, as civilly and courteously and cogently as I can:
1.) This presidentwhom I very much like and admire, by the wayhas a history of uttering soaring populist/progressive rhetoric during campaigns and then governing from a center-right political perspective/stance.
2.) President Obama has proposed that a so-called Grand Bargain include $4 trillion in savings. Thats a ratio of $3 in spending cuts to $1 in tax increases
.
3.) If you let the Bush tax cuts expire for people making over $250,000, you already have $1 trillion in tax increases right there.
4.) President Obama has promised Corporate America a tax cut from 35% down to 28%, at the very time his administration is sounding the same-old, tired and discredited Shock Doctrine austerity rhetoric: shared sacrifice (when the past 30 years of wealth transfer to the richest 1% has been anything but); reasonable compromise; bi-partisanship; etc.
5.) Youll notice that I keep citing President Obama directly. Not vomit on the floor or some editorialist for CNBC or ungrounded speculation and rumor-mongering but . . . President Obama. Because thats who Im citing as a primary source. President Obama.
6.) There is a definite mood and building consensus in Washingtonboth pre-election and post-electionthat the responsible and reasonable thing to do will be to tighten our belts and pursue fiscally responsible, deficit-reduction policies that could result in actions such as the raising of the eligibility age for Medicare, Social Security, etc. True, nothing has been done yetbut reporter after politician after blogger after inside-the-Beltway witness has been talking about this grim, belt-tightening mood of consensus in Washington and communicating the fact of its existence to their various constituencies.
7.) Paul Krugmanthough proven right time and time again on the economy and the various actions taken by this administrationstill seems to get short-shrift from people who should know better. As he remarked to an interviewer recently: Im tried of being Cassandra; of being proved right after the fact. For once Id like to be listened to before economic disaster strikes. Paul Krugman regards with fear and alarm the very same outcomes you are ridiculing as preposterous and unthinkable. I hope, in this instance, that Krugmans unease is proven unfounded and the Wisdom and Insight of the Scootaloo is proven right. Time will tell . . .
8.) It is fundamentally dishonest, unfair and hurtful to signal in advance of tough negotiations that reductions in spending might be made at the expense of the working poor and much-stressed middle class. Question: Why doesnt President Obama make a clear and ringing statement to the effect that: Since SS adds not one single dollar to our deficit, any talk of SS reform is a non-starter. Why not take it off the table before negotiations even begin? Ill tell you whyI think you already knowbecause SS reform is very much on the table. This Democratic president may very well succeed to doing what no Republican has ever been able to accomplish: start to erode the cornerstone social policy achievement of FDRs administration. It is this possible outcomeamong othersthat have caused social leftists like myself to raise the alarm.
9.) Like it or not, this president does have a four-year track record. His accomplishments are legion (too many to enumerate again here) but he ALSO has a record of center-right negotiating and expressed contempt and/or irritation and/or disengagement from his progressive/liberal base. (The examples I could cite in support of this stance arelike his accomplishmentstoo many to again enumerate here. If youre as smart and informed as I think you areand as fair-mindedyou know very well what I mean.)
10.) So given all of this: the stakes at risk, President Obamas past record of negotiating (I dont think hes a poor negotiator; I think he gets exactly what he wants: a center-right outcome); the necessity and urgency for liberals to remain engaged and put leftward-leaning pressure on this administrationwhy WOULDNT progressives be up in arms over any hint of a sell-out or capitulation in advance of Fiscal Cliff talks?
I hope this missivethe first Ive ever posted to Democratic Undergroundcauses you to rethink and re-examine some of the contempt and vitriol you dumped on the heads of hard-fighting progressives who hold a different opinion than you do.
PS. And no, I am not a troll or a false concern care-bear or a lurker or any of the other group-think, self-congratulatory/semi-paranoid in-group/out-group monikers some members here enjoy hurling at people who disagree with their stated opinions. Im a working-class, 49-year-old, book-loving Chicago Democrat and political junkie who was so offended by your post that I was moved to write. For that, I thank you for getting me more directly involved in the discussion.
Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1814069
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Oh Hell... I'll DU It... Please... Welcome A New Contributing Member To DU... cer7711 !!! [View all]
WillyT
Nov 2012
OP
Excellent post and expressing the opinion of almost every Democrat I have ever met.
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#3
"Center-right" is up there with "socialist" in terms of the dumbest terms used to describe him.
NYC Liberal
Nov 2012
#14
LBJ declared war on Poverty and FDR created Social Security, medicare, and won WW2
Sirveri
Nov 2012
#22