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garybeck

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26. I saw him say it about 25 times during the campaign. he didn't say "hike" but

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:33 PM

Nov 2012

he said we need to ask the rich folks to may more taxes (paraphrased) many many times.

every time he said that, he should have just pointed out that we need to return to the Clinton era tax schedule, when we had a growing economy and a budget surplus. and leave it at that.

when he says we need to raise taxes on the rich, it's like saying the tax rates have always been what they are and he wants to raise them for a group of people.

the important point is that we are just returning to what the taxes were in the 90s and it worked great back then.

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I'm sorry, Democrats are just horrible at framing issues. [View all] garybeck Nov 2012 OP

I don't mind hearing about a "tax hike" for the rich. Barack_America Nov 2012 #1

I don't mind it either. garybeck Nov 2012 #2

I want "End the Bush tax hollidays for the wealthy" RedCloud Nov 2012 #3

egg-zactly. n't garybeck Nov 2012 #6

+1000 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #13

The Obama campaign ran on calling it higher taxes for the rich justiceischeap Nov 2012 #4

I fail to understand why we as a party cannot put our COLGATE4 Nov 2012 #5

I agree. Dems just don't get what framing is. garybeck Nov 2012 #8

+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #15

A tax cut for everyone.... kentuck Nov 2012 #7

how about "welfare for millionaires"? nt msongs Nov 2012 #9

Too incendiary. "Fair Tax Rates for all" sounds more accurate and acceptable. nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #18

Restore the Pre-Bush tax rates on rich when we had a budget surplus. ErikJ Nov 2012 #10

I guess that's why we always lose elections. bemildred Nov 2012 #11

I'm with bemildred Ashened Nov 2012 #12

Imagine what Dems could accomplish.... 99Forever Nov 2012 #14

You assume your own conclusion. bemildred Nov 2012 #20

I guess you are more interested... 99Forever Nov 2012 #21

I think you are insulting Democrats with your hand-wringing twaddle. bemildred Nov 2012 #22

Yay for you! 99Forever Nov 2012 #23

Better discipline than great message no doubt in my mind. Not that the messages are horrible... uponit7771 Nov 2012 #28

I'm just looking for a little equity here. bemildred Nov 2012 #29

Good policy will only go so far Arcanetrance Nov 2012 #31

So how did we just kick their asses six ways from Sunday? bemildred Nov 2012 #32

Yes we just won Arcanetrance Nov 2012 #33

Can we "frame issues" or not? Can we admit the Pubbies are really bad at framing issues? bemildred Nov 2012 #34

As i said we just won Arcanetrance Nov 2012 #35

Do the Pubbies have a problem with long-term framing too, or is it just us? bemildred Nov 2012 #36

Honestly Arcanetrance Nov 2012 #37

OK, thanks. bemildred Nov 2012 #38

Fair tax rates should be the only words used. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #16

Tax Give-aways to the Rich demwing Nov 2012 #17

Do you have a quote where Obama calls it a "tax hike" ? KurtNYC Nov 2012 #19

I saw him say it about 25 times during the campaign. he didn't say "hike" but garybeck Nov 2012 #26

The dems won the election. They know how to frame issues just fine. n/t Politicub Nov 2012 #24

Bullseye. Thank You. (nt) Paladin Nov 2012 #30

End, or expire? Ruby the Liberal Nov 2012 #25

Looks like the GOP lost their framing mojo this election cycle... backscatter712 Nov 2012 #27

Yeah...it really back-fired on the President's reelection campaign, didn't it?.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #39