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In reply to the discussion: The CDC study on guns...shut down. [View all]booley
(3,855 posts)suicide is a mental health issue.
BUT it's also an issue with lethality.
In short, people who attempt suicide are more successful at their attempt if there's a gun available. That's probably why the military is telling families of soldiers with PTSD to remove guns from their homes.
Not surprising as guns are very lethal, quick and easy to use.
However in both cases what the CDC was studying was the health effects of having guns around. In both cases there is a commonality.
OF course there are other possible factors that could also be affecting gun deaths.
However the OPs contention that having a gun in the house increases the odds of a gun related injury/death and your contention that crime has gone down are not exclusive. Both can be true.
MY POINT was that it's not the anti gun "agenda that's the problem. It's the anti gun control agenda.
Fact is we can both say what we think is causing this or that and what can be done about it but without research, we are both just guessing. YOU don't know for sure and neither do I or anyone else on this forum.
We trust the CDC for every other issue involving health. "Until the word "guns" gets involved and suddenly the CDC and indeed any other researcher should not be believed if they say anything negative about fire arms.
Even if the CDC here had done a bad study, the remedy for that is to do MORE studies to make up the weaknesses of the first. Except in this case. Here, the anti gun control crowd just made researching this political suicide in general and for the CDC specifically.
Which is a weird thing to do if the facts were in their favor.
We can't come up with any "nuanced and effective" solutions if we ignore anything that contradicts what we want to believe.