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Eleanors38

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113. You might be interested in what the CDC said themselves about gun-control strategies:
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 03:24 PM
Oct 2012
http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20121001/EDITORIAL/121009979/1015

The CDC Task Force studying gun-control strategies (including John Lott's work that claimed more guns = less crime) issued this executive summary:

“The Task Force found insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws or combinations of laws reviewed on violent outcomes.”

Of course, the writer of this article can be keel-hauled because he is an NRA instructor. But you can find the CDC material on your own. So much for the "public health" model of gun-control.
+1. Hoyt Oct 2012 #1
It must be rough only getting to troll the occasional GD gun related thread NT Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #3
No, truthfully it's refreshing not posting to people who need a gun strapped Hoyt Oct 2012 #9
Actually fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #13
How odd. I don't see the government trying to interfere with D.U. anywhere. PavePusher Oct 2012 #65
You got lucky. A jury voted 3-3 on what is clearly and only a personal attack Electric Monk Oct 2012 #25
Had the post been hidden it would have made a grand total of 2 Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #37
whatever. Your post above makes DU suck. Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #132
That is of course your opinion and you are entitled to it. Good day NT Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #174
+1000!! G_j Oct 2012 #200
And there you have it. Just Romney-around enough, you'll get your way... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #89
So you accuse a long time member of trolling Kingofalldems Oct 2012 #33
No, when the 'king of all trolls' accuses other of trolling it must be a slow day in the gun forum DainBramaged Oct 2012 #55
Check out the history of this Forum/group.nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #90
Oh so a high post count protects you? Missycim Oct 2012 #206
Trolling has one meaning in DU Kingofalldems Oct 2012 #214
Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #216
Speaking of trolls SecularMotion Oct 2012 #222
So you think it's ok to try and intimidate others in GD? DainBramaged Oct 2012 #42
Wow. If you think that is "intimidation", you've led a very sheltered life. PavePusher Oct 2012 #66
I would suggest same for those who have to strap a gun or two on to venture into public. Hoyt Oct 2012 #77
Wharfgarble. What fun!! n/t PavePusher Oct 2012 #96
Do you think there's a market for adult diapers equipped with holsters? Scootaloo Oct 2012 #112
I am required to "strap a gun on" to go to work every day Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #121
When you are not working, whatayoudo with your guns? Hoyt Oct 2012 #177
First I have to clarify that when I'm done working I'm usually home for the day Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #185
How's that working out for you, Trunk Monkey? Scootaloo Oct 2012 #101
I've seen that dog all over with your posts... Lightbulb_on Oct 2012 #147
It's not a dog! Scootaloo Oct 2012 #164
I dunno... Lightbulb_on Oct 2012 #167
My jimmies are unrustled n/t Scootaloo Oct 2012 #169
Sane account! K&R burrowowl Oct 2012 #2
There's needs to be laws passed that make assault , suicide and violence against other people illegal former-republican Oct 2012 #4
Why should Suicide be illegal? Taverner Oct 2012 #224
So if guns are such a public health threat hack89 Oct 2012 #5
You have no business posting in this thread former-republican Oct 2012 #6
Hogwash fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #14
Wrong hack89 Oct 2012 #30
And there is your confusion: murder rates are not total firearm related deaths. Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #83
Gun deaths are down in absolute numbers too hack89 Oct 2012 #105
you are talking about crime stats. The CDC numbers are not the same at all. Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #130
It is really two separate problems. hack89 Oct 2012 #139
The post specifically says that the odds of being murdered hack89 Oct 2012 #142
Math is hard. AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #184
Always a logic fail with you bongbong Oct 2012 #201
Feel free to provide some evidence. nt hack89 Oct 2012 #202
LOL bongbong Oct 2012 #203
So if gun ownership has steadily dropped for 30 years hack89 Oct 2012 #204
Strawman alert! bongbong Oct 2012 #208
Either gun ownership went up or it went down. What is it? nt hack89 Oct 2012 #211
Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993 hack89 Oct 2012 #205
Thanks! bongbong Oct 2012 #207
It dropped to 40% in 1995 and continued to increase for 17 years. hack89 Oct 2012 #210
LOL bongbong Oct 2012 #215
"Gun-involved homicides have increased since falling to a low in 1999" Coexist Oct 2012 #175
I posted stats from 1992 through 2010 hack89 Oct 2012 #188
Gun-involved homicides or homicides over all? NT Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #36
It means more deaths of amongst households that own guns intaglio Oct 2012 #17
got evidence? eqfan592 Oct 2012 #19
An Explanation for Everything fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #26
So what is your solution? nt hack89 Oct 2012 #34
But with more household having guns hack89 Oct 2012 #31
Maybe it has to do with more trauma centers and better trauma surgeons. Crunchy Frog Oct 2012 #49
But non-fatal shootings and accidents are tracked too - and they are down. hack89 Oct 2012 #53
suicides iamthebandfanman Oct 2012 #23
But access to guns does not mean higher sucide rates hack89 Oct 2012 #32
Is it wrong that people have a quick and easy way to kill themselves? 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #106
Still spouting the same old RW propaganda bullshit, I see. baldguy Oct 2012 #60
Do you disagree that gun violence and deaths have significantly declined in the past 30 years? hack89 Oct 2012 #61
Crime stats are not the issue here. Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #84
So we have a public health issue with a declining mortality rate hack89 Oct 2012 #111
Right: "30,000 gun deaths each year isn't a crisis." That's the GOP talking, of course. baldguy Oct 2012 #117
Suicides are a mental health problem hack89 Oct 2012 #191
Might be even less had we said "No" decades ago to those who believe more guns, in more places, Hoyt Oct 2012 #186
And in another decade the rates of gun violence will be even lower. hack89 Oct 2012 #189
Maybe, maybe not. Certainly the rate will be higher than it needs to be. Hoyt Oct 2012 #192
There are good reasons the gun control movement is dead in America hack89 Oct 2012 #193
Support for gun control is soft because it's been endlessly propagandized by the RW for 40 yrs. baldguy Oct 2012 #217
40 percent of Dems own guns hack89 Oct 2012 #218
Gun deaths have not plummeted. They remain at around 30000 annually. Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #80
Gun deaths due to murder and manslaughter have been halved hack89 Oct 2012 #109
yes you keep repeating that the murder rate is down. Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #128
Suicides are a mental health problem hack89 Oct 2012 #135
But if the odds of.murder or suicide increase with guns hack89 Oct 2012 #144
That, sir or madam, is Crimethink. Zalatix Oct 2012 #82
The issue of "assault rifles" has been discussed numerous times in this forum. Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #104
Excellent points. Zalatix Oct 2012 #127
There is an urban myth, with considerable truth to it, that cops are chronically... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #136
What are they doing to research better flash-bangs and non(er, less than?)-lethal weapons? Zalatix Oct 2012 #143
When crime goes up the answer is clear: too many guns. More guns = more crime! 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #110
are there no other factors? booley Oct 2012 #151
But there are two seperate and distinct issues here. hack89 Oct 2012 #190
yes and no booley Oct 2012 #220
Um, evidently you haven't checked the stats in Seattle lately. countryjake Oct 2012 #153
I rather look at the annual FBI crime reports hack89 Oct 2012 #166
National "facts" aside, your statement simply isn't true up here in the PNW... countryjake Oct 2012 #212
Your first problem then is your state constitution. hack89 Oct 2012 #213
knr... spanone Oct 2012 #7
I don't agree with this study Heather MC Oct 2012 #8
Agree - but lethal weapons embolden some folks. Georgie Zimmernan is good example. Hoyt Oct 2012 #10
i know right? iamthebandfanman Oct 2012 #16
It's not. sarcasm fail on your part. nt eqfan592 Oct 2012 #20
My garden would look terrible iamthebandfanman Oct 2012 #22
guns are people my friend! Heather MC Oct 2012 #51
Jeez, my gun is defective. Hasn't killed anyone in 50+ years.nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #100
And Yet fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #27
No wonder we have no real action on gun control. Jkid Oct 2012 #11
That's a big part of it. The other part is that NRA's leadership - including Grover Norquist, John Hoyt Oct 2012 #40
People who have guns will fight to keep them krispos42 Oct 2012 #48
If I have more than 30 firearms in my home how likely am I AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author former-republican Oct 2012 #18
Fact Remains fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #28
increases the risk of SUCCESSFUL suicide perhaps. AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #29
Shall we look at that math again hack89 Oct 2012 #198
There are people who smoke a pack a day their entire lives and never get lung cancer. Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #133
One pack huh? AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #181
So interesting, I was actually considering buying a rifle Tumbulu Oct 2012 #15
I love this story. n/t FourScore Oct 2012 #21
thanks (nt) Tumbulu Oct 2012 #24
Well yeah... you'd have to actually take it out of your storage location.... PavePusher Oct 2012 #67
No, Just You Being Pissed At The Lack Of Gun Play. Paladin Oct 2012 #71
Ummm... whatever, buddy. PavePusher Oct 2012 #94
The point being that it takes time to go get the rifle, unlock it Tumbulu Oct 2012 #141
Probably a good solution for you. I have several firearms, locked up to prevent Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #102
du rec. nt xchrom Oct 2012 #35
People with bongs in the house are ten times as likely to get high... k2qb3 Oct 2012 #38
LOL! I think you caught the massive flaw in these "studies." nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #97
Looking at the responses in this thread .... etherealtruth Oct 2012 #39
The door to hell opened when 'guns are bad' was written...... DainBramaged Oct 2012 #46
Anytime one proposes a law -- especially a ban -- they must show how such action will resolve... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #114
You might be interested in what the CDC said themselves about gun-control strategies: Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #113
Booze, tobacco, meth, heroin, etc kills hundreds of thousands Ya Basta Oct 2012 #41
If I or my family members can get hit by a stray bullet Crunchy Frog Oct 2012 #50
If you have not been harmed you have not been harmed Ya Basta Oct 2012 #57
Well played. Not that it will do any good where prohibition is concerned. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #115
Completely, absolutely wrong. Zoeisright Oct 2012 #54
With that logic then your car threatens my life Ya Basta Oct 2012 #56
And it's silly you need a gun everywhere DainBramaged Oct 2012 #148
The only guns that threaten your life glacierbay Oct 2012 #58
Most of the mass killers where rawtribe Oct 2012 #81
No shit glacierbay Oct 2012 #85
NO rawtribe Oct 2012 #92
Bwaaaahahahahha! PavePusher Oct 2012 #98
I had to take drivers ed rawtribe Oct 2012 #107
"I had to take drivers ed"... Was this a legal requirement of your state? PavePusher Oct 2012 #146
Are you saying all my guns are broken? AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #183
I only need to license a car if I operate it on public roads. AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #182
Believe It Or Not, That's Not Very Persuasive. (nt) Paladin Oct 2012 #187
Why not? I have a license to carry a firearm in public. AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #197
So I would get a license that is good in every state? hack89 Oct 2012 #194
No they anti-choice crowd won't take that flawed Missycim Oct 2012 #209
Sorry, but corrections to your post are in order: Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #118
Thank the Supreme Court for strengthening the influence of special interests on our government. n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #43
We don't need to spend money on frivolous studies to prove that dangerous weapons are dangerous slackmaster Oct 2012 #44
Those who speak out against this OP do not believe in the 1st amendment but otherwise DainBramaged Oct 2012 #45
Because guns are a natural part of the human anatomy that you are born with Crunchy Frog Oct 2012 #52
"Those who speak out against this OP do not believe in the 1st amendment"?!?! PavePusher Oct 2012 #68
Yeah, I felt that thought slip like an old Hydramatic.nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #119
Guns are not a leading cause of death krispos42 Oct 2012 #47
Take a look at this Mother Jones article about mass killings. GoneOffShore Oct 2012 #59
And most of those shootings happened in gun free zones glacierbay Oct 2012 #62
Missing the point aren't you? GoneOffShore Oct 2012 #63
Not at all glacierbay Oct 2012 #64
Yup yup uhuh yeppers who haw yee haw get the guns boyz we're going out to the movies DainBramaged Oct 2012 #72
Ummmmmm glacierbay Oct 2012 #76
I don't care who you are. DainBramaged Oct 2012 #78
That seems to be your M.O. glacierbay Oct 2012 #86
I don't care that you think that way DainBramaged Oct 2012 #87
You must really think you're insulting me. glacierbay Oct 2012 #93
More fanciful construction, eh? -- Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #123
Interesting how they rest their case on only two data points. PavePusher Oct 2012 #69
Big problem with this outlook, respectfully... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #120
Well, think of it this way... krispos42 Oct 2012 #163
Roughly 2/3 of all murders are by guns in the US. Whovian Oct 2012 #138
You are talking to the deaf through a sunscreen DainBramaged Oct 2012 #152
I know and sigh that the gun industry has absorbed so many into their thinking. Whovian Oct 2012 #154
Back in the day, when I was a kid, people had rifles and shotguns for hunting DainBramaged Oct 2012 #155
Salient points. Whovian Oct 2012 #156
Offender use of firearms (telling statistic) DainBramaged Oct 2012 #157
So what new laws would you propose to elimanate this problem? oneshooter Oct 2012 #170
I doubt you would care for my suggestion. Whovian Oct 2012 #179
Why do I have to propose shit? DainBramaged Oct 2012 #199
Interesting stats. Compared to Canada, the firearm homicide rate per 100,000 is less than 1/5 ... sl8 Oct 2012 #158
Marketing. nt Whovian Oct 2012 #160
The United States had over 25000 firearms deaths last year DainBramaged Oct 2012 #161
No, 2/3rds of all murders are WITH guns in the US krispos42 Oct 2012 #159
Guns as an instrument of murder or assault. In this case 2/3's of murderers decided on a gun. Whovian Oct 2012 #162
A certain percentage of the people that would use a gun would use something else. krispos42 Oct 2012 #178
If owning a gun doesn't protect you then why do police own them? Ya Basta Oct 2012 #70
That brings to mind a line from one of the Firesign Theatre albums... slackmaster Oct 2012 #73
If having a brain doesn't help people why do they have one? DainBramaged Oct 2012 #74
HA! DU's "Gungeon" is the best thing to happen to the Democratic Left... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #124
Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #75
Mr Polize man, this is DEMOCRATIC Underground, not Free Republic or the NRA blog DainBramaged Oct 2012 #79
Oh I get it glacierbay Oct 2012 #88
Oh Mr. Polize man don't gives me a tickets DainBramaged Oct 2012 #91
Now that's funny glacierbay Oct 2012 #95
Oh, he would be assured if Officer Blart answered 9-1-1 and answered: "Hold on... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #126
And thus the irony of posts 13 and 42 eludes you... PavePusher Oct 2012 #99
Sorry, but "we say" PRO-2A. And most of DU agrees. Got it? Hold onto it. Firmly. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #125
Who's "we"? DainBramaged Oct 2012 #134
We? DU, bud. Most here support 2A. BTW I've been told this a few times... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #149
Wow that guy actually believes that? Ya Basta Oct 2012 #165
Police are in more danger than other people treestar Oct 2012 #122
So you agree guns DO protect. Thanks Ya Basta Oct 2012 #168
Guns guns guns guns guns guns DainBramaged Oct 2012 #103
You do realize that the orange tip on those firearms glacierbay Oct 2012 #108
He stumbled drunkenly, like a robot, from the porta-John, trailing toilet paper before all.nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #129
You're doing nothing but living up to the promise of your screen name. Good luck with that. n/t PavePusher Oct 2012 #150
Ahhh right out of the right-wing strategy playbook Ya Basta Oct 2012 #171
airsoft , If you're going to do that get it right. former-republican Oct 2012 #172
Toy guns? LOL. nt hack89 Oct 2012 #195
The NRA has to bury the Truth and then Lie fascisthunter Oct 2012 #116
Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #131
So many low post defenders of the Second cause of death to the innocents DainBramaged Oct 2012 #137
HuffPo Blog piece on guns not locked in GD? Mon dieu. aikoaiko Oct 2012 #140
As I understand the law, funding requirements prohibit advocacy or promotion of gun control. aikoaiko Oct 2012 #145
It'll stop when the NRA members Ilsa Oct 2012 #173
That is a deranged statement to post. former-republican Oct 2012 #176
And where did I say I was hoping for that? Ilsa Oct 2012 #219
The insinuation/implication was quite clear. PavePusher Oct 2012 #223
You inferred it. I didn't imply my preferences. Ilsa Oct 2012 #225
What about the remaining 50 million gun owners who are not NRA members? hack89 Oct 2012 #196
Ahh the 'gunnium (Gi) attracts gunnium (Gi)' theory.. X_Digger Oct 2012 #180
GREAT DISCUSSION ABOUT CDC STORY AND GUNS fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #221
That hidden agenda I always smell. orpupilofnature57 Oct 2012 #226
I would go beyond what the poster asserts here (right or wrong).... Swede Atlanta Oct 2012 #227
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