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In the discussion thread: The CDC study on guns...shut down. [View all]

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 10:24 AM

Ya Basta (391 posts)

41. Booze, tobacco, meth, heroin, etc kills hundreds of thousands

But you know what? I am not familiar with any of them saving someone's life. But even if there were examples it doesn't matter. The reason is the same as with folks who own firearms. Its none of my fucking business. As long as someone is not harming someone else its none of my fucking business. If someone harms or threatens someone else, we already have plenty of laws to deal with that.

THAT is what America is. BUD your fucking nose out of other people's fucking business unless they harm someone.

If there's anyone who can't handle the concept of freedom or others living responsibly but in a manner they themselves don't like. Then perhaps they would be happier living in a different country where telling other people how to live is the national principle.

"security" the age old cry of the oppressor.

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The CDC study on guns...shut down. [View all]	FourScore	Oct 2012	OP
+1.	Hoyt	Oct 2012	#1
It must be rough only getting to troll the occasional GD gun related thread NT	Trunk Monkey	Oct 2012	#3
No, truthfully it's refreshing not posting to people who need a gun strapped	Hoyt	Oct 2012	#9
Actually	fightthegoodfightnow	Oct 2012	#13
How odd. I don't see the government trying to interfere with D.U. anywhere.	PavePusher	Oct 2012	#65
You got lucky. A jury voted 3-3 on what is clearly and only a personal attack	Electric Monk	Oct 2012	#25
Had the post been hidden it would have made a grand total of 2	Trunk Monkey	Oct 2012	#37
whatever. Your post above makes DU suck.	Warren Stupidity	Oct 2012	#132
That is of course your opinion and you are entitled to it. Good day NT	Trunk Monkey	Oct 2012	#174
+1000!!	G_j	Oct 2012	#200
And there you have it. Just Romney-around enough, you'll get your way...	Eleanors38	Oct 2012	#89
So you accuse a long time member of trolling	Kingofalldems	Oct 2012	#33
No, when the 'king of all trolls' accuses other of trolling it must be a slow day in the gun forum	DainBramaged	Oct 2012	#55
Check out the history of this Forum/group.nt	Eleanors38	Oct 2012	#90
Oh so a high post count protects you?	Missycim	Oct 2012	#206
Trolling has one meaning in DU	Kingofalldems	Oct 2012	#214
This post was hidden by jury decision.	Missycim	Oct 2012	#216
Speaking of trolls	SecularMotion	Oct 2012	#222
So you think it's ok to try and intimidate others in GD?	DainBramaged	Oct 2012	#42
Wow. If you think that is "intimidation", you've led a very sheltered life.	PavePusher	Oct 2012	#66
I would suggest same for those who have to strap a gun or two on to venture into public.	Hoyt	Oct 2012	#77
Wharfgarble. What fun!! n/t	PavePusher	Oct 2012	#96
Do you think there's a market for adult diapers equipped with holsters?	Scootaloo	Oct 2012	#112
I am required to "strap a gun on" to go to work every day	Trunk Monkey	Oct 2012	#121
When you are not working, whatayoudo with your guns?	Hoyt	Oct 2012	#177
First I have to clarify that when I'm done working I'm usually home for the day	Trunk Monkey	Oct 2012	#185
How's that working out for you, Trunk Monkey?	Scootaloo	Oct 2012	#101
I've seen that dog all over with your posts...	Lightbulb_on	Oct 2012	#147
It's not a dog!	Scootaloo	Oct 2012	#164
I dunno...	Lightbulb_on	Oct 2012	#167
My jimmies are unrustled n/t	Scootaloo	Oct 2012	#169
Sane account! K&R	burrowowl	Oct 2012	#2
There's needs to be laws passed that make assault , suicide and violence against other people illegal	former-republican	Oct 2012	#4
Why should Suicide be illegal?	Taverner	Oct 2012	#224
So if guns are such a public health threat	hack89	Oct 2012	#5
You have no business posting in this thread	former-republican	Oct 2012	#6
Hogwash	fightthegoodfightnow	Oct 2012	#14
Wrong	hack89	Oct 2012	#30
And there is your confusion: murder rates are not total firearm related deaths.	Warren Stupidity	Oct 2012	#83
Gun deaths are down in absolute numbers too	hack89	Oct 2012	#105
you are talking about crime stats. The CDC numbers are not the same at all.	Warren Stupidity	Oct 2012	#130
It is really two separate problems.	hack89	Oct 2012	#139
The post specifically says that the odds of being murdered	hack89	Oct 2012	#142
Math is hard.	AtheistCrusader	Oct 2012	#184
Always a logic fail with you	bongbong	Oct 2012	#201
Feel free to provide some evidence. nt	hack89	Oct 2012	#202
LOL	bongbong	Oct 2012	#203
So if gun ownership has steadily dropped for 30 years	hack89	Oct 2012	#204
Strawman alert!	bongbong	Oct 2012	#208
Either gun ownership went up or it went down. What is it? nt	hack89	Oct 2012	#211
Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993	hack89	Oct 2012	#205
Thanks!	bongbong	Oct 2012	#207
It dropped to 40% in 1995 and continued to increase for 17 years.	hack89	Oct 2012	#210
LOL	bongbong	Oct 2012	#215
"Gun-involved homicides have increased since falling to a low in 1999"	Coexist	Oct 2012	#175
I posted stats from 1992 through 2010	hack89	Oct 2012	#188
Gun-involved homicides or homicides over all? NT	Trunk Monkey	Oct 2012	#36
It means more deaths of amongst households that own guns	intaglio	Oct 2012	#17
got evidence?	eqfan592	Oct 2012	#19
An Explanation for Everything	fightthegoodfightnow	Oct 2012	#26
So what is your solution? nt	hack89	Oct 2012	#34
But with more household having guns	hack89	Oct 2012	#31
Maybe it has to do with more trauma centers and better trauma surgeons.	Crunchy Frog	Oct 2012	#49
But non-fatal shootings and accidents are tracked too - and they are down.	hack89	Oct 2012	#53
suicides	iamthebandfanman	Oct 2012	#23
But access to guns does not mean higher sucide rates	hack89	Oct 2012	#32
Is it wrong that people have a quick and easy way to kill themselves?	4th law of robotics	Oct 2012	#106
Still spouting the same old RW propaganda bullshit, I see.	baldguy	Oct 2012	#60
Do you disagree that gun violence and deaths have significantly declined in the past 30 years?	hack89	Oct 2012	#61
Crime stats are not the issue here.	Warren Stupidity	Oct 2012	#84
So we have a public health issue with a declining mortality rate	hack89	Oct 2012	#111
Right: "30,000 gun deaths each year isn't a crisis." That's the GOP talking, of course.	baldguy	Oct 2012	#117
Suicides are a mental health problem	hack89	Oct 2012	#191
Might be even less had we said "No" decades ago to those who believe more guns, in more places,	Hoyt	Oct 2012	#186
And in another decade the rates of gun violence will be even lower.	hack89	Oct 2012	#189
Maybe, maybe not. Certainly the rate will be higher than it needs to be.	Hoyt	Oct 2012	#192
There are good reasons the gun control movement is dead in America	hack89	Oct 2012	#193
Support for gun control is soft because it's been endlessly propagandized by the RW for 40 yrs.	baldguy	Oct 2012	#217
40 percent of Dems own guns	hack89	Oct 2012	#218
Gun deaths have not plummeted. They remain at around 30000 annually.	Warren Stupidity	Oct 2012	#80
Gun deaths due to murder and manslaughter have been halved	hack89	Oct 2012	#109
yes you keep repeating that the murder rate is down.	Warren Stupidity	Oct 2012	#128
Suicides are a mental health problem	hack89	Oct 2012	#135
But if the odds of.murder or suicide increase with guns	hack89	Oct 2012	#144
That, sir or madam, is Crimethink.	Zalatix	Oct 2012	#82
The issue of "assault rifles" has been discussed numerous times in this forum.	Eleanors38	Oct 2012	#104
Excellent points.	Zalatix	Oct 2012	#127
There is an urban myth, with considerable truth to it, that cops are chronically...	Eleanors38	Oct 2012	#136
What are they doing to research better flash-bangs and non(er, less than?)-lethal weapons?	Zalatix	Oct 2012	#143
When crime goes up the answer is clear: too many guns. More guns = more crime!	4th law of robotics	Oct 2012	#110
are there no other factors?	booley	Oct 2012	#151
But there are two seperate and distinct issues here.	hack89	Oct 2012	#190
yes and no	booley	Oct 2012	#220
Um, evidently you haven't checked the stats in Seattle lately.	countryjake	Oct 2012	#153
I rather look at the annual FBI crime reports	hack89	Oct 2012	#166
National "facts" aside, your statement simply isn't true up here in the PNW...	countryjake	Oct 2012	#212
Your first problem then is your state constitution.	hack89	Oct 2012	#213
knr...	spanone	Oct 2012	#7
I don't agree with this study	Heather MC	Oct 2012	#8
Agree - but lethal weapons embolden some folks. Georgie Zimmernan is good example.	Hoyt	Oct 2012	#10
i know right?	iamthebandfanman	Oct 2012	#16
It's not. sarcasm fail on your part. nt	eqfan592	Oct 2012	#20
My garden would look terrible	iamthebandfanman	Oct 2012	#22
guns are people my friend!	Heather MC	Oct 2012	#51
Jeez, my gun is defective. Hasn't killed anyone in 50+ years.nt	Eleanors38	Oct 2012	#100
And Yet	fightthegoodfightnow	Oct 2012	#27
No wonder we have no real action on gun control.	Jkid	Oct 2012	#11
That's a big part of it. The other part is that NRA's leadership - including Grover Norquist, John	Hoyt	Oct 2012	#40
People who have guns will fight to keep them	krispos42	Oct 2012	#48
If I have more than 30 firearms in my home how likely am I	AtheistCrusader	Oct 2012	#12
This message was self-deleted by its author	former-republican	Oct 2012	#18
Fact Remains	fightthegoodfightnow	Oct 2012	#28
increases the risk of SUCCESSFUL suicide perhaps.	AtheistCrusader	Oct 2012	#29
Shall we look at that math again	hack89	Oct 2012	#198
There are people who smoke a pack a day their entire lives and never get lung cancer.	Warren Stupidity	Oct 2012	#133
One pack huh?	AtheistCrusader	Oct 2012	#181
So interesting, I was actually considering buying a rifle	Tumbulu	Oct 2012	#15
I love this story. n/t	FourScore	Oct 2012	#21
thanks (nt)	Tumbulu	Oct 2012	#24
Well yeah... you'd have to actually take it out of your storage location....	PavePusher	Oct 2012	#67
No, Just You Being Pissed At The Lack Of Gun Play.	Paladin	Oct 2012	#71
Ummm... whatever, buddy.	PavePusher	Oct 2012	#94
The point being that it takes time to go get the rifle, unlock it	Tumbulu	Oct 2012	#141
Probably a good solution for you. I have several firearms, locked up to prevent	Eleanors38	Oct 2012	#102
du rec. nt	xchrom	Oct 2012	#35
People with bongs in the house are ten times as likely to get high...	k2qb3	Oct 2012	#38
LOL! I think you caught the massive flaw in these "studies." nt	Eleanors38	Oct 2012	#97
Looking at the responses in this thread ....	etherealtruth	Oct 2012	#39
The door to hell opened when 'guns are bad' was written......	DainBramaged	Oct 2012	#46
Anytime one proposes a law -- especially a ban -- they must show how such action will resolve...	Eleanors38	Oct 2012	#114
You might be interested in what the CDC said themselves about gun-control strategies:	Eleanors38	Oct 2012	#113
Booze, tobacco, meth, heroin, etc kills hundreds of thousands	Ya Basta	Oct 2012	#41
If I or my family members can get hit by a stray bullet	Crunchy Frog	Oct 2012	#50
If you have not been harmed you have not been harmed	Ya Basta	Oct 2012	#57
Well played. Not that it will do any good where prohibition is concerned. nt	Eleanors38	Oct 2012	#115
Completely, absolutely wrong.	Zoeisright	Oct 2012	#54
With that logic then your car threatens my life	Ya Basta	Oct 2012	#56
And it's silly you need a gun everywhere	DainBramaged	Oct 2012	#148
The only guns that threaten your life	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#58
Most of the mass killers where	rawtribe	Oct 2012	#81
No shit	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#85
NO	rawtribe	Oct 2012	#92
Bwaaaahahahahha!	PavePusher	Oct 2012	#98
I had to take drivers ed	rawtribe	Oct 2012	#107
"I had to take drivers ed"... Was this a legal requirement of your state?	PavePusher	Oct 2012	#146
Are you saying all my guns are broken?	AtheistCrusader	Oct 2012	#183
I only need to license a car if I operate it on public roads.	AtheistCrusader	Oct 2012	#182
Believe It Or Not, That's Not Very Persuasive. (nt)	Paladin	Oct 2012	#187
Why not? I have a license to carry a firearm in public.	AtheistCrusader	Oct 2012	#197
So I would get a license that is good in every state?	hack89	Oct 2012	#194
No they anti-choice crowd won't take that flawed	Missycim	Oct 2012	#209
Sorry, but corrections to your post are in order:	Eleanors38	Oct 2012	#118
Thank the Supreme Court for strengthening the influence of special interests on our government. n/t	porphyrian	Oct 2012	#43
We don't need to spend money on frivolous studies to prove that dangerous weapons are dangerous	slackmaster	Oct 2012	#44
Those who speak out against this OP do not believe in the 1st amendment but otherwise	DainBramaged	Oct 2012	#45
Because guns are a natural part of the human anatomy that you are born with	Crunchy Frog	Oct 2012	#52
"Those who speak out against this OP do not believe in the 1st amendment"?!?!	PavePusher	Oct 2012	#68
Yeah, I felt that thought slip like an old Hydramatic.nt	Eleanors38	Oct 2012	#119
Guns are not a leading cause of death	krispos42	Oct 2012	#47
Take a look at this Mother Jones article about mass killings.	GoneOffShore	Oct 2012	#59
And most of those shootings happened in gun free zones	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#62
Missing the point aren't you?	GoneOffShore	Oct 2012	#63
Not at all	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#64
Yup yup uhuh yeppers who haw yee haw get the guns boyz we're going out to the movies	DainBramaged	Oct 2012	#72
Ummmmmm	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#76
I don't care who you are.	DainBramaged	Oct 2012	#78
That seems to be your M.O.	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#86
I don't care that you think that way	DainBramaged	Oct 2012	#87
You must really think you're insulting me.	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#93
More fanciful construction, eh? --	Eleanors38	Oct 2012	#123
Interesting how they rest their case on only two data points.	PavePusher	Oct 2012	#69
Big problem with this outlook, respectfully...	Eleanors38	Oct 2012	#120
Well, think of it this way...	krispos42	Oct 2012	#163
Roughly 2/3 of all murders are by guns in the US.	Whovian	Oct 2012	#138
You are talking to the deaf through a sunscreen	DainBramaged	Oct 2012	#152
I know and sigh that the gun industry has absorbed so many into their thinking.	Whovian	Oct 2012	#154
Back in the day, when I was a kid, people had rifles and shotguns for hunting	DainBramaged	Oct 2012	#155
Salient points.	Whovian	Oct 2012	#156
Offender use of firearms (telling statistic)	DainBramaged	Oct 2012	#157
So what new laws would you propose to elimanate this problem?	oneshooter	Oct 2012	#170
I doubt you would care for my suggestion.	Whovian	Oct 2012	#179
Why do I have to propose shit?	DainBramaged	Oct 2012	#199
Interesting stats. Compared to Canada, the firearm homicide rate per 100,000 is less than 1/5 ...	sl8	Oct 2012	#158
Marketing. nt	Whovian	Oct 2012	#160
The United States had over 25000 firearms deaths last year	DainBramaged	Oct 2012	#161
No, 2/3rds of all murders are WITH guns in the US	krispos42	Oct 2012	#159
Guns as an instrument of murder or assault. In this case 2/3's of murderers decided on a gun.	Whovian	Oct 2012	#162
A certain percentage of the people that would use a gun would use something else.	krispos42	Oct 2012	#178
If owning a gun doesn't protect you then why do police own them?	Ya Basta	Oct 2012	#70
That brings to mind a line from one of the Firesign Theatre albums...	slackmaster	Oct 2012	#73
If having a brain doesn't help people why do they have one?	DainBramaged	Oct 2012	#74
HA! DU's "Gungeon" is the best thing to happen to the Democratic Left...	Eleanors38	Oct 2012	#124
This post was hidden by jury decision.	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#75
Mr Polize man, this is DEMOCRATIC Underground, not Free Republic or the NRA blog	DainBramaged	Oct 2012	#79
Oh I get it	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#88
Oh Mr. Polize man don't gives me a tickets	DainBramaged	Oct 2012	#91
Now that's funny	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#95
Oh, he would be assured if Officer Blart answered 9-1-1 and answered: "Hold on...	Eleanors38	Oct 2012	#126
And thus the irony of posts 13 and 42 eludes you...	PavePusher	Oct 2012	#99
Sorry, but "we say" PRO-2A. And most of DU agrees. Got it? Hold onto it. Firmly. nt	Eleanors38	Oct 2012	#125
Who's "we"?	DainBramaged	Oct 2012	#134
We? DU, bud. Most here support 2A. BTW I've been told this a few times...	Eleanors38	Oct 2012	#149
Wow that guy actually believes that?	Ya Basta	Oct 2012	#165
Police are in more danger than other people	treestar	Oct 2012	#122
So you agree guns DO protect. Thanks	Ya Basta	Oct 2012	#168
Guns guns guns guns guns guns	DainBramaged	Oct 2012	#103
You do realize that the orange tip on those firearms	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#108
He stumbled drunkenly, like a robot, from the porta-John, trailing toilet paper before all.nt	Eleanors38	Oct 2012	#129
You're doing nothing but living up to the promise of your screen name. Good luck with that. n/t	PavePusher	Oct 2012	#150
Ahhh right out of the right-wing strategy playbook	Ya Basta	Oct 2012	#171
airsoft , If you're going to do that get it right.	former-republican	Oct 2012	#172
Toy guns? LOL. nt	hack89	Oct 2012	#195
The NRA has to bury the Truth and then Lie	fascisthunter	Oct 2012	#116
This post was hidden by jury decision.	Eleanors38	Oct 2012	#131
So many low post defenders of the Second cause of death to the innocents	DainBramaged	Oct 2012	#137
HuffPo Blog piece on guns not locked in GD? Mon dieu.	aikoaiko	Oct 2012	#140
As I understand the law, funding requirements prohibit advocacy or promotion of gun control.	aikoaiko	Oct 2012	#145
It'll stop when the NRA members	Ilsa	Oct 2012	#173
That is a deranged statement to post.	former-republican	Oct 2012	#176
And where did I say I was hoping for that?	Ilsa	Oct 2012	#219
The insinuation/implication was quite clear.	PavePusher	Oct 2012	#223
You inferred it. I didn't imply my preferences.	Ilsa	Oct 2012	#225
What about the remaining 50 million gun owners who are not NRA members?	hack89	Oct 2012	#196
Ahh the 'gunnium (Gi) attracts gunnium (Gi)' theory..	X_Digger	Oct 2012	#180
GREAT DISCUSSION ABOUT CDC STORY AND GUNS	fightthegoodfightnow	Oct 2012	#221
That hidden agenda I always smell.	orpupilofnature57	Oct 2012	#226
I would go beyond what the poster asserts here (right or wrong)....	Swede Atlanta	Oct 2012	#227

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