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AngryAmish

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Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:26 AM Sep 2012

What if pedophiles were born that way? [View all]


WARNING!!!! THE BEGINNING OF THIS ARTICLE IS VERY, VERY GRAPHIC AND UTTERLY DISTURBING. IT DESCRIBES A SEX ACT WITH A SMALL CHILD. IT WILL BUM ANYBODY OUT BUT COULD FREAK SOME PEOPLE OUT COMPLETELY.


YOU ARE WARNED.

http://gawker.com/5941037/born-this-way-sympathy-and-science-for-those-who--want-to-have-sex-with-children

..."On Valentine's Day of last year, Dr. Vernon Quinsey, then of Queens University, and Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem (pronounced HI-sheh-hem), who was retired from the University of Montreal, testified before the Canadian Parliament's "Committee on Justice and Human Rights." The topic of the day was mandatory minimum sentences for people convicted of sexual offenses against children. For about two hours, Quinsey and Van Gijseghem discussed what they believed would be the appropriate course of action when it came to imprisoning people caught with child pornography, or attempting to have sex with a minor. Though the topic of conversation was particularly controversial, the meeting was pleasant and kind in that stereotypically Canadian way. But amid all the niceties about policy, this, from Dr. Van Gijseghem, stood out:

t is a fact that real pedophiles account for only 20 percent of sexual abusers. If we know that pedophiles are not simply people who commit a small offence from time to time but rather are grappling with what is equivalent to a sexual orientation just like another individual may be grappling with heterosexuality or even homosexuality, and if we agree on the fact that true pedophiles have an exclusive preference for children, which is the same as having a sexual orientation, everyone knows that there is no such thing as real therapy. You cannot change this person's sexual orientation.

What Van Gijseghem meant by "real pedophiles" is the definition most of the scientists I spoke to use and the definition we'll use throughout this article. That is, people—the overwhelming majority of whom are men—who have an unwavering sexual attraction to prepubescent children. When you start to read a lot about pedophilia, you realize that the dialogue gets muddied because so many laymen use the term "pedophile" to mean anyone who sexualizes a child. But a 21-year-old who has intercourse with a 16-year-old, while not a good decision maker, is probably not a pedophile. Nor is someone who, say, exposes himself to a 5-year-old boy necessarily a pedophile. They may have committed a pedophilic act, but unless they have a clear preference for undeveloped children the way heterosexual men have for women, they are not pedophiles."


Read the whole thing.

And please be careful that you don't think calling pedophilia a sexual orientation is the same as calling a gay person a pedophile. They are not. But read carefully.
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To be blunt... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #1
Well bipolar people are born that way and Drale Sep 2012 #2
What if they were? MadrasT Sep 2012 #3
The point is that jailing them is useless. AngryAmish Sep 2012 #5
+1 sadbear Sep 2012 #14
Then they will live a miserable life without sex Aerows Sep 2012 #15
If it is hardwired, therapy is likely not to work, and repression/change/etc... yawnmaster Sep 2012 #34
"...or live a miserable life without sex." cate94 Sep 2012 #44
If it is an orientation, or congenital disorder, and don't act why should they be miserable? AngryAmish Sep 2012 #57
if they cant be fixed for want of a better term then they need to be locked away loli phabay Sep 2012 #6
The point is NV Whino Sep 2012 #9
It's difficult to accept 'hard wiring' in this case. xchrom Sep 2012 #4
If not hard wired, then why in the hell would they be a pedophile then? AngryAmish Sep 2012 #8
There is mythology and symbolism that is associated with children Quantess Sep 2012 #19
I'm very doubtful, too Aerows Sep 2012 #20
we can ask why the hell people make a lot of hurtful choices in life. a lot of them have to do with seabeyond Sep 2012 #35
And then because of the secrecy and the way the mind protects itself from trauma and shame . . . siligut Sep 2012 #43
that or this is what love is and as an adult goes to extreme means to meet that childhood seabeyond Sep 2012 #48
Shades of Rev. Benedict Groeschel? siligut Sep 2012 #56
WTF? Justifying pedophiles? Ohio Joe Sep 2012 #7
Did you even read the article? AngryAmish Sep 2012 #12
"What if pedophiles were born that way?" Ohio Joe Sep 2012 #17
Actually, it should be discussed siligut Sep 2012 #45
A reason for their actions is not justification. NCTraveler Sep 2012 #49
When one starts with the pedophiles own justification for their acts, it is support Ohio Joe Sep 2012 #54
This is a democratic site. NCTraveler Sep 2012 #63
There is nothing in the article linked that offers justification. hifiguy Sep 2012 #29
Explaining their behavior is not justifying it. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #55
And if it was only an explanation, it would be fine but it is not... Ohio Joe Sep 2012 #59
What a bunch of crap. Alduin Sep 2012 #10
Convicted offenders should be locked in a humane facility for life after serving their sentence. qb Sep 2012 #11
Sexual orientation can not be changed. However, we DO have control and choices over what to do about uppityperson Sep 2012 #13
Pedophilia isn't an "orientation" Aerows Sep 2012 #18
Didn't read the article but it seems obvious to me that pedophiles are born that way, why choose it? BoWanZi Sep 2012 #16
Not a justification FightForMichigan Sep 2012 #21
Well then Aerows Sep 2012 #23
Orientation vs. Action FightForMichigan Sep 2012 #28
I would hope Aerows Sep 2012 #32
I share the same concerns FightForMichigan Sep 2012 #36
It's a tough situation Aerows Sep 2012 #40
But what about people who don't act on the urge? Who get therapy and avoid children? Lucy Goosey Sep 2012 #31
That's exactly what they should do Aerows Sep 2012 #37
Even if it is an orientation they still shouldn't be around kids. craigmatic Sep 2012 #22
Absolutely. But pedophiles should also be studied, hifiguy Sep 2012 #30
we'd still have kidnapping laws, statutory rape and rape laws.they are essentially criminally insane Kurovski Sep 2012 #24
"...no such thing as real therapy"?? lastlib Sep 2012 #25
Maybe that could be Lady Gaga's next song. bigwillq Sep 2012 #26
What if rapists were born that way? And murderers and wife-beaters? Brickbat Sep 2012 #27
My thoughts exactly Aerows Sep 2012 #41
What if they were? MineralMan Sep 2012 #33
Exactly so. Lex Sep 2012 #39
What if serial killers are born that way? Lex Sep 2012 #38
So what? It doesn't give them the right to molest children. kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #42
I'm willing to accept that pedophiles may very well be born that way and I realize Arkansas Granny Sep 2012 #46
I think the only thing, really Aerows Sep 2012 #47
All questions far beyond my limited scope... LanternWaste Sep 2012 #50
They cause harm get the red out Sep 2012 #51
"Congenital Disorder" would be a better phrase jberryhill Sep 2012 #52
Psychopaths are born as psychopaths, too. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #53
Thank you for posting this Tom1960 Sep 2012 #58
"Born that way" can never erase the element of choice involved. davsand Sep 2012 #60
No one says they have to learn to like sex with adults. Kurska Sep 2012 #61
The primary defining characteristic of what constitutes a sexual predator is that a sexual predator Zorra Sep 2012 #62
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