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Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:26 AM

What if pedophiles were born that way?


WARNING!!!! THE BEGINNING OF THIS ARTICLE IS VERY, VERY GRAPHIC AND UTTERLY DISTURBING. IT DESCRIBES A SEX ACT WITH A SMALL CHILD. IT WILL BUM ANYBODY OUT BUT COULD FREAK SOME PEOPLE OUT COMPLETELY.


YOU ARE WARNED.

http://gawker.com/5941037/born-this-way-sympathy-and-science-for-those-who--want-to-have-sex-with-children

..."On Valentine's Day of last year, Dr. Vernon Quinsey, then of Queens University, and Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem (pronounced HI-sheh-hem), who was retired from the University of Montreal, testified before the Canadian Parliament's "Committee on Justice and Human Rights." The topic of the day was mandatory minimum sentences for people convicted of sexual offenses against children. For about two hours, Quinsey and Van Gijseghem discussed what they believed would be the appropriate course of action when it came to imprisoning people caught with child pornography, or attempting to have sex with a minor. Though the topic of conversation was particularly controversial, the meeting was pleasant and kind in that stereotypically Canadian way. But amid all the niceties about policy, this, from Dr. Van Gijseghem, stood out:

t is a fact that real pedophiles account for only 20 percent of sexual abusers. If we know that pedophiles are not simply people who commit a small offence from time to time but rather are grappling with what is equivalent to a sexual orientation just like another individual may be grappling with heterosexuality or even homosexuality, and if we agree on the fact that true pedophiles have an exclusive preference for children, which is the same as having a sexual orientation, everyone knows that there is no such thing as real therapy. You cannot change this person's sexual orientation.

What Van Gijseghem meant by "real pedophiles" is the definition most of the scientists I spoke to use and the definition we'll use throughout this article. That is, people—the overwhelming majority of whom are men—who have an unwavering sexual attraction to prepubescent children. When you start to read a lot about pedophilia, you realize that the dialogue gets muddied because so many laymen use the term "pedophile" to mean anyone who sexualizes a child. But a 21-year-old who has intercourse with a 16-year-old, while not a good decision maker, is probably not a pedophile. Nor is someone who, say, exposes himself to a 5-year-old boy necessarily a pedophile. They may have committed a pedophilic act, but unless they have a clear preference for undeveloped children the way heterosexual men have for women, they are not pedophiles."


Read the whole thing.

And please be careful that you don't think calling pedophilia a sexual orientation is the same as calling a gay person a pedophile. They are not. But read carefully.

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Reply What if pedophiles were born that way? (Original post)
AngryAmish Sep 2012 OP
a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #1
Drale Sep 2012 #2
MadrasT Sep 2012 #3
AngryAmish Sep 2012 #5
sadbear Sep 2012 #14
Aerows Sep 2012 #15
yawnmaster Sep 2012 #34
cate94 Sep 2012 #44
AngryAmish Sep 2012 #57
loli phabay Sep 2012 #6
NV Whino Sep 2012 #9
xchrom Sep 2012 #4
AngryAmish Sep 2012 #8
Quantess Sep 2012 #19
Aerows Sep 2012 #20
seabeyond Sep 2012 #35
siligut Sep 2012 #43
seabeyond Sep 2012 #48
siligut Sep 2012 #56
Ohio Joe Sep 2012 #7
AngryAmish Sep 2012 #12
Ohio Joe Sep 2012 #17
siligut Sep 2012 #45
NCTraveler Sep 2012 #49
Ohio Joe Sep 2012 #54
NCTraveler Sep 2012 #63
hifiguy Sep 2012 #29
Odin2005 Sep 2012 #55
Ohio Joe Sep 2012 #59
Alduin Sep 2012 #10
qb Sep 2012 #11
uppityperson Sep 2012 #13
Aerows Sep 2012 #18
BoWanZi Sep 2012 #16
FightForMichigan Sep 2012 #21
Aerows Sep 2012 #23
FightForMichigan Sep 2012 #28
Aerows Sep 2012 #32
FightForMichigan Sep 2012 #36
Aerows Sep 2012 #40
Lucy Goosey Sep 2012 #31
Aerows Sep 2012 #37
craigmatic Sep 2012 #22
hifiguy Sep 2012 #30
Kurovski Sep 2012 #24
lastlib Sep 2012 #25
bigwillq Sep 2012 #26
Brickbat Sep 2012 #27
Aerows Sep 2012 #41
MineralMan Sep 2012 #33
Lex Sep 2012 #39
Lex Sep 2012 #38
kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #42
Arkansas Granny Sep 2012 #46
Aerows Sep 2012 #47
LanternWaste Sep 2012 #50
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Odin2005 Sep 2012 #53
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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:30 AM

1. To be blunt...

 

They are too dangerous to be let loose in our society.

Put them somewhere, that has NO access to children.

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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:31 AM

2. Well bipolar people are born that way and

if they are a danger to society they can be locked away, not in prison but in an asylum. Maybe Pedophilia is a mental disorder but they are dangerous to society and its people. Serial killers can show signs of evil as children, maybe they are born that way and can't help it but we still lock them away. The only reason it would matter is that if they are born that way perhaps there is a way to cure them or at least help them to ignore the voices in their heads.

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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:34 AM

3. What if they were?

It very well could be.

It's still wrong.

Not sure what the point is.

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Response to MadrasT (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:37 AM

5. The point is that jailing them is useless.

It keeps them off the street for a while but they are likely to go back to it again. Or live a miserable life without sex.

The point is we should allow these people to identify themselves so they can learn to repress/change/sublimate their desires while keeping an eye on them.

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Response to AngryAmish (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:44 AM

14. +1

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Response to AngryAmish (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:44 AM

15. Then they will live a miserable life without sex

Pedophilia isn't about "love". It is about having power over a child, and abusing that child. Consenting adults do just that - they consent to a relationship and consent to sex because they want to do it.

Children aren't capable of consent, therefore it's rape. I don't care why they desire children, and I don't care how miserable they are because they can't just go around molesting children at will. Children cannot consent, and all they are doing is victimizing someone, not having a "relationship" of any sort. They are obsessed with an unhealthy idea.

If we have to lock them up somewhere, certainly we should be humane about it, but all the feelings of sympathy for their plight goes out of the window when they put their hands on a child and ruin that child's life.

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Response to AngryAmish (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:18 PM

34. If it is hardwired, therapy is likely not to work, and repression/change/etc...

is just holding a vial of nitro on a bumpy road.
now one could perhaps, remove that part of the brain that has become hardwired.
Or just lock them away.
If that is truly a mutant genetic trait or a random defect from birth, we need to remove it from society,
until that time until we might have the technology to fix it, which is not at this time.

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Response to AngryAmish (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:36 PM

44. "...or live a miserable life without sex."

That is exactly what a pedophile needs to do.
And if he can't do it by self control then jail or castration is fine with me. Sound harsh? It doesn't sound harsh if you know anyone who has had their life ruined by a pedophile.

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Response to cate94 (Reply #44)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 01:15 PM

57. If it is an orientation, or congenital disorder, and don't act why should they be miserable?

Think about it. A person knows they are built wrong - feels it in their bones. And they know they will hurt children permanently if they act on it. Their options because they suffer from something beyond their control?

If ours were a humane society we would offer them treatment or make a place for them away from society that is not jail where they will be murdered.

We punish acts not thoughts.

But I think everyone agrees once they act then prison.

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Response to MadrasT (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:38 AM

6. if they cant be fixed for want of a better term then they need to be locked away

 

Never allowed access to children. I am pretty open about sex but this is the line in the sand thats also mined with covering fire.

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Response to MadrasT (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:40 AM

9. The point is

There should be a different way to treat pedophiliacs if it is hard wired at birth.

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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:36 AM

4. It's difficult to accept 'hard wiring' in this case.

But we may have to if we want to make progress in dealing w/ child sexual predators.

Right now - we're flailing.

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Response to xchrom (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:39 AM

8. If not hard wired, then why in the hell would they be a pedophile then?

Because of the riches and fame that comes with it?

Because they are evil?

Something is wrong with them. And we have to figure out what and what to do with them.

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Response to AngryAmish (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:47 AM

19. There is mythology and symbolism that is associated with children

such as purity, cleanliness. For example, raping a child makes you cleaner, children are pure so you will be pure if you have sex with a child, sex with virgins cure your diseases, etc. I assume these are deep seated notions that are taught or are learned, often on a cultural basis.

I am no expert, but I am very doubtful that anyone is "born a pedophile".

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Response to Quantess (Reply #19)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:49 AM

20. I'm very doubtful, too

Are people "born a rapist"? Because sexual contact and manipulation of children is rape. It's not a sexual orientation, it's obsessive, violent, unhealthy behavior.

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Response to AngryAmish (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:19 PM

35. we can ask why the hell people make a lot of hurtful choices in life. a lot of them have to do with

traumatic events in early years. oh, say.... someone fuckin raping them when they are children.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #35)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:34 PM

43. And then because of the secrecy and the way the mind protects itself from trauma and shame . . .

The conclusion is that pedophiles are just born that way. Welcome to Crazy World, where all the science regarding child development, adaptation and survival is tossed aside to continue to protect the guilty.

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Response to siligut (Reply #43)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:48 PM

48. that or this is what love is and as an adult goes to extreme means to meet that childhood

interpretation.

ya....

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #48)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 01:13 PM

56. Shades of Rev. Benedict Groeschel?

Fucking wishful thinking. Secrecy should be the red flag here.

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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:38 AM

7. WTF? Justifying pedophiles?

Shit like this should be an automatic pizza.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #7)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:41 AM

12. Did you even read the article?

These people exist and we need to figure out what to do with them. Nothing justifies pedophilia nor crimes against children.

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Response to AngryAmish (Reply #12)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:46 AM

17. "What if pedophiles were born that way?"

This is the message the sick fucks have been trying to put out to justify their actions and trying to pass off this crap here deserves a pizza.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #17)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:37 PM

45. Actually, it should be discussed

Yes, it is utterly stupid, but some people may not be aware of the problem. Hard to believe, I know.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #17)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:54 PM

49. A reason for their actions is not justification.

If one is born a sociopath, does that justify their actions. No. It gives a reason for their actions. They are still responsible for them.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #49)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 01:10 PM

54. When one starts with the pedophiles own justification for their acts, it is support

No way around it, it makes not one bit of difference how many times they say it is wrong, they opened with justification.

Not only does it start with the pedophiles own justification but it then launches into masturbation material for them. It is seriously fucked up that people here are supporting this shit.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #54)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 02:31 PM

63. This is a democratic site.

Supporting knowledge and a better understanding is commonplace.

I agree with you about the masturbatory part. Completely unnecessary.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #7)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:09 PM

29. There is nothing in the article linked that offers justification.

Not one thing. Explanation is not justification and any historian worth a pinch of salt can tell you that. Does a considered explanation, based on documentable facts, of Hitler's actions and motivations serve to justify Hitler? Of course it doesn't. But it may make an understanding of the "whys" of a Hitler more clear and make it easier to spot another potential Hitler and prevent his rise to power.

We really know very little about the human brain and the genetic and environmental externalities that can make it go haywire. Best to inquire and learn. Psychologists study serial killers in order to learn more about their commonalities and to understand what makes them tick. Knowledge is always the way to understanding why people do what they do, even when their actions are monstrous.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #7)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 01:10 PM

55. Explaining their behavior is not justifying it.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #55)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 01:36 PM

59. And if it was only an explanation, it would be fine but it is not...

The very title is the pedophiles own justification that has been used for years... Going to masturbation material for them next is also not needed for an explanation. They can say it is bad as many times as they like but leading with that shit makes it justification and not explanation.

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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:41 AM

10. What a bunch of crap.

 

What the hell? Justifying pedophilia?

Oh hell no. This is just wrong.

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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:41 AM

11. Convicted offenders should be locked in a humane facility for life after serving their sentence.

Or perhaps be offered lifetime commitment as an alternative to a prison where they may be assaulted or murdered. Despite their "orientation", adults are still responsible for their actions and must avoid sexual contact with minors. Those who cannot refrain from abusing children need to be locked up for life.

I do support the concept of walk-in treatment centers for those with this "orientation" who have not yet harmed anyone and wish to avoid harming anyone.

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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:43 AM

13. Sexual orientation can not be changed. However, we DO have control and choices over what to do about

it.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #13)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:47 AM

18. Pedophilia isn't an "orientation"

Pedophilia isn't about love or relationships. Pedophilia is about control and abuse, just like rape is. A man with a burning desire to rape women isn't an "orientation."

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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:46 AM

16. Didn't read the article but it seems obvious to me that pedophiles are born that way, why choose it?

Seriously, I bet you ask 100 real pedophiles if they could have an operation that will fix their sexual preference and make them only desire age appropriate partners, almost all would choose it. I don't mean snip their nads but changing something in their brain so they only desire men or women of their own age.

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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:50 AM

21. Not a justification

I read the article and no where in it does it say that sexual abuse of children is acceptable. I know there are some people and organizations who say this, but that's not what the article is about.

Instead, it argues that for a minority of people, sexual attraction to children is a part of who they are. The article argues that it's there from birth, but in my opinion, it doesn't matter if it's there from birth or develops through environment and experiences. However attractions - or, really, orientations - get there, once they're there, they're pretty much set.

I think a distinction has to be made between those who have the urges but choose not to act on them, and those who have the urges and do act on them. Being sexually attracted to children is abhorrent and absolutely wrong to most people, and with good reason. But the attraction itself is not a crime. The crime occurs when it is acted on.

So what do we do about people who have this attraction but don't act on it? How do we deal with those who do act on it, if rewiring that attraction is impossible? They are uncomfortable questions but important ones.

I think it should also be said that not all sexual abusers of children are pedophiles in the sense that for many (and perhaps most), sexual attraction to children isn't their driving motivation. Like any other rape, it is essentially a crime of power and dominance. I think in many (most?) cases of child sexual abuse, the perpetrator is looking for the easy victim, someone who can be easily controlled and intimidated so they won't tell. It's a crime of opportunity very often. People like that aren't the subject of the article.

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Response to FightForMichigan (Reply #21)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:56 AM

23. Well then

we will then have to say that bestiality is like that, too. But honestly, anyone that wants a victim that they control and abuse, a victim that cannot consent, it's not a sexual orientation, it's an unhealthy, obsessive mindset.

Sorry, sexual orientation is where both parties get to consent. A one sided partnership where one side cannot consent is abuse, and abuse is unacceptable. Sure some people might get obsessed with going out and killing people, that doesn't mean that we as a society have to put up with them doing so, or even pity them. Your rights end when they trample on someone else's rights.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #23)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:04 PM

28. Orientation vs. Action

Again, I think you are mixing up orientation with action. Orientations don't hurt anyone. Actions can. In the case of sex with a child, they most certainly will.

I happen to know someone like this. He is sexually attracted to children. Actually, what he most wants is to actually be a child and have sex with another child, even though he knows it is impossible. He knows it is wrong to have any kind of sexual activity with a child. He does not want to act on it, because someone did it to him and he knows the damage it does. So he actively avoids being around children. He doesn't go to family gatherings if kids will be there. His primary sexual outlet is to go online in a virtual world and pretend to be a boy. It might creep you out, it might be disgusting to most people, but no one is being harmed.

What would you do with somone like that?

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Response to FightForMichigan (Reply #28)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:16 PM

32. I would hope

That this person that you know receives support and help to prevent him from escalating to action. And going online in a virtual world, pretending to be a boy ... uh, how do you know that he isn't talking to other children and fantasizing that he is having sex with them and making sexually explicit statements to those children?

I'm not saying that he does, but it is obsessive behavior, and without support and psychological help he could very easily move on to action, particularly if something traumatic happens in his life (death of a loved one, losing a job, etc.).

I'll be honest, I'm leery of this idea that it's "safe" in a virtual online world, and think he could easily get himself into trouble.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #32)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:19 PM

36. I share the same concerns

But I'm not sure what, realistically, he should do. Vows of celibacy don't exactly have a great track record. I think there's a tendency, when you try to suppress something, to have it become even more of a desire. He is in counseling, btw.

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Response to FightForMichigan (Reply #36)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:27 PM

40. It's a tough situation

I would hope that whoever he is getting counseling from is very careful to make sure he doesn't escalate into action, but it is very difficult to monitor someone 24 hours a day.

I would definitely make sure that when he's "pretending to be a boy" that he's "pretending to be a boy" with other adults and not with children, because again, I think it could be very easy for him to stray into troubled territory.

I hope it works out for him, though. Hopefully, with counseling and maybe even medication he could live as close to a normal life as possible without bringing harm to a child.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #23)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:12 PM

31. But what about people who don't act on the urge? Who get therapy and avoid children?

I agree wholeheartedly that children cannot consent to sex, and that any attempt to initiate any sort of sexual act with a child is not sex - it's abuse and assault, and it's a crime. I don't think anyone here is disputing that. But that's not what the article is about.

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Response to Lucy Goosey (Reply #31)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:21 PM

37. That's exactly what they should do

And they should also have support from others with the same problem. My problem, however, is that a lot of these folks end up getting themselves in trouble one way or another. I'm sure it's an uphill struggle, but as human beings, many of us have uphill struggles that don't have such horrific consequences as the rape of a child.

Look at the child pornography industry. It's not a victimless crime if someone who is obsessed with molesting children looks at child porn, because if it weren't for demand, these poor children wouldn't have it happen to them.

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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:55 AM

22. Even if it is an orientation they still shouldn't be around kids.

I feel bad for them if it's true but kids should be able to grow up free from this kind of thing.

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Response to craigmatic (Reply #22)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:11 PM

30. Absolutely. But pedophiles should also be studied,

just as serial killers are.

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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:58 AM

24. we'd still have kidnapping laws, statutory rape and rape laws.they are essentially criminally insane

however, I'm not going to read the article,

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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:00 PM

25. "...no such thing as real therapy"??

I don't believe that. With enough blows to the head from a tire tool or similar blunt object, I think we could treat most cases like this--one way or another. Personally, I don't have a problem with that.

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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:00 PM

26. Maybe that could be Lady Gaga's next song.

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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:03 PM

27. What if rapists were born that way? And murderers and wife-beaters?

Well, too bad for all of them, because they were all born into societies that, nominally at least, find such things reprehensible and are outlawed. No one has the right to hurt an unconsenting person.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #27)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:31 PM

41. My thoughts exactly

Rape is not a relationship - it is abuse, and it is a violation.

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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:16 PM

33. What if they were?

Children cannot consent to sex. Therefore, all sex with children is not consensual. Laws against sex without consent do not discriminate in any way, except to protect children, who simply cannot consent to sex.

It's a completely different issue from sex between adults. Adults can consent, so we have nothing to object to.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #33)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:22 PM

39. Exactly so.

And BIG glaring difference.

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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:21 PM

38. What if serial killers are born that way?

And they cannot be changed?

So? They are still causing harm and must be stopped and imprisoned.

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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:33 PM

42. So what? It doesn't give them the right to molest children.

Your rights end where another person's body begins.

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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:43 PM

46. I'm willing to accept that pedophiles may very well be born that way and I realize

that many pedophiles are able to exercise self control and never act on their sexual urges.

However, those who cannot or will not exercise that level of self control cannot be allowed to satisfy their desires with a child and must be isolated from having contact with children. I'm just not sure how you could do that legally and successfully.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #46)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:47 PM

47. I think the only thing, really

Is very vigilant parents. As kids, my sister and I were not allowed to go anywhere that my parents hadn't met the other parents, and if there was a man alone around the house all of the time, we were not allowed to go there.

I know it's kind of harsh, but were I a parent, I wouldn't let my kids be around a male that "likes children a lot" without being supervised, and closely evaluating the situation to make sure nothing goes on. Churches seem to be a place where a lot of these guys tend to be, because many parents think that religious, pious folk don't do these sorts of things.

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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:54 PM

50. All questions far beyond my limited scope...

A friend and I had a like conversation some years ago. If these disorders (not just pedophiles, but serial killers, arsonists, etc) are indeed an actual illness due to one or another synapse short-circuiting, then our current responses to them may be viewed by an observer some three-hundred years in the future with much the same absurdity as we currently view the burning of witches at the stake three hundred years ago.

Not that I have any idea of whether it is in fact, an illness or merely just a convenient rationalization people make to excuse bad choices... or even if it is an illness, what should be done-- treatment and rehabilitation, prison, both? All questions far beyond my limited scope.

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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 01:00 PM

51. They cause harm

If they are born this way I am sorry for them, but they cause harm to others, terrible harm. If we are to have a conscious as a society we must protect people from harm at the hands of others.

Gay people do not cause harm simply by being gay so I can't see the parallel. Something which drives a person to harm others may be something they are born with, but it is a disorder because it is destructive to society and other human beings.

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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 01:01 PM

52. "Congenital Disorder" would be a better phrase

...due to the particular resonance of the one you used.

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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 01:06 PM

53. Psychopaths are born as psychopaths, too.

That does not make them any less guilty.

IMO after they serve their time they should be isolated in mental institutions for the rest of their lives.

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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 01:24 PM

58. Thank you for posting this

Thanks Angry Amish.

I think it is important on a topic so subject to visceral reaction that we also think from a scientific/medical viewpoint. It does require the ability to set emotion aside but the reward is greater understanding that can lead to humane solutions for what is seems to be a defect in brain development.

Your article asked me to be a bit more Spock like in my analysis and thinking. Thank you.






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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 02:06 PM

60. "Born that way" can never erase the element of choice involved.

I don't give a rip HOW you are hardwired--ACTING on it is a choice. I suppose it's possible to be hardwired to want to have sex with (insert anything you find revolting here) but allowing yourself to act on that desire is what elevates it to an issue. My sympathy for adults that choose to victimize children can be found someplace between shit and syphilis in the dictionary.



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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 02:11 PM

61. No one says they have to learn to like sex with adults.

They just need to not have sex with children and if they do they should be prosecuted.

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Response to AngryAmish (Original post)

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 02:22 PM

62. The primary defining characteristic of what constitutes a sexual predator is that a sexual predator

perpetrates sexual acts against other living creatures without their informed consent.

This is one reason for how and why pedophilia and bestiality differ from simply being by nature heterosexual or gay, and why the argument that ignorant idiots make comparing the morality/legality of bestiality/pedophilia to sexual activity between consenting adults is totally unreasonable, illogical, and moronic.

Heterosexuality is romantic or sexual attraction or behavior between persons of opposite sex or gender.

Homosexuality is romantic or sexual attraction or behavior between members of the same sex or gender.

There are three main categories of sexual orientation, bisexuality, homosexuality, and heterosexuality, and some consider asexuality another main category. Scientific and medical understanding is that sexual orientation is not a choice, but rather a complex interplay of biological and environmental factors.

It's true that pedophiles may possibly be born that way. However....

If pedophilia is hardwired into the brains of pedophiles, it may also then possibly indicate relevance to male physiology, since it is estimated that the incidence of pedophilia is only 0.4% to 4% among females.

Personally, I strongly believe that repressive, puritanical religions, and the effects these religions have on societies, families, and parents, are the primary direct or indirect cause of most coercive paraphilias, but physiological factors surely cannot be ruled out.

The most common overt aspect of is an intense interest in children. There is no typical pedophile. Pedophiles may be young or old, male or female, although the great majority are males. Unfortunately, some pedophiles are professionals who are entrusted with educating or maintaining the health and well-being of young persons, while others are entrusted with children to whom they are related by blood or marriage.

Causes

A variety of different theories exist as to the causes of pedophilia. A few researchers attribute pedophilia along with the other paraphilias to biology. They hold that testosterone, one of the male sex hormones, predisposes men to develop deviant sexual behaviors. As far as genetic factors are concerned, as of 2002 no researchers have claimed to have discovered or mapped a gene for pedophilia.

Most experts regard pedophilia as resulting from psychosocial factors rather than biological characteristics. Some think that pedophilia is the result of having been sexually abused as a child. Still others think that it derives from the person's interactions with parents during their early years of life. Some researchers attribute pedophilia to arrested emotional development; that is, the pedophile is attracted to children because he or she has never matured psychologically. Some regard pedophilia as the result of a distorted need to dominate a sexual partner. Since children are smaller and usually weaker than adults, they may be regarded as nonthreatening potential partners. This drive for domination is sometimes is sometimes thought to explain why most pedophiles are males.


In any case, if society were compassionate we would build humane but secure prisons specifically for pedophiles, and maybe offer them an alternative for voluntary chemical or physical castration.

I don't know the answer.

But if pedophilia is indeed genetic, just like being straight, gay, or transgender is genetic, then known predatory coercive pedophiles who have indulged their compulsion certainly cannot be allowed to live under any conditions where they may freely express their hardwired sexuality by molesting, and causing permanent psychological/emotional scarring, to unsuspecting, innocent, impressionable children.

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