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In reply to the discussion: Glenn Greenwald Unethically Taped Witnesses While Working for Matt Hale, White Supremacist. [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)174. Holy Smokes:
The parade of evils caused by illegal immigration is widely known, and it gets worse every day. In short, illegal immigration wreaks havoc economically, socially, and culturally; makes a mockery of the rule of law; and is disgraceful just on basic fairness grounds alone. Few people dispute this, and yet nothing is done.
A substantial part of the GOP base urgently wants Republicans, who now control the entire Federal Government, to take the lead in enforcing our nations immigration laws. And yet the GOP, despite its unchallenged control, does virtually nothing, infuriating this sector of its party. The White House does worse than nothing; to the extent it acts on this issue at all, it is to introduce legislation designed to sanction and approve of illegal immigration through its guest worker program, a first cousin of all-out amnesty for illegal immigrants.
A substantial part of the GOP base urgently wants Republicans, who now control the entire Federal Government, to take the lead in enforcing our nations immigration laws. And yet the GOP, despite its unchallenged control, does virtually nothing, infuriating this sector of its party. The White House does worse than nothing; to the extent it acts on this issue at all, it is to introduce legislation designed to sanction and approve of illegal immigration through its guest worker program, a first cousin of all-out amnesty for illegal immigrants.
Those evil illegal immigrants don't deserve amnesty!
Greenwald defended himself:
@sahar_shafqat That was a 6 yrs ago: 3 weeks after I began blogging, when I had zero readers. I've discussed many times before how there were many uninformed things I believed back then, before I focused on politics full-time - due to uncritically ingesting conventional wisdom, propaganda, etc. I've written many times since then about how immigrants are exploited by the Right for fear-mongering purposes. I'm 100% in favor of amnesty, think defeat of the DREAM Act was an act of evil, etc. That said, I do think illegal immigration is a serious problem: having millions of people live without legal rights; having a legal scheme that is so pervasively disregarded breeds contempt for the rule of law; virtually every country - not just the U.S. insists on border control because having a manageable immigration process is vital on multiple levels. But that post is something I wrote literally a few weeks after I began blogging when nobody was reading my blog; it was anything but thoughtful, contemplative, and informed, and - like so many things I thought were true then - has nothing to do with what I believe now.
That's why Obama cultists have to dig back 6 years into my archives to try to find things to discredit me.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/a2av5p
That's why Obama cultists have to dig back 6 years into my archives to try to find things to discredit me.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/a2av5p
Shorter Greenwald: In 2005, I was just a baby in politics, only having just put to rest my trust in Bush and withdrawing my support for the Iraq war. Damn "Obama cultists."
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Glenn Greenwald Unethically Taped Witnesses While Working for Matt Hale, White Supremacist. [View all]
msanthrope
Jan 2012
OP
This is so complicated IDK what he did. But this and another thread makes him seem like O'Keefe.
freshwest
Jan 2012
#133
Yes, the big money is there. I'm not sure who, but a DUer posted this and I saved it to read :
freshwest
Jun 2013
#203
You are quite welcome. I hope to do a little more digging regarding the Hale case and Glenn's
msanthrope
Jan 2012
#9
Just stumbled on this again from another thread. You're right, extremely disturbing! n/t
freshwest
Feb 2014
#208
That doesnt fit the orchestrated campaign to slime a blogger that dares question Obama
DJ13
Jan 2012
#15
Yes. Being told you are not so much unethical as incompetent is something every lawyer clings to.
msanthrope
Jan 2012
#16
You mean "The magistrate judge granted both motions, finding defense counsel's conduct unethical"
msanthrope
Jan 2012
#37
Defense counsel could have reasonably believed that his conduct was permissible.
Luminous Animal
Jan 2012
#44
Since he neglected to read the local rules, that's true. So he can always claim ignorance
msanthrope
Jan 2012
#57
How dare I quote Glenn Greenwald!!!! In a thread about, well, Glenn Greenwald.
msanthrope
Jan 2012
#65
American Lawyer Media/April 6, 2000 By Molly McDonough is the source. How is she not
msanthrope
Jan 2012
#105
Are you still suggesting that an article from a decade ago was altered to defame Glenn Greenwald?
msanthrope
Jan 2012
#111
Defense counsel could have reasonably believed that his conduct was permissible
Luminous Animal
Jan 2012
#45
Yes--when he decided not the read the local rules, I am sure Mr. Greenwald thought
msanthrope
Jan 2012
#60
Lawyers are rebuked regularly. I really can't get too worked up about this.
Luminous Animal
Jan 2012
#91
You should read later in the thread--they're using Scientology propaganda to defend
msanthrope
Jan 2012
#109
"The magistrate judge granted both motions, finding defense counsel's conduct unethical"
msanthrope
Jan 2012
#32
It's not for the court to pass judgments of character, but of law. That's what they did. Glenn
msanthrope
Jan 2012
#40
It's becoming clear to me that Glen Greenwald actually likes the Libertarian concepts...
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#25
It was at it's worst right after Awlaki's kid was murdered, along with his cousin.
MNBrewer
Jan 2012
#88
And taking statements out of context & twisting their meaning is a very Rovian thing to do.
baldguy
Jan 2012
#102
Corporatists? You do know that Greenwald thinks Citizen's United was rightly decided, correct?
msanthrope
Jan 2012
#42
Thank you for posting the column that Greenwald wrote in support of the decision.
msanthrope
Jan 2012
#72
I'm not sure what "Constitutioon grounds" are. If you start a thread about it,
msanthrope
Jan 2012
#98
I cannot tell what being gay has to do with this thread, but I'm willing to hear your theory. nt
msanthrope
Jan 2012
#67
Please edit out your second word--it's against community standards, and your post
msanthrope
Jan 2012
#153
Wait, wait, wait--did you just post an article criticize Greenwald while arguing for the Iraq War on
Puregonzo1188
Jan 2012
#162
Let me get this straight--someone who supports the Iraq War and opposes the Islamic Community Center
Puregonzo1188
Jan 2012
#191
he must have struck a nerve if people are going to this much trouble to dig up dirt on him
yurbud
Jan 2012
#154
You insult the intelligence of DUers when you imply we will buy EVERYTHING someone says because we
yurbud
Jan 2012
#157
I think people coming here to decapitate our intellectual heroes are not to be trusted
librechik
Jan 2012
#180
I think he is a Libertarian who made his money being a pseudo-liberal/progressive.
msanthrope
Jan 2012
#187
"Libertarian who made his money being a pseudo-liberal/progressive". This is why I will always.....
Tarheel_Dem
Jan 2012
#188