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In reply to the discussion: Man left (wounded) fiance & kids at Aurora theater and drove away. Web is beating him up. [View all]treestar
(82,383 posts)236. A realization that humans are flawed
And we all are - most of us get to live a life without facing such a thing as this, but we like to think we'd do the most heroic thing. Yet we really can't know. But we get to pass judgment on this guy. Problem is we never faced what he faced. Most of us never will.
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Man left (wounded) fiance & kids at Aurora theater and drove away. Web is beating him up. [View all]
Liberal_in_LA
Jul 2012
OP
That article doesn't even mention a young guy who was wounded trying to help this woman
LisaL
Jul 2012
#1
Not judging him, since everyone has a different reaction in the face of danger
Cooley Hurd
Jul 2012
#2
I've heard it's situations like this when you find out what you're made of. He was a coward.
Honeycombe8
Jul 2012
#120
He was in a blind panic. Could you relate an instance when you were in a similar situation?
TalkingDog
Jul 2012
#165
I was with this guy up until the point he put his infant down and ran out of the theater.
Drunken Irishman
Jul 2012
#4
he left his babies to die! sorry, he gets no slack from me. his fiance should dump him.
ellenfl
Jul 2012
#49
sorry, i have to disagree. they're HIS KIDS. this says so much about his character . . .
ellenfl
Jul 2012
#55
Since he was holding his infant, if he just run from the theater with the infant,
LisaL
Jul 2012
#133
He found out just who he is at his core. He found out that he is a coward.
Honeycombe8
Jul 2012
#121
Yeah, it was a Costanza thing to do...BUT, not all of us rise to the occasion
TwilightGardener
Jul 2012
#18
Yeah...I was once so preoccupied that I pulled into a supermarket parking lot
TwilightGardener
Jul 2012
#22
I hope neither one of us are in that sort of situation to find out first-hand exactly what we'd do
REP
Jul 2012
#223
it's not him leaving the danger zone, but him driving home and how she had to call him
JI7
Jul 2012
#25
Since he is the one who gave interviews and told this story, why exactly should he be left alone?
LisaL
Jul 2012
#26
Yes, it was a gut reaction. His survival instincts kicked in. Now he knows: he's a coward at hiscore
Honeycombe8
Jul 2012
#124
i do - but i have situational awareness and extensive urban combat training.
datasuspect
Jul 2012
#232
If its fair for me to say that some people were brave then I think I can say he was cowardly.
aikoaiko
Jul 2012
#28
yes. he ran from theater. Another guy saved his family. He returned and proposed.
Liberal_in_LA
Jul 2012
#38
Two reactions: I have pity for him personally, but I like the public condemnation...
reformist2
Jul 2012
#35
There was plenty of pressure in days past in one's own community. We don't need THIS.
Zalatix
Jul 2012
#56
I think she is not getting more praise because people expect that a parent will try to save
LisaL
Jul 2012
#46
Coward: a person who lacks courage in facing danger, difficulty, opposition, pain, etc.
Honeycombe8
Jul 2012
#134
If you want to keep your mistakes private, it might help if you don't give interviews describing
LisaL
Jul 2012
#58
I am 100% sure that I would not leave my kids in an ocean if a shark was spotted.
Bonobo
Jul 2012
#64
The fact that other people might have reacted the same way doesn't make it NOT cowardly.
Honeycombe8
Jul 2012
#187
Not going to judge him, not until I am in his shoes. People are wired differently.
sabrina 1
Jul 2012
#61
And sometimes, a person whose arm is blown off will pick it up and attempt to stick it back on.
Poll_Blind
Jul 2012
#67
Nobody knows how they'll react to when the shit hits the fan till it actually does.
Kaleva
Jul 2012
#70
Again, if you don't want your issues to be aired in front of the world, don't go on TV
LisaL
Jul 2012
#136
When somebody tries to make it personal, I assume it's because they can't argue any other way.
LisaL
Jul 2012
#202
For all the idiots here cutting this guy some slack, I give you the wisdom of Chris Rock
NickB79
Jul 2012
#104
I hold no judgement of him. I cannot imagine what it must have been like in that theater.
FedUpWithIt All
Jul 2012
#109
I don't know why you need your own definition. Just read the one in the dictionary.
LisaL
Jul 2012
#173
True. Some seem to think that if they had done the same thing, that makes it not cowardly.
Honeycombe8
Jul 2012
#128
It is what coward means. Dropping a baby to save your own hide is disgusting.
alphafemale
Jul 2012
#144
wow...the sheer number of people on this thread giving this guy a pass
ProdigalJunkMail
Jul 2012
#119
I thought the same thing. People think that if they had done that, that would make it okay.
Honeycombe8
Jul 2012
#130
Who said it was okay? Who said leaving a baby in a crowded theatre full of gunfire was OKAY?
TalkingDog
Jul 2012
#206
It goes w/o saying he was in panic mode, just like everyone else. That's another way of trying
Honeycombe8
Jul 2012
#207
I think you put it best Iggo. None of us know what we would do in a panic. I would sure hope
southernyankeebelle
Jul 2012
#142
Yes your right. So what does that do? What is going to change for him? He already feels terrible
southernyankeebelle
Jul 2012
#193
No discuss all you want. I don't care. All am saying it isn't going to change what happened.
southernyankeebelle
Jul 2012
#204
Well, yes, until one is in danger, one is not going to find if he or she has courage or not.
LisaL
Jul 2012
#147
Did ANYONE else at the theatere throw down their babies to be trompled on, and run for the hills?
Honeycombe8
Jul 2012
#192
Cowardice: Failing to have courage in a dangerous situation. If a lot of people acted that way...
Honeycombe8
Jul 2012
#183
Well, if we are going with psychoanalysis. And what would be reasons for defending the guy?
LisaL
Jul 2012
#229
In my view, "the most heroic" thing would be go wrestle the gunman, or start saving strangers.
LisaL
Jul 2012
#240
um. two kids under 5 yo in a theatre after midnight? or did we already have that flame-fest?
KG
Jul 2012
#163
Their mother appears to be quite brave. She didn't run out of the theater without her children.
LisaL
Jul 2012
#179
yeah, one cable news has so many comments about the approprietness of two babies
Liberal_in_LA
Jul 2012
#231
" felt remorse and a bit of self-loathing " leave him alone. is my answer. i am sorry we have the
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#174
Again, if someone wants to be left alone, it's not a good idea to go on TV and give interviews.
LisaL
Jul 2012
#181
i dont feel the need.... to beat him up. i have never been much into the bullying
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#184
To call out something for what it is, is not bullying. Bullying is picking on an innocent victim...
Honeycombe8
Jul 2012
#189
If you go on TV and give interviews, you should expect that people will discuss it.
LisaL
Jul 2012
#191