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Great post!! Yes, Bernie is the only presidential candidate who has the honesty, integrity and

daring to come straight out and challenge the greatest evil that has been plaguing America for
the past 40 years. Bernie has thrown down the gauntlet at Corporate America!!

Have the elections and vote-counting been always fair and square - especialy the close ones?

Last week a Sanders supporter wrote here that she was taking part in the vote-count
at Polk County. When the results showed Sanders had 600 votes and Clinton 540, the
Clinton supporters asked the Sanders people to leave the premises, so that they could
count the votes alone!

Can there be any more direct admission than this that they were going to commit fraud
if left alone? How much more openly dumb than this can anyone get? I doubt it that
they did this out of stupidity. It's more likely they were so sure of receiving support
from higher up, that they just didn't give a damn. Maybe they were even rubbing it
in the faces of the Sanders people.

I am just wondering how widespread is this practice going on? If it happened at Polk
County, it could also happen anywhere else. Do the Sanders people insist on being
present to observe every single vote count? Are they also on the look-out for every
other imaginable type of dirty tricks? And can they do anything about them?

DWS's dirty scheduling of the Democratic Primary debates is known to everyone.

Hillary winning 6 out of 6 coin tosses. (There is 1 chance in 64 of winning all 6
tosses straight).

With these 3 examples staring at us in the face, how much fairness can Progressive
Democrats expect to receive from the Dem. Establishment, who make no bones about
favoring Clinton?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511477611

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511478847


"For once we have a candidate for The Rest of Us and

<< For ONCE we have a candidate for The Rest of Us and the party establishment does everything they can to discourage him.

The Democratic party has got to be aware of this trend. It appears they don't want to face it. Very backward thinking. >>

Orders from the Corporate Power people, perhaps? Bernie is out to cut down the Big Banks
to size, reform our present way of elections so that money will no longer play a role, have public universities charge no tuition fees ........ and so many other reforms that will reduce the
profits and power of the Corporate Power people. No way are they going to take it lying down.
They definitely are doing everything they can to get Bernie out.

We should also take into consideration that large numbers of Democrats have

left their Party because they could no longer take the status quo policy of the
Third Way Democrats who are in power now. Many have joined the Independents.
My guess is that these probably are among the ones who crossed over and helped
Bernie to win in Michigan, for example. I imagine most of the Democrats who left
their Party probably were Progressives. And the Democratic Establishment of
today has become largely made up of Third Way Democrats.

The Independents have recently become the largest "party" - larger than either
the Democratic or Republican Parties. Many dissatisfied Republicans have joined
the Independents, too. Yet, because the Independents are made up of many
smaller political entities, that most likely are not interested in and not capable of
uniting, it has not become a genuine political entity. I wonder if this situation will
gradually evolve and change into something else some day, although from my
present perspective, I don't see how this can be accomplished.

In Florida today 9,000 people attended Bernie's rally, whereas Hillary's rally

drew about 600. What would you think if next week's elections should show
a Hillary win in Florida?

There are already complaints of questionable election methods used in Polk
County, Iowa, on the part of Hillary supporters.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511478847

The Corporate Power People will never admit this - especially not to themselves: By killing

off the middle-classes, they are making profits hand over fist - but only INITIALLY. The
middle-classes are the ones who are coming out with the new ideas and inventing new
products. The corporate business execs. simply manipulate money to make more money.
They provide neither services nor can they invent new products. Most of the creative
and productive work are done by the middle-class people. The wealth of any nation
depends upon having enough middle-class people doing the creative and productive
work, which the elites, themselves, are not capable of doing. These dumb-assed
corporate elites don't even realize that they need the middle-classes for their own wealth
to keep on growing.

When the point of having too few middle-class people in the nation has been reached,
the productivity of our country can't help but go downhill. There will be less profits
for everyone -- including the Corporate Power people.

I don't think Hillary Clinton understands this point. She, too, sees no further than the
immediate profit that can be made now, and that is why she is so pally with Wall Street.

Bernie Sanders is the only one among the presidential candidates who is trying to make
sure that what we are doing today will not serve to destroy us in the future.

I also think it's possible that some of the psychopathic CEOs might not even care what
happens to our country in the future. They're focused only on the profit and the power
that can be bought with that profit RIGHT NOW. Nothing else matters to them.

I wonder if this makes any sense at all to the Hillary supporters here at DU. Is what I
am describing here right or wrong? If it does make some sense, isn't it about time to
make a change?

The rise and rule of Third-Wayers in the Democratic Party in the past 3+ decades

have resulted in not much else but failure. Third-Wayers just don't know how
to handle socio- and psychopaths. Appeasing them does no good at all. It
only makes them hungrier and wanting still more. There is no end to their
greed. It's a case of "give them an inch and they'll take a mile." Third-Wayers
have never learned this lesson: Sociopaths do respond to fear of punishment,
like anybody else. Don't appease them, but sock it to them when they break
the law. There is no other way of dealing with them.

A few examples of Third-Way or Republican-lite policies that resulted in harm
to us, the American people, over the past 3 decades:

1. Outsourcing of jobs to foreign countries by the millions for cheap labor,
which has increased the rate of joblessness at home.

2. Transfer of wealth from the middle-classes to the super-rich to an
extent never seen before, making the rich richer and the poor poorer.
Corporate Power people love this one, but they never even thank you.
They only want more -- and non-stop.

3. Loss of both Houses of Congress to the Republicans.

4. Loss of the majority of governorships to the Republicans.

5. The Corporations have become stronger than ever, enabling them to
increase their power of bribery and corruption over both Republicans and
Third-Way Democrats.

6. Corporations are capable, now more than ever, of buying politicians who
will do as these Corporate Power people tell them to do. They are the
ones who brought about the economic collapse of 2007 and 2008 in our
nation, where millions of Americans lost their homes, pharmaceutical
companies are charging Americans prices many times higher for their
products than they are charging for the same medicines abroad.

7. It is this moral degradation of America that Bernie Sanders will be
fighting against. He has promised to bring down the size of American
banks that have boasted of being "too big to fail." They are the ones
responsible for the housing scandals mentioned in paragraph 6 above
through dishonest use of their clients' money. I could go on and on,
but these examples will suffice for anyone to see - except for those who
deliberately choose to remain ignorant.

There are 3 main ways of responding to the corporations that are the
cause of the moral decline and decay of our nation:
a. Do nothing.
b. Join them and take part in the profits of their ill-gotten gains, and
c. Fight against corporate greed, corruption and lust for power. This
is what Bernie Sanders has chosen to do. And Republicans as well as
Republican-lites are afraid of him. Hence all their lies and underhanded
dealings to destroy him.

What are you choosing?

A recent Quinnipiac poll shows 67% of the people find Clinton "not honest and trustworthy,"

59% of the people find Trump "not honest and trustworthy." This shows that more people
trust Trump than Clinton!

The same poll shows 68% of the people find Bernie Sanders "honest and trustworthy."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/sanders-won-michigan-because-hes-honest_b_9416226.html

How is it possible for Clinton to win against Sanders when,

for the better part of a year, polls have consistently shown that when comparing Sanders or
Clinton to the Republican candidates in a hypothetical General Election, Sanders always beat
all of them every time, and by big margins; but Clinton almost always lost to all of them.
From this alone common sense and logic will bring one to the conclusion that Sanders has
a far better chance of winning the GE than Clinton.

Clinton supporters repeat the explanation that if Sanders should win the Democratic
nomination, the Republicans would slaughter him with their deluge of criticisms. I think
this is poor reasoning. Sanders knows how to answer back. When the GOP comes out with
its lies, he will openly point them out, and come out with the truth .

It is the American people who are voting, and lies or no lies, the American people like and
trust Bernie Sanders. The majority of the people know that he will do his best to pull our
country out of the moral gutter that we have been in since the past 3+ decades.

Polls have consistently shown for an adequate period of time that Bernie will beat any
Republican, and Hillary will lose. Yet the Establishment Democrats are doing their best
to bring Bernie down. We've already seen that the DNC has been very willing to play dirty
to help Clinton win, haven't we? Who knows what other tricks the DNC are playing right now?

Could it be that Establishment Democrats have gone so far to the right, that they would now
prefer to have a Republican rather than a Progressive for president? What other conclusions
can anyone else come up with?

You seem to be oblivious to the fact that the Republicans are having their problems

right now, too! They want to get rid of Donald Trump, but they don't know how. And
he knows it, and he doesn't care either! He only laughs at them, and at the Democrats, too.
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