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January 9, 2015

A New Progressive Era? Meet The LIBERALS FIGHTING For Control Of The Democratic Party (And Winning)


Here is Senator Sanders on CNN absolutely demolishing the kinds of right-wing talking points the show’s hosts try to slip in






Just like the Grinch was shocked to hear that he hadn’t ruined Christmas by stealing all of the presents, Republicans seem livid that their midterm election victories haven’t given way to the broken spirit of the Democratic Party. Just the opposite, in fact. In a way, the midterms are being hailed by many in the progressive movement as a wake up call. After years of running to the center, the Democrats seem poised to finally turn left. No serious discussion about a more liberal liberal party can take place without first mentioning the astonishing work Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) has done. Her populist, anti-big business message resonates with everyone (I suspect even many conservatives) in the wake of the financial collapse. At a time when big banks and megacorporations were begging to be allowed to start doing the same risky business that led to trillions of dollars in losses before, Warren is the voice of reason. A lighthouse warning those same ships away from the craggy rocks. Meanwhile, liberal outsiders are pushing at the Democrats to get their acts together. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) is showing them what an unapolegetic liberal looks like. Watching interviews with him is like seeing the progressive Id take human form and say all the things that lesser Democrats wouldn’t dream of speaking out loud.


The “proud liberal” seems almost extinct in modern politics, and that’s an absolute embarrassment. After all, considering how incredibly successful President Obama’s first six years in office have been, the notion that the majority of Democrats running for office during the 2014 midterms would shy away from his record is baffling. It’s no surprise that almost all of the ones who tried to hide from the president ended up losing by wide margins. They may have appeased some moderate Republicans by not posing for a photo with the president, but forgot to give liberals any reason to come out to the polls on Election Day. In a counter example, one Michigan politician bucked the trend and embraced Obama and defended his record. He won by a massive margin. But if the Democratic ship is adrift, then there is opportunity to let someone else lead it. Somebody different. Progressives are hoping to seize just such an opportunity. In a recent article by Sahil Kapur for Talking Points Memo, he notes how hard progressives have been fighting for a shot to get their voices heard:


Progressive advocates see the next two years through the prism of the coming 2016 race. They want Democrats to use their minority to lay down a sweeping populist agenda for the country ahead of the election, which could include breaking up the big banks, a major clean energy jobs bill or investments in education to let college students graduate debt free.

“Things like that will inspire people to vote,” [Progressive Change Campaign Committe co-founder Adam] Green said. “So the question is, what do we do in 2015 and 2016 toward that north star vision?”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/progressives-assert-control-democratic-party


Of course, despite the optimism, Democrats will have to struggle with an American voter who is at best apathetic towards politics in general and at worse, as we’ve seen in the midterms, bafflingly right-leaning. But within that frustration there are signs that even the American public is warming up to the idea of a new Progressive Era. The ink is still drying on a new Gallup poll that found that an astonishing 24 percent of Americans say they identify as “liberal.” It’s a record high and one that further supports the notion that liberals are coming out from the shadows and seizing the spotlight. To use the vernacular of the times, liberals might just be “having a moment.” Now is the time for Democratic politicians to recognize it, and like their liberal forebearers, use it to make a lasting, positive change on the nation.





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http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/01/09/a-new-progressive-era-meet-the-liberals-fighting-for-control-of-the-democratic-party-and-winning-video/
January 9, 2015

Senator Elizabeth Warren on the KEYSTONE XL PIPELINE




Senator Elizabeth Warren speaks at a Senate Energy and Natural Resources markup of Keystone XL pipeline legislation, on January 8, 2015.
January 9, 2015

Moderate Dems ANGRY That Warren Liberals Are RAINING ON THEIR PRO-BIZ PARADE





This is cute. The New Democrat Coalition—a "pro-growth, fiscally responsible" group of Democratic lawmakers—thinks the Democrats' "lack of pro-business messaging" is what hurt them in 2014:


Members also brought up concerns about the government spending bill that passed in December and the lack of pro-business messaging in the mid-term elections.

Okay, back to the story from Politico. Warring factions of congressional Democrats have emerged in the wake of the GOP's failed effort this week to delay certain provisions of Dodd-Frank (you know, the law that's meant to protect consumers from abuse by behemoth financial institutions).

Tension reached a boiling point during a closed-door caucus meeting Wednesday over the party’s stance toward Wall Street banks, according to multiple sources at the meeting. Liberal Massachusetts Rep. Mike Capuano incensed the moderates when he said if Democrats support rolling back Dodd-Frank regulations, “you might as well be a Republican.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/01/dem-moderates-liberals-lash-out-over-dodd-frank-114093.html

Moderate Democrats—who suddenly feel under siege after Sen. Elizabeth Warren put the klieg lights on the dark corners of efforts to empower business at the expense of taxpayers—are arguing that Democrats will be confined to minority status forever if they don't, well, moderate their efforts to protect consumers.

They were angered because that same legislation had garnered support from more than 70 Democrats in the 113th Congress, but became a political landmine after Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) criticized the legislation as a Wall Street handout.

This week, just 35 Democrats voted with Republicans to undermine Dodd-Frank, but it wasn't enough for passage. Rep. Capuano is not impressed with the moderates:

“I feel strongly that the Democratic body is supposed to be representing the average American who is unaware and incapable of defending themselves when it comes to things like Wall Street abusing them,” Capuano said in an interview. “I feel strongly about it and I said so.”

This story is still developing—at least in the sense that it will play out over and over straight through 2016 and then in perpetuity. The question isn't whether there will be warring factions—it's who has the momentum? Warren's efforts have clearly helped empower liberals who don't buy into the idea that winning elections means favoring business interests over those of regular folks. Nor does it represent good governance. Democrats lost the midterms because they failed to make the case to the American people that they had discernibly improved their lives. Wall Street handouts do nothing to help that case.



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/01/09/1356628/-Moderate-Dems-angry-that-Warren-liberals-are-raining-on-their-pro-biz-parade?showAll=yes
January 9, 2015

Which 28 OILY DEMOCRATS Just JOINED THE GOP to Vote for Keystone XL?

The House Republicans have been having an exciting week.

On Wednesday, they voted to roll back Dod-Frank.

Yesterday, they voted to weaken the Affordable Care Act.

And today, they voted to approve the Keystone XL pipeline.

And, as always, there are a number of Democrats happy to join them.

The Keystone vote today was 266 to 153, with one "PRESENT" vote. Justin Amash (MI-03) always votes present because, although he supports the pipeline, he does not believe that Congress should be passing legislation on behalf of a single company.



28 Democrats joined the Republican caucus in passing the bill:


Brad Ashford (NE-02)

Sanford Bishop (GA-02)

Bob Brady (PA-01)

Cheri Bustos (IL-17)

Jim Clyburn (SC-06)

Jim Cooper (TN-05)

Jim Costa (CA-16)

Henry Cuellar (TX-28)

Mike Doyle (PA-14)

Gwen Graham (FL-02)

Al Green (TX-09)

Gene Green (TX-29)

Sheila Jackson Lee (TX-18)

Dan Lipinski (IL-03)

David Loebsack (IA-02)

Sean Maloney (NY-18)

Patrick Murphy (FL-18)

Rick Nolan (MN-08)

Donald Norcross (NJ-01)

Colin Peterson (MN-07)

Cedric Richmond (LA-02)

Kurt Schrader (OR-05)

David Scott (GA-13)

Terri Sewell (AL-07)

Albio Sires (NJ-08)

Marc Veasey (TX-33)

Filemon Vela (TX-34)

Tim Walz (MN-01)



Ruben Hinojosa (TX-15) and Cedric Richmond (LA-02) were not in attendance but probably would have also voted YES had they been there.

The 153 NO votes is sufficient to sustain a veto, so this isn't going anywhere.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/01/09/1356646/-Which-28-Oily-Democrats-Just-Joined-the-GOP-to-Vote-for-Keystone-XL

January 9, 2015

How To DESTROY The Republican Party--Legally





This will be a short post: Allow the Republican Party to dismantle Social Security. It's important, of course, to make lots of noise decrying these attempts and making it clear that the Democratic party is totally opposed.


Sure, there are a lot of Democrats who will say it won't work, and it's definitely a risky strategy that could backfire.

But. If what we read in the media and on Daily Kos is right, the Tea Party is made up of old (read 65 or nearly 65), less than well-educated white people who have been paying into Social Security for years. Tell them that their benefits will be cut, or are being cut (or even eliminated), and we will see a backlash of unbelievable ferocity. Throw in Medicare and we'll have a revolution that will make the the original "Tea Party" look like a tea party.

The one caveat is that we need to make it clear that Democrats had nothing to do with this plan--it's all part of the Republican strategy to reduce taxes. These Tea Partyers will drop their "sanctity of life", less guvmint, more freedom, agenda in a New York minute.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/01/08/1356508/-How-to-Destroy-the-Republican-Party-legally
January 9, 2015

Sen. Warren’s Main Street CRUSADE To PRESSURE CLINTON


She isn’t running for president unless lightning strikes, but there’s something she’s already won—influence over financial appointments.




Should lightning strike and Hillary Clinton forgoes a presidential run, Democrats have a nominee in waiting. Elizabeth Warren’s shadow campaign is taking shape on Capitol Hill as Clinton moves closer to a decision that will highlight the divide in their party between Main Street and Wall Street. Warren may never formally enter the race. She doesn’t want to be a spoiler, and Clinton’s commanding lead in surveys of Democrats (66 percent) suggests a better way to influence the debate and move Clinton as the nominee to a more populist left, is for Warren to use her power within the party as a freshman senator to inflame or blow up issues to advance her agenda. Warren never shrinks from a fight where she believes she’s on the side of the little guy. She’s been known to say, “I love throwing rocks,” sometimes even when she’s cautioned against repercussions. Her stand against the nomination of investment banker Antonio Weiss to a top position at the Treasury Department stalled the appointment and created bad blood with the White House, forcing President Obama to re-nominate him in the new Congress.



“They believe in Weiss, and they don’t want to be pushed around on this,” says Matt Bennett, a co-founder of Third Way, a centrist Democratic group. Weiss is likely to get confirmed even as Warren and a handful of other progressive Democrats vote no. But Warren’s very public fight against the influence of Wall Street within the administration bloodied the White House, and key aides are less likely to cut her out of the loop again on key appointments, having just experienced how much grief she can cause for Obama with his Democratic base. The fight over Weiss teed up a nomination more to Warren’s liking when Obama announced on Tuesday that Allan Landon, the former CEO of Bank of Hawaii, would fill one of two vacancies on the Federal Reserve Board of Governors. Landon led a bank with under $10 billion assets, a far cry from the too-big-to-fail investment behemoths that populate Wall Street. Camden Fine, president and CEO of the Independent Community Banks of America, lauded the choice of Landon, noting that because of the backlash on Weiss, “The White House is worried enough on the Federal Reserve they’ve called me three times in the last few days vetting the nomination.”



Fine says his opposition to Weiss is nothing personal; it’s just that “community banks are pretty much fed up with every single senior post at the Treasury Department going to people right out of Wall Street.” Out of 16 assistant secretaries, 15 were former partners or senior executives of investment firms during the bailout years in 2008 and 2009. According to a Treasury spokesman, however, there are now no "prominent Wall Street figures currently serving at the Treasury Department. Treasury's senior staff represents a wide range of public and private sector experience, including those who have spent the vast majority of their careers in public service at places like the Federal Reserve, on Capitol Hill and in state financial regulation." It’s cultural, Fine says, a pattern that goes back to the Clinton era of Robert Rubin and Larry Summers, and it’s been the accepted practice since, with few voices challenging Wall Street orthodoxy. There are a lot more community banks, 6,500 in all. Their assets are small compared to the top 20 Wall Street firms, but they are everywhere, they are Main Street, and they didn’t leverage the debt that caused the global meltdown. The Big Five banks dubbed too big to fail, are 35 percent bigger than they were when the meltdown was triggered.






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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/08/sen-warren-s-main-street-crusade-to-pressure-clinton.html
January 9, 2015

House Democrats SUCCESSFULLY BLOCK Republican EFFORT TO DELAY Wall Street Reforms




Despite the fact that 35 House Democrats voted with Republicans to gut the Volcker Rule and other key parts of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform law, the bill failed. That's in large part thanks to Republican arrogance in assuming they could pass the bill quickly as a suspension. That would have prevented the bill from being open to amendments, but it also required a two-thirds majority vote. Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi managed to deny that by rallying enough Democrats to defeat it.


The bill would have allowed banks to hang onto billions of dollars in risky collateralized loan obligations for two additional years by amending the Volcker Rule, which is part of the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial reform law. The rule bans banks from speculating in securities markets with taxpayer funds, requiring them to dump their CLO holdings. A Volcker Rule delay would be a major boon to the nation's largest banks. Between 94 and 96 percent of the domestic CLO market is held by banks with at least $50 billion in assets, according to federal regulators, who value the market at between $84 billion and $105 billion.


The vote was a major test of the Democratic Party's willingness to fight financial deregulation. In December, Congress passed a $1.1 trillion budget bill that included subsidies for risky derivatives trades, the complex contracts at the heart of the 2008 meltdown. Pelosi, Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) had organized resistance to that legislation, only to be narrowly outgunned by personal lobbying late into the night from President Barack Obama and JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon. Passing another deregulatory measure on the second day of the new Congress would have been a serious blow to the financial reform wing of the Democratic Party and emboldened GOP efforts to repeal Dodd-Frank.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/07/democrats-volcker-rule_n_6432496.html



Pelosi got 80 percent of the Democratic caucus to oppose the bill and stop it—an impressive feat when pro-Wall-Street bills regularly get 100 more Democratic votes. But this Republican Congress shouldn't be getting any Democratic votes, ever. And Democrats should not be voting with Wall Street and against Main Street, ever. It's encouraging that Pelosi—along with opposition from President Obama—stopped this one, but Republicans will be back with it, and it will likely pass. But it shouldn't do so with any Democratic help.



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/01/08/1356391/-House-Democrats-successfully-block-Republican-effort-to-delay-Wall-Street-nbsp-reforms
January 8, 2015

Huckabee 2016: BEND OVER And TAKE IT Like a Prisoner!


Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee has released a new book that is part fiscal conservative ideology and part Shawshank Redemption.






Great American leaders have long contributed profound thoughts of tremendous consequence to the public discourse.

Roosevelt: "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

Kennedy: "Mankind must put an end to war — or war will put an end to mankind."

Reagan: "Trust, but verify."

And now, similarly, former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee: "Bend over and take it like a prisoner!"




Earlier this week, Huckabee ended his Fox News talk show so he could spend time mulling another bid for the Republican nomination. If the contents of Huckabee's latest book - due out January 20th - are any indication, the overarching message of that campaign will be that the government is, um, having its way with the American public in a method that Huckabee, a Christian conservative, finds rather repulsive. "Bend Over and Take it Like a Prisoner!" is the title of the 10th chapter of Huckabee's 12th book, God, Guns, Grits, and Gravy - which, as a whole, is an achievement in the genre of poorly written pandering. The chapter, ostensibly about the TSA and IRS, is a soaring crescendo of latent homosexuality homoeroticism cloaked in almost libertarian – but not libertine! – conservatism.


It opens with Huckabee's dramatic recollection of going through security at the airport. "Where else would I be ordered to stand still, put up my hands, and have my personal belongings taken and searched without a warrant or probable cause?" He asks. "After years of this indignity, much of the flying public thinks little of it, and they usually don't complain. They just dutifully stand there, bend over, and take it like a prisoner." Clickbait title notwithstanding, Bend Over and Take It Like a Prisoner! is not devoid of substance. Although Huckabee's condescending tone - like that of an elementary school history teacher - makes it difficult to take seriously. He takes aim at the Department of Homeland Security and the USA Patriot Act: "…did anyone anticipate that not many terrorists would really get punished as a result of this act, but that American citizens would?" He then quotes Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."


"What would Ben say today?" Huckabee wonders. "Would he cheerfully go through a full-body scanner that electronically strip-searched him and then allow a federal agent to put his blue-gloved hands inside his pants and over his thighs, crotch, and upper body for the sake of domestic travel on a privately owned commercial carrier? I'll bet you a Benjamin that he most certainly would not. (Come to think of it, though, kite flying Ben would definitely be in awe of this and every other use of…electricity! Also airplane flight, but I digress.)" Huckabee then basically reprints - in full - a few Politico Magazine articles by former TSA agent Jason Edward Harrington, because he has space to fill (later in the book, he writes out the lyrics to Simple Life by Lynyrd Skynyrd,). He then provides some insight into his psyche - complete with Animal House reference. While excoriating the IRS, Huckabee brings his readers along on a flashback to his youth.

"They remind me of a sadistic coach at my high school who used to enjoy 'giving licks' to teen boys for any infraction of his rules. Just so you know, 'giving licks' was the term used to describe the coach hitting the butt of a student with a short-handled boat paddle, riddled with holes to minimize wind resistance and enhance striking power…The coach had a rule that if you got a 'lick' you were required to say, 'Thanks, coach, may I have another one?' And most often he would say, 'Sure,' and pop you again. One might get three or four before the coach finally said, 'No, I think you've had enough,' and stop his twisted abuse of a helpless adolescent. Whenever I think of the IRS, I see that coach standing with his paddle, expecting em to say, 'Thanks, IRS, may I have another one?’"






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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/08/huckabee-2016-bend-over-and-take-it-like-a-prisoner.html
January 8, 2015

HALL OF SHAME: 35 Dems Voted Yesterday To ROLL BACK DODD-FRANK Provisions


Oh, come on. Wouldn't you rather get one big fat check than ask all the people you represent?




UPDATE: It was 35 Dems. List has been updated.


From Crew of 42, Lauren Victoria Burke points out that the Congressional Black Caucus, whose members were accused last year of selling out to Wall Street -- had only five defectors on this bill. Meanwhile, there were plenty of white Members who voted to gut Dodd-Frank:



The five CBC members had tons of Democratic caucasian caucus company in the form of 30 House Dems who joined Republicans to roll back Dodd-Frank protections. Why any member of the Democratic party who isn’t representing Greenwich, CT or Manhattan is voting YES would be a fun question to ask each one of them. Is there a hidden group of Wall Streeters living in Iowa or Nebraska? I would tend to doubt that.


Standing with Goldman-Sachs and Wall Street has become the theme for a party that’s basing candidate recruitment on who can raise cash rather than who can actually win elections. Think that’s one and the same? Go see who raised the most money during the 2014 cycle and who won the election.


The Dodd-Frank rollback in the CRomnibus and the one voted on yesterday provide evidence of who’s fundraising from the House floor and who isn’t. Even stranger: If New York members with Wall Streeters in their district as constituents voted NO (See: Carolyn Maloney, Greg Meeks, and Jerold Nadler who all voted NO) — what are Reps. Loebsack (D-Is there a Wall Street in Davenport Iowa?), Suzan DelBene (D-Is there a Goldman Sachs office in Washington?) and freshman Rep. Brad Ashford (Nebraska?) doing voting YES?


Freshman Rep. Gwen Graham (D-FL) is out of the box fast to show she can vote the opposite way of the Democratic party. It took over eight million dollars for Graham to barely win. Let’s see how she does in 2016 in a red district voting for Wall Street. Here are the 35 Democrats who assisted Republicans with their latest effort to scale back Dodd-Frank consumer protections:



Brad Ashford (NE-02)

Ami Bera (CA-07)

Don Beyer (VA-08)

Sanford Bishop (GA-02)

Julia Brownley (CA-26)

Cheri Bustos (IL-17)

John Carney (DE-AL)

Gerry Connolly (VA-11)

Henry Cuellar (TX-28)

John Delaney (MD-06)

Suzan DelBene (WA-01)

Elizabeth Esty (CT-05)

Bill Foster (IL-11)

John Garamendi (CA-03)

Gwen Graham (FL-02)

Jim Himes (CT-04)

Hank Johnson (GA-04)

Derek Kilmer (WA-06)

Ron Kind (WI-03)

Rick Larsen (WA-02)

Dan Lipinski (IL-03)

David Loebsack (IA-02)

Sean Maloney (NY-18)

Patrick Murphy (FL-18)

Scott Peters (CA-52)

Collin Peterson (MN-07)

Jared Polis (CO-02)

Mike Quigley (IL-05)

Raul Ruiz (CA-36)

Bobby Rush (IL-01)

Kurt Schrader (OR-05)

David Scott (GA-13)

Terri Sewell (AL-07)

Kyrsten Sinema (AZ-09)

Albio Sires (NJ-08)





http://crooksandliars.com/2015/01/hall-shame-30-dems-voted-yesterday-roll
January 8, 2015

Elizabeth Warren TAKES AIM At Bill And Hillary Clinton



-"..Joe Trippi, a senior adviser in past Democratic presidential campaigns, said, “It looks increasingly to me like she’s thinking about actually making a run, but at the same time not taking the steps necessary to actually pull it off.” He added, “She’s got to start putting a campaign effort together or an organization together...”




Sen. Elizabeth Warren called Wednesday for Democrats to adopt a muscular form of liberalism in a speech that included thinly veiled jabs at Bill and Hillary Clinton as examples of economic stewardship gone wrong. Ms. Warren repeated assertions in a speech to an enthusiastic labor audience in Washington that the U.S. political system is “rigged’’ in favor of wealthy corporations at the expense of everyday families, an argument that has made her a darling of the left and the subject of efforts to draft her as a presidential candidate. But her use of Clinton-era policies as a foil was notable, coming as liberals look for an alternative to Mrs. Clinton, whom they view as too friendly to business. It also marks a challenge to conventional Democratic thinking that Mr. Clinton presided over a boom that stands as a model of economic leadership. One person firmly in this camp is Mrs. Clinton, who is expected to announce her presidential candidacy in the coming months. In public appearances last year, Mrs. Clinton would often tout her husband’s job-creation record. While Ms. Warren, a Democrat from Massachusetts, has said she isn’t running for president, the speech suggested she sees a role for herself in the campaign, even if mostly as a voice calling for a greater focus on income inequality and tougher Wall Street regulation. Without mentioning him by name, Ms. Warren made an allusion to Mr. Clinton’s famous disavowal of “big government” and his decision in 1999 to sign a bill that deregulated parts of the financial sector, lifting constraints on banks and other institutions.


“Pretty much the whole Republican Party—and, if we’re going to be honest, too many Democrats—talked about the evils of ‘big government’ and called for deregulation,” she said at an AFL-CIO event devoted to U.S. wages. “It sounded good, but what it was really about was tying the hands of regulators and turning loose big banks and giant international corporations to do whatever they wanted to do.’’



Ms. Warren also made a reference to a part of Mrs. Clinton’s past. As first lady of Arkansas, Mrs. Clinton spent six years on the board of directors of Wal-Mart Stores Inc. Ms. Warren described company workers earning wages too low to feed their families. While corporate profits are rising, store employees “still need food stamps to put groceries on the table,” she said. Dick Harpootlian, former Democratic Party chairman in South Carolina, said: “What she’s doing is putting a stake in the ground and saying the policies during the Clinton years were good for the economy in general but not good for average Americans.” A Clinton spokesman declined to comment, as did the Democratic National Committee. A Republican National Committee spokeswoman called Ms. Warren’s speech to the AFL-CIO “an awkward address,” because she opposes building the Keystone XL pipeline, while the labor group favors constructing it. Ms. Warren didn’t address the proposed pipeline in her remarks. A representative for the Chamber of Commerce said: “Obviously Sen. Warren continues to believe that the government is the source of all prosperity and economic growth in this country. As an organization who represents America’s actual job creators, we disagree with that.” Ms. Warren focused squarely on a theme that figures to be prominent in the 2016 race: disparities in wealth and the belief among many Americans that their children will face tougher economic struggles. A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll in November showed that 56% of Americans agreed with the statement that the political system “is stacked against people like me.”



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http://www.wsj.com/articles/elizabeth-warren-takes-aim-at-democrats-republicans-1420642851

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