The oozing hypocrisy of Bernie Sander's supporters

[ProudToBeLiberal]

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Earlier today, we find out that Senator Sanders has been using a private charter jet, the gulfstream 200 to travel to events across the country. The majority of the Bernie Sander's supporters are shrugging their shoulders and saying this isn't a big deal.

However, when it comes to Hillary Clinton, there is a double standard. Bernie Sander's supporters gleefully attacked and attacked again Clinton for using a private jet to travel.

The hypocrisy is oozing from the Bernie Sander's supporters. They vehemently shrug off Bernie Sander's usuage of a private jet to travel around, but they attack Secretary Clinton viciously for using a private jet.

The double standard is astounding and sickening. I would like a mea culpa and apology from the Bernie Sander supporters to the Clinton supporters.

[boston bean]

1. IOKIYABSer

[hobbit709]

2. People in hell want ice water too.

and I wouldn't saying anything too loudly about "oozing hypocrisy"

[Scootaloo]

3. Yup, he took four flights in a private jet during holiday season.

Clinton travels everywhere by private jet.

These things are exactly the same.

*cough*

[ProudToBeLiberal]

6. Wait, so it's more about the quantity and not quality?

Bernie Sander supporters have been going on and on about the qualitative aspect of the campaign and ignoring the quantitative aspects. Now, all of a sudden they are embracing it? Woah, color me surprised!

[Scootaloo]

29. I'm explaining to you that there is a substantive difference between the two situations

example A) A presidential candidate who usually flies commercial hiring a private jet to travel the campaign trail during the businest flight-times of the year.

example b) a presidential candidate who uses private jets like a 12 year old uses a bicycle.

If this is the best example of "hypocrisy" you've got, well damn. You might as well not bother, then.

[ms liberty]

36. This. n/t

[ProudToBeLiberal]

50. please go on. nt

[Scootaloo]

55. Already went. it's your turn.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

57. I accede to your expertise. Please go on. nt

[AgingAmerican]

104. Maybe this will help

[daleanime]

156. Yes, I find it very helpful....

[Roland99]

174. Bazinga!

[Plucketeer]

181. This is great!

Maybe they'll see the correlation........ maybe - maybe not.

[artislife]

88. Have I told you lately how much I love you?

Well, I do. Happy New Year!

[Scootaloo]

92. You too, Artislife!

[ProudToBeLiberal]

93. Thanks. Happy New Years! nt

[artislife]

97. Read who I was replying to....it wasn't you.

But Happy New Year, anyway.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

103. Awww man :( nt

[liberalhistorian]

145. Thank you,

well said!

[MADem]

162. Yeah, there's a substantive difference between a former first ranked Cabinet official who

was also once the FLOTUS who is entitled to SS coverage as a consequence of that duty, and a back bencher second-term senator who used to be a back-bencher representative from one of the least populated states in the country.

Yep, there's a difference!

And it IS hypocrisy when you pretend that there is no difference, and that HRC should sit in the middle seat in coach "Just Because Bernie" or something.

[Fawke Em]

187. The Secret Service can and does fly commercially with its protectees.

Why can't she fly first class?

She has before.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/even-when-flying-the-public-clinton-keeps-it-private

[MADem]

192. And then you'd cry when people inevitably get bumped to accommodate them.

Why -- and this is key -- do YOU give a shit?

Please explain this? I'd really like to know why this matters to you so much. And then, after you gripe about her flying privately, you offer a link that shows her flying commercially on a "no class" airline--and you're still squawking? It's not like you're paying for her travel, so why do you care? These are CAMPAIGN expenditures--if her campaign can afford it, get OVER it -- or donate more to Bernie so HE can fly privately (as he has been doing, lately) too.

You think--in a hairshirt kind of way--that it's PREFERABLE for Clinton to disrupt commercial air transportation during a busy travel season, when clearly she has the resources available to NOT be a pest and get all those poor people on those cheap tickets bumped? Or would you PREFER that she do that, so you've got something else to complain about?

She used to take the Delta shuttle all the time when she was a Senator--so did Bill, when he was the "husband of a Senator." Of course, if someone had to wait for the next shuttle, or if they didn't 'put on' an extra or larger plane to accommodate the people who got shoved to the back of the line, there'd be whining.

So--she's damned if she does, and damned if she doesn't? She can hire a private plane, and charge it to her campaign, or she can go commercial, and charge her protective detail's tickets to We, The People.

IIRC, the government only pays for Business Class--not First. Your linked article talks about Clinton riding in a plane that has NO "classes" so I don't understand why you're even talking about first class and then offering a link that says The EXACT OPPOSITE. From YOUR link:

An older man knocked on the glass like he was tapping on a fish tank and Clinton turned to give a big, enthusiastic wave. She made an “OK” sign with her thumb and ring finger and smiled. A moment later, she was lead onboard and took a window seat in the first row. The small commuter plane had only one class. ... The seats around were filled by Secret Service agents, and then campaign staff further back. No one approached her during the short flight.

Upon arrival, Clinton and her entourage were quickly whisked off the plane. Inside, Chicago’s O’Hare airport, she was almost immediately surrounded by onlookers and fans. She paused for a few selfies and to shake some hands, but an aide told fans they were in a rush and Clinton got moving.

The former secretary of state pulled her own black wheeled suitcase with a pink purse balanced on top. Over her should hung a green tote bag from Lardee’s, a small gift shop she visited earlier in the afternoon where she purchased a book and two toys.

[passiveporcupine]

69. I have not slammed Hillary for using jets

But I have a question. Has she used commercial air travel at all, or only jets?

Campaigns are hectic and schedules can be damning, and Bernie is trying to stay in the senate where his job is, which means trying to get places quickly for campaign events and then get home quickly too. And he has a larger entourage now than at the beginning, so trying to get everyone to the campaign events quickly is getting harder as we get closer to the primary.

So, it's understandable that jets are becoming the most efficient way to travel. Still, when not necessary, Bernie still chooses to travel by commercial plane and not in first class. I admire that in him.

Has Hill done that since she lived in the White house? I doubt it.

[Thinkingabout]

111. No, she has used a bus also.

[passiveporcupine]

119. That's good

where did she travel by bus, and with whom? Was it on the campaign?

Was it someplace close to home? Like maybe too close to fly to? Just curious.

[Thinkingabout]

123. Guess you was not following Hillary when she started her campaign.

Do a search, many knows where she started and where she went, it was on the news cycles.

[passiveporcupine]

131. I were not following Hillary? Yeah, you are right about that.

Title grammar is deliberate.

OK, she took a road trip (over 1000 miles) by scooby van. That is not the same thing as driving from point A (New York) to point B (Iowa) without stops in between. It would be impractical to take a road trip without using it for many stops on the way...which is the purpose of a road trip.

Sanders probably doesn't have the time to do a road trip like that, as he is still trying to maintain his Senate job. Hillary has all the time she needs...she does not have a job.

[pnwmom]

139. What do you mean "commercial air travel" OR "only jets"?

Many jets are used in commercial air travel.

[passiveporcupine]

143. I know I said I don't like snark, but

this one is so tempting.

I'm going to be good and not say anything.

[pnwmom]

152. If by 'jets" you mean "private jets" then the answer is

yes, she uses commercial travel. But with her SS requirements, that probably means displacing some other passengers. Not something most people would be happy about, I would think.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/even-when-flying-the-public-clinton-keeps-it-private

[passiveporcupine]

159. you are a selective reader?

I already addressed this in this thread, in response to another poster mentioning the SS.

[MADem]

158. She used to take the shuttle from NYC to DC all the time.

How do I know? I sat a few rows away from her. More than once.

From what I understand, Bill used to take the shuttle too after he left office.

That was when she was in the Senate. The shuttle was run by DELTA.

[passiveporcupine]

160. And she had SS with her on the shuttle?

[MADem]

175. Their talent is that they're innocuous, but I do believe they were onboard as well.

As they should be.

I didn't ask, of course. I took my seat and shut up. Post Nahn Wun Wun, especially, there was a prohibition against doing ANYTHING on that shuttle, pretty much--you had to stay seated until you were way the hell away from DC, and way before you got there--and there were air marshals on most if not all flights too back then. In effect, if you were a smart commuter, you peed before you got on the plane, you put on your seatbelt, and you didn't get up until the plane landed and they allowed you to unfasten that seatbelt and deplane.

I will say, she looked ABFAB in person--her eyes are very blue and she had skin like BUTTAH!!! She didn't ask for any special treatment, didn't pester the FAs, and she looked like she was doing work enroute.

[passiveporcupine]

178. I can see why that might be easier on the SS

Than protecting her on a large commercial airliner. The smaller the situation to be contained, the easier. I would not expect her to travel on a large commercial airliner with SS. I really wish it wasn't necessary for people to have to have security for life, after they left office. I know I would not want that in my life.

[CSStrowbridge]

129. Hillary Clinton...

Hillary Clinton was asked by a daughter to talk to her father, who was a Trump supporter.

Bernie Sanders gave cover to millions of racist Trump supporters.

According to many Bernie Sanders supporters, these were exactly the same thing.

[Scootaloo]

137. Still waiting to see Sanders giving cover to racism.

Clinton's supporters keep saying it, but refuse to show it.

[liberalhistorian]

150. That's because there's

nothing to show and they know it.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

164. For my part, I'm flogging the hell out of those statements.

I'm doing so in an attempt to highlight LIES, and it works. The casual reader may see a reply with a subject line about Sanders giving cover to racism, but if I've seen that post, that casual reader will also see lots of obnoxious ALL-CAPS challenges to the person who made the accusation. They inevitably either run or change the subject; such is the quality of their character.

[sufrommich]

4. This one is just as bad:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=956806



Compare to this:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251930864

[seabeyond]

19. Wow. Lol. Nt.

[Sheepshank]

30. The hillarious hypocrisy continues

Bernie is always.........
Bernie never.......
The absolutes touted as a strong point in Bernie's favor really doesn't make Bernie look better, it make his supporters look like foolish lemmings

[stevenleser]

165. This is the problem with trying to appear holier than thou, you have to keep it up

All of those photos of Sanders riding coach now make him and his campaign and those who reposted them look stupid and like hypocrites.

And of all jets a freaking Gulfstream, the Rolls Royce of corporate jets.

[MADem]

201. Frankly, any candidate who has to ride in the MIDDLE SEAT of a coach airplane

has easily the SHITTIEST campaign staff going. By FAR. No contest.

Who in their right mind would book their principal into a middle seat? That's piss poor planning, no matter what way you slice it--it's either massive cheap-i-tude, or stupidity. Or lack of planning--"Shit, I forgot to book the ticket...oooooh nooooo!"

It doesn't make the candidate look "cool," it makes it look like he has incapable and incompetent staff.

Which makes you wonder how good he'd be at picking a cabinet....

[ForgoTheConsequence]

5. Oh lawd....

[MoonRiver]

10. I know, it's pretty hard to have reality smack you in the face.

But, hey, you'll get over it, baby.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

27. REALITY, PRIVATE JETS, HYPOCRISY, PHONY OUTRAGE!

[Perogie]

147. Grow up

[MineralMan]

7. You won't be getting that apology.

Presidential candidates use private jets. They have to. They have too many places to go that aren't served well by the airlines, frankly. Nobody should be criticizing any presidential candidate for using them during campaigns. Period.

Bernie flies commercial flights when he can. That doesn't make him a better candidate.

Hypocrisy? Of course. That's the name of the game when it comes to politics. Praise the one you like and bash the one you don't. It's just too damned bad, I think.

[Old Codger]

42. Yes

Absolutely right nothing at all wrong with using a means of transportation that fits the need. They all do it when necessary..

[rogerashton]

49. I partly agree.

It is absurd to criticize a candidate for using private jets. But it doesn't seem to take very much to set off the outrage reflex on the part of Hillariacs. The regular use of private jets is connected to money, and there is a real difference between the candidates on the source of their money. The jet is only symbolic of the money, of course -- and yes, symbolism is always part of politics -- but that doesn't make it hypocrisy. So, quite right, there will be no apology because none would be appropriate. Nevertheless, thanks for your measured position.

[passiveporcupine]

163. The outrage level is high

for Bernie supporters too.

None of us can hold our own behavior up as a banner. We are all acting like children.

Ugh...I hope this season is over quickly. And I hope the outrage and vengeance dies off quickly after the general election.

[tammywammy]

67. Hillary also has to travel with Secret Service personnel.

I don't understand any of the hoopla around the use of private jets.

[passiveporcupine]

78. good point.

Didn't think of that when I posted above. Not that she can't be served by her security on a commercial flight, but it wouldn't be as easy or as safe.

[LiberalLovinLug]

135. I agree

We don't agree on candidates, but jeez...some of your compadres are reaching so far its embarrassing.

I would go even further that you. Hillary is also an ex-First Lady. She SHOULD be traveling with a little more security, like a private jet, than other candidates. This is a red herring issue.

But to paint all Bernie supporters as "hypocrites" because a few of the more enamored had complained and now a Hillary supporter finds one example of the same behaviour on the "other" side? It smacks of desperation and pettiness. And it also reminds me of a favorite Republican reflection tactic: "but but but, THEY do it too!"

Both the more ardent Sanders supporters, and the enamored Hillary backers, should stop deifying their choice so completely that even vehicles of transportation before the primaries becomes an issue to decide national leadership abilities.

[dlwickham]

173. but he sits in the middle seat!

that right there is a reason to vote for him

*sarcasm*

[daleanime]

8. and don't forget 'condescending'....

or 'elitist'....

or 'sexist'.....

or 'volvo-driving'.....

or 'racist'....

or......

[guillaumeb]

9. Nice language. "Oozing hypocrisy".

I like the title but agree with Mineral Man. Concentrate more on positions. Do you still want a mea culpa, or perhaps a mea maxima culpa?

[roguevalley]

11. if this is all ya got, Hillarians, prepare to lose

[guillaumeb]

18. But one must admit that "oozing hypocrisy" is an excellent title for a post. eom

[artislife]

90. The outrage and trampled feelings of the h supporters....nt

[ProudToBeLiberal]

17. Thank you, I take pride in my attention grabbing titles.

Though, they shouldn't take away from the substance of my post. There is a lot of hypocrisy from the Sander's supporters. They act high and mighty, but the double standard is astounding. They attack Hillary Clinton, while turning a blind eye from Bernie Sander's actions.

[guillaumeb]

22. There is double standard on both sides. At least at the posts that I have read.

Again, let the best candidate win the primaries, and may the Democrat win in November 2016.

[murielm99]

128. Oh, that old standby...

both sides do it.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

168. You act as though "that old standby" renders "both sides do it" as untrue.

However, you've completely failed to make a case for your implication. Both sides do it.

[guillaumeb]

183. When both sides engage in the same tactics,

what is it called? Business as usual? Politics?

[Ghost Dog]

45. Mr. Sanders's surname is Sanders.

Please try also to pay attention to and take pride in basic English grammar and respect for others' proper names.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

53. Thank you for pointing out the superficial error and not addressing the main point of the OP. nt

[OilemFirchen]

176. Possessives of proper names ending in "s" require only an apostrophe.

Thus Sanders' would be appropriate.

Snark withheld in the spirit of the new year.

[Old Codger]

12. desperation

Is sad

[Sheepshank]

33. "Desperation" I don't think it means what you think it means. nt

[Old Codger]

38. LOL

a state of despair, typically one that results in rash or extreme behavior

[Sheepshank]

44. We support a candidate who is 30 points ahead of your candidate

Exactly why are you thinking there is desperation?

[Old Codger]

47. Oooozing is pretty desperate

But then again being 30 points ahead and losing is pretty hard to take isn't it

[Scootaloo]

54. because you guys keep running around like your head is on fire and your ass is catching.

But I suppose some of that can be explained via those irrational responses I talked to you about

[leftofcool]

113. Yea, sort of like data theft.

[tularetom]

13. "Oozing hypocrisy"??!?

That's the worst kind!

Well, "suppurating" hypocrisy might be more graphic, but that was pretty good for a first try.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

21. ty. nt

[Ferd Berfel]

35. Oozing desperation

Oozing hypocrisy is telling people (and possibly believing yourself) that you and your kids will matter to her more than her
Wall Street transnational puppet masters - when push comes to shove

[nc4bo]

52. Bought and paid for many times over.

Off the issues and back to poop flinging they go.

It really is all they have.

[Phlem]

39. I think Bernie can prescribe some ointment for that.

[Ned Flanders]

101. Some kind of primordial Cthulhu thing?

"oozing" caught my attention too. I guess we're like some kind of Lovecraftian slime monster, oozing hypocrisy over everyone we see.

So we got caught in the myth of "Sanders doesn't use a private jet." I try to stay informed, but it really isn't a big deal that the cult of Sanders got exaggerated a bit. I apologize most profoundly for being fooled into thinking that Sanders only uses private jets on rare occasions.

Now show me a picture of HRC sitting in the middle seat, lol.

[beam me up scottie]

130. It's projection. I think the op is spreading their own festering ooze around GDP.

Careful, it might be contagious!

From now on I'm going to refer to them as the Oozer.

[Ferd Berfel]

146. ...or sitting in Coach

[madokie]

14. This is a new one on me

All I've read so far says he is flying coach.

methinks someone is full of shit is what I think

[Fla Dem]

66. Here ya go...."Sanders changed his routine and flew almost exclusively on private chartered planes"

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-taking-rides-private-planes/story?id=36033253

Bernie Sanders has entered a new stage of his campaign. The Vermont senator, who is running for president on a populist message and often speaks passionately about environmental issues, was for months regularly seen flying in coach class on commercial flights.

There is even a community of photos on Twitter, under the hashtag #SandersOnAPlane, where fans have posted photos after seeing him fly. There will likely be fewer photos of a luggage-wielding Sanders moving forward.

This holiday season, Sanders changed his routine and flew almost exclusively on private chartered planes with members of his traveling staff -- taking at least four trips.

Most recently, the campaign confirmed, a Gulfstream 200, took the Senator and some staff from Burlington, Vermont two days after Christmas and then from Las Vegas, Nevada to Moline, Illinois for campaign events in eastern Iowa this week.

snip

"ABC News asked Sanders about whether the extremely high per-person carbon footprint of private planes was consistent with his staunch environmental policies. Sanders often talks about the need for “bold” action on climate change and even criticized the recent international Paris Accord for not going far enough to curb carbon emissions.

“The carbon footprint? As opposed to what?” the 74-year-old Senator said recently. “We are trying to get around Iowa and get around the country as best we can. So we have a lot of people to see and that is the best way can do it.”

More at link

[passiveporcupine]

94. You left out the best part

taking at least four trips.

[madokie]

127. burning up the sky ain't he

if this is the best that hillarians can come up with I'm confident we have nothing to worry about

Bernie Sanders is our next President

[Gore1FL]

15. Fortunately, I will be voting for Sanders and not his supporters.

I suspect more than a few who feel fortunate that they are voting for Hillary and not her supporters.

[Hoyt]

16. Fine with Sanders flying private jets. I do get tired of the photo-ops of him using the cheap seats

on commercial flights. I think the photo/videos of Carter carrying his own bags helped get him elected the first time. Obviously, not the only reason, but that was something new. The second time, he would have needed to shoot an Iranian to get elected with the lies the GOP was spreading and outright tampering with the hostage situation.

[Ed Suspicious]

170. Photo ops? He's not calling in the press.

[UglyGreed]

20. .

[Sheepshank]

23. Lets not forget the middle seat on a commercial airline meme.

The pictures of Bernie at an airport lounge waiting for his next light.

The good old regular guy that's like regular folks...only when he isn't.

[MADem]

199. Illustrated by a picture of him on what appears to be a LUXURY BUS....!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=81648

Those high backed leather seats look very comfy!

[tecelote]

24. Let's all get together and have one big apology fest!

That way everyone will feel better and we can get on with meaningful debate.

[Nyan]

25. Why are they so obsessed with Bernie supporters?

Oh right. It's hard to find a reason to attack Bernie.
For instance, they can't attack him on his integrity, principles, and voting records.

[Phlem]

26. So?

Post a picture of Hillary riding in the middle seat in coach within the last 10 years.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

31. This is about Bernie Sander's supporters. nt

[Phlem]

32. Don't have one huh.

OKEE DOKEE

[ProudToBeLiberal]

37. For your consumption.

?w=1000&h=666

[Phlem]

41. This is your reply!?

To this question:

Post a picture of Hillary riding in the middle seat in coach within the last 10 years.

Wow.



Makes total sense really.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

43. I was just sharing a picture with you as an ice breaker...

I don't get it, I was just trying to make polite talk and be friendly.

[Phlem]

48. "I don't get it, I was just trying to make polite talk and be friendly."

With this?

The oozing hypocrisy of Bernie Sander's supporters

Hint: you are so not making any sense.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

56. I think we are speaking past each other. Well in this case writing past each other. nt

[Art_from_Ark]

134. I'm guessing that in real life, that poster is not Dale Carnegie

[Phlem]

177. !

[fasttense]

40. Who make up the majority of DU members. N/T

[Scootaloo]

46. Can't say shit about Sanders, so you gotta say shit about his supporters

Not a tactic I would use if I were a Clinton supporter on DU, to be honest. I mean... We're not the ones linking to a place like "tomatobubble" to attack Clinton, you know?

[artislife]

96. Don't vote for us.

We aren't voting for you or h either.

[reACTIONary]

189. FYI.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251965590#post158

(Not sure what difference it makes, but whayever)

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

28. This is a dup! Same Deal Breaker posted in another thread

[vkkv]

34. This makes Hillary supporters appear extremely weak and WHINY!

Please try your best to get over it.

[Phlem]

51. Fishing for hides huh.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

58. What are you talking about? nt

[beam me up scottie]

59. Yep. And notice the hosts didn't lock this for meta.

Tell me there's no double standard.

[Phlem]

60. Pretty disgusting and completely obvious anymore.

I think I need to shower.

[deathrind]

87. / this.

[Duval]

106. or "ignores"?

[Nyan]

64. Wow.

I clicked and saw those comments.
I'm in disbelief.
Do they care about anything but winning? Why would they allow themselves to be that ugly

[beam me up scottie]

70. I expect an apology from the op for what those supporters said.

We should all get one, don't you think?

[ProudToBeLiberal]

74. I am sorry. nt

[beam me up scottie]

75. So add those smears to your op for balance.

Otherwise it looks like you're the hypocrite.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

76. Please stop rubbing it in. I already apologized. Please take your victory lap with some humility. nt

[beam me up scottie]

81. What victory lap? You started a meta thread to bash us and get our posts hidden.

I'm just showing who the real hypocrites are.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

83. Ahh now you are making fun of me. After you got my apology, now you are stomping upon my honor. nt

[beam me up scottie]

86. What honour?

After your disgusting ops you seriously think you have any?

Good luck coming back from this.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

89. I thought we were friends. Remember when I made that beam me up scottie joke?

You told me to lighten up and make some jokes. How come you are ignoring our camaraderie?

[beam me up scottie]

98. I don't know you from Jack, nor do I want to.

I don't post flamebait and I don't rec threads that smear Hillary even though ops like yours make me want to.

I won't stoop to your level though, I'll try to follow my candidate's lead and take the high road.

You can wallow in the gutter by yourself.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

110. "We need a sense of humour to post here"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=875730

[beam me up scottie]

114. So you are trying to get our posts hidden. Thanks for clearing that up.

That crying baby image upthread seems spot on.

Some folks care about issues and others care about scoring points.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

117. A good friend of mine once told me on DU that

We need a good sense of humour to post. It seems like a good advice to follow. I hope you follow and listen to his advice.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

118. Nice edit on your title. I saw what you did there. Nt

[beam me up scottie]

121. Where's your sense of humour?

You do realize the edit function was created for a reason, right?

[LovingA2andMI]

140. When Things Done In The Dark...

Are fully shined in the light. Good Job Beam Me Up Scottie.

[beam me up scottie]

151. Thank you! The only thing oozing around here is the op.

Better make sure you scrape it off your shoe before you go inside.

[Nyan]

79. We should

but I've given up on that.
Clinton herself implied that Bernie's sexist. That's the moment she lost me forever. And I didn't see a single H supporter here calling her out for that.

[beam me up scottie]

84. Some criticism of Hillary has been over the top but nothing like that.

Before Bernie announced he was a DU darling, now look at what they're saying about him.

[dlwickham]

171. Some?

[ucrdem]

124. None of those were tweeted or published in HuffPo or Salon. Apples and oranges. nt

[beam me up scottie]

125. What are you on about? We're comparing supporters' behaviour here.

[Scootaloo]

157. Damn, that list just keeps growing.

You forgot about how Sanders is a "red Jew" by the way. I couldn't find the screenshot about how he has a "nest egg in Israel," though.

[beam me up scottie]

166. Thanks, I'll add that to the list.

Speaking of hypocrisy, did you see who rec'd that "red Jew" thread?

Check it against those howling about Goodman.

[gregcrawford]

62. YET ANOTHER OUTRAGE!

Bernie wears CLEAN underwear EVERY DAY! Oh, the humanity! How can Bernie supporters bear the shame?

WHAT?!!? He brushes his teeth, TOO? This is unforgivable!

If a commercial flight cannot get him where he has to be when he has to be there, then he should crawl across a mile of broken glass! He should say five million mea culpas and throw himself on the mercy of Hillary's supporters because... 9/11!

[riversedge]

65. It is the Sanders supporters

hypocrisy that is the issue. No outrage--just stating the truth. Enough said. Onto the new year now and let it be.

[paleotn]

116. horse shit. (nt)

[gregcrawford]

172. And yet it is thee who will not let it be. How curious... n/t

[Spitfire of ATJ]

63. Oh sure, he's secretly a snobbish elitist just like Hillary....

[matt819]

68. Here's an idea

Give it the fuck up.

Promote your candidate. Fine. Stop with bashing the others.

It's so gucking exhausting reading this shot. And it's only the first day of the year.

Maybe my New Years resolution should be to stop reading this crap.

You want to discuss policies or supporter turnout, great. But this kind of "I know you are but what am I" stuff is childish.

The fact is, or should be, that we all vote for the democratic nominee. And all this schoolyard antics hurts allow us.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

71. I think we can both agree that Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are better than the Republicans.

We can't let a Republican take the white house and destroy and roll back the legacy of President Obama.

[matt819]

77. Precisely

They are both accomplished, intelligent people. I prefer Bernie but will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. And I won't regret it or hold my nose while doing so. Or O'Malley.

[CoffeeCat]

72. It's not about the private jet, it's who pays for the gas!

Hillary is funded by JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Citibank, Time Warner and whatever other fiendish corporate dollars she's got hidden in her not-so-Super Pacs. Those piece-of-shyte corporations are among her top ten donors.

Bernie is fueled by "We The People."

I don't expect you to understand the difference.

[jkbRN]

82. Great reply

[Vinca]

73. Isn't recess on the playground just about up?

The faux scandals are driving me nuts. Hillary supporters are virtually certain she'll be the nominee, so what is the point of pissing off Bernie supporters whose votes she would need to be elected POTUS?

[jkbRN]

80. This is the best you got?

You should be embarrassed that you even posted this.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

85. I thought this was pretty good

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251908309

[passiveporcupine]

99. And yet you cry over Benghazi and e-mailgate

talk about oooozing hypocrisy.

[riversedge]

132. who flies in private jets is petty. Yet there were several threads and

lots of RECS by Sanders supporters. That is hypocrisy.

[passiveporcupine]

133. I agree many times I"ve seen petty posts and replies by Sanders' supporters

And hypocrisy! Same as I have seen of Hillary supporters.

I'm actually pretty damned sick of all this neener neener shit.

I joined DU because I was seeking conversations with adults. I wonder sometimes why I'm still here.

[riversedge]

138. I admit that I wonder sometimes also.

[KingCharlemagne]

91. We will apologize to her as soon as she apologizes to the people of the

world FOR THE DEATHS OF ONE MILLION INNOCENT IRAQIS.

Until then, just go pound sand.

[LovingA2andMI]

142. This^^^^^

Thank You!

[George II]

95. But....but...but....he's been flying coach on commercial flights!!

I guess Sanders isn't quite as "transparent" as originally thought?

Makes one wonder where those photographs of him in coach came from and when they were taken.

Hint: a Presidential candidate isn't sitting in coach all by himself!

[beam me up scottie]

102. So those pictures are fake? IT'S A CONSPIRASEE! DERP!

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[ViseGrip]

100. We're not electing supporters...don't care. It's BERNIE'S RECORD, not the supporters....

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

105. I'm sorry, but I don't ooze hypocrisy or anything else

(except for sarcasm occasionally when somebody's gone off the rails). We have a stupid political campaign "system" (if you want to even call it a system) that obligates candidates to visit various obscure locations for months, especially so as to press the flesh of early primary voters. Stuck with this ridiculous situation, the candidates have to resort to the most efficient means of transportation available, which in most cases will be chartered jets. The fact that Bernie has often chosen to fly coach on a commercial airline is admirable, but during the holiday season he probably couldn't get a short-notice ticket to anywhere at any cost. So he chartered. I don't care. If Hillary always flies on a chartered jet, I don't care about that either. Since she gets Secret Service protection it would probably be difficult and disruptive to everyone concerned if she tried for the center seat on some airline's old MD-88. And as one who has worked in the airline industry for years, I'm always happy to hear about some circumstance that means another pilot has a job.

So shall we stop accusing people of oozing anything and stick to the issues?

[orpupilofnature57]

107. Hypocrisy is a good part of Hilary's Legacy, Family Values are connections and $$$$$ from Pals like

the Donald, it's a big game of opportunism .

[nc4bo]

108. I would think it be nearly impossible to adhere to a campaign

Schedule only flying commercial airlines or using other modes of public transportation, even the dullest lightbulb in the box gets that.

How is that hypocritical?

Sanders is no political fat cat. He does not schmooze with the billionaires or kiss their perfumed, powdered asses. He stands up for the 99% not the 1%. We do not have to wonder what position he will take day to day, month to month, year by year.

Why try to smear his campaign with nonsense?

You guys really don't like discussing real issues effecting the country, do you?

It really is all about polls, aiming low and rolling over for belly rubs instead of harnessing the frustrations, anger and desperation felt by so many.

Smh.

[fasttense]

109. Well said.

[paleotn]

112. Citigruppen, JP Morgan Chase, Goldman Sachs...........

....compared to use of a private jet during the heat of a primary fight. Nice non sequitur. When bullshit is all you've got, I suppose bullshit is all you've got.

[leftofcool]

115. Data theft, lying about it..................

[paleotn]

120. Proof?

....I posted facts. You're posting...what?



Oh! That's what you're posting. Like I said...when all you've got is bullshit, bullshit is all you've got.

[nc4bo]

122. Holy of holies! We must have missed the results of that independent

Investigation? !!11!!

DU sucks! How did we miss this?

[Lazy Daisy]

126. not gonna happen

Bernie hires a plane during the busiest travel season to make sure he arrives to all his stops and you call this hypocrisy?

And you want an apology?

There are bigger things to be outraged about.

[jfern]

136. Hillary's internals must be real bad for this kind of gutter politics

[LovingA2andMI]

148. Yep....

Another January Meltdown. Remember what happened the last time a Clinton Campaign had a meltdown in January....2008....

A series of comments from Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, her husband and her supporters are spurring a racial backlash and adding a divisive edge to the presidential primary as the candidates head south to heavily African-American South Carolina.

The comments, which ranged from the New York senator appearing to diminish the role of Martin Luther King Jr. in the civil rights movement — an aide later said she misspoke — to Bill Clinton dismissing Sen. Barack Obama’s image in the media as a “fairy tale” — generated outrage on black radio, black blogs and cable television. And now they've drawn the attention of prominent African-American politicians.

“A cross-section of voters are alarmed at the tenor of some of these statements,” said Obama spokeswoman Candice Tolliver, who said that Clinton would have to decide whether she owed anyone an apology.

“There’s a groundswell of reaction to these comments — and not just these latest comments but really a pattern, or a series of comments that we’ve heard for several months,” she said. “Folks are beginning to wonder: Is this really an isolated situation, or is there something bigger behind all of this?”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2008/01/racial-tensions-roil-democratic-race-007845#ixzz3w223lqFR

The Internal Campaign Hillary Statistics Must Be Experiencing Many Moments of Deja Vu.......

[NorthCarolina]

141. The differences are vast.

This has to be the hands down most juvenile attack to appear yet. I smell a hint of desperation in the air, no doubt about it.

[liberalhistorian]

144. Yawn

Blah blah blah.

I'd like an apology from the Hillary campaign for the gazillion desperate begging emails I got yesterday claiming gloom and doom and weeping and wailing over not being able to raise enough money and acting like she was the only one entitled to donations and how dare I donate to anyone else, especially Sanders. They knew damn well they weren't in any fundraising danger.

Now I will certainly support and vote for her if she turns out to be the nominee. But until she's officially the nominee, I will support and donate to whatever Democrat I damn well please. Too bad for Hillary and the OP that that ain't her right now.

[retrowire]

149. As a Bernie supporter...

I've always celebrated the fact that he flew coach, I saw that as humble.

I figured he used a jet at times, whoop dee doo.

And I never attacked Hillary for doing so either.

So... #notallberniesupporters lol

[mahina]

153. Irrelevant divide and conquer bs, from any side.

My opinion.

[libdem4life]

154. "Oozing"?? Overreact much...oozing...Lord help.:

[SusanCalvin]

155. I haven't attacked her (for that)

And I'm currently assuming that the Sanders campaign is using good judgment re time and money. I hope I am right about that.

[philly_bob]

167. Oozing Hypocrites: a colorful addition to DU's primary vocabulary. /nt

[dlwickham]

169. good luck with that

the faster Hillary clinches the nomination the better

maybe some civility will return to this place

[Vattel]

179. More silliness, hyperbole and general primary bullshit.

[stonecutter357]

180. K&R!

[Plucketeer]

182. Can we get a photo of HRC

in a middle seat in Coach? Photoshop anyone??? Anyone?

[ProudToBeLiberal]

185. You are a bit late to the party. Someone already asked your question.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251965590#post26

[R B Garr]

184. K&R. Exactly right.

Hypocrisy galore and hostility about it.

The is all predictible from Sanders. though. Say one thing to the crowds for the applause lines, then do something else. Gimmicky. Bait and switch.

[Fawke Em]

186. Only if you guys apologize for each meme in which Hillary is far worse on the subject.

Like this one.

She's used private jets far more (without any excuse) than Bernie.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/even-when-flying-the-public-clinton-keeps-it-private

Other slimy memes in which Clinton is actually far, far worse:


SuperPACs: Clinton has a ton. Bernie has a sort-of, kind-of one that's actually a union who is still a union, but is classified as a PAC under the new CU rules.
Race Relations: Clinton scolds BLM, used racist dog whistles in 2008, but Bernie is a white guy from a white state.
Feminism: Clinton, through her support of her husband's welfare "reform" bill kicks poor women and children off welfare, but Bernie is a guy who frequently used the term "shouting at each other" in his discussion about gun control and wasn't directing it at Hillary's vagina.


Talk about oozing hypocrisy!

[cherokeeprogressive]

188. I'm trying to form a visual of what it's like to "vehemently shrug off" something.

Can a person pull a muscle like that?

[ProudToBeLiberal]

190. What other descriptive adjective should I have used? Nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

193. At the risk of sounding redundant, I'm afraid I left my list of descriptive adjectives

at work yesterday.

I'd go with whatever hyperbolic adjective works best. Vehemently is good I guess. I'm still trying to imagine what that might look like... a vehement shrug. That oughta look mighty funny.

[MrMickeysMom]

194. I'll bet they would!!!

[cherokeeprogressive]

196. That's so bad ass...

I've seen an entire video with young people doing things like that and it blew me away. That's discipline and dedication right there. To a degree I'm afraid I could never master.

Sometimes I imagine what the world might be like if THOSE people were in line to direct the future of our country and our world rather than rich punks and punkettes currently binge drinking at some Ivy League institution.

And when I imagine it... the future looks brighter than it does otherwise.

[MrMickeysMom]

198. "rich punks and punkettes"... LOL

Well... It may take a little while, but this is the year where everything is revealed in it's true colors.

[MrMickeysMom]

191. How does this make us oozing hypocrites, now?

Who's oozing? What kind of gleeful attacks, again?

Oh... That's right... You don't know!

OOoooKay....

[MADem]

195. You know what's funny as hell?

The picture used to illustrate this sanctimonious thread about Sanders flying coach very plainly shows him on some sort of luxury bus with fancy leather seats (looks like the "Limo Liner" I take to NYC on occasion--very nice, with TV and wifi), not a coach seat in a plane.

Unless you can open windows on planes, now? Check out those "plane" windows in this picture! LOL! Who wouldn't love that kind of legroom in coach!!



Poor guy looks like he burned his tongue on that coffee--or maybe it's just indigestion.....

[KittyWampus]

200. Bernie Sanders still flying coach, while Hillary flies the Wall Street jet

That was the thread title you linked to.

LOL

[MADem]

202. Yep--and there he is, sitting in the leather seat of a luxury bus!

[madfloridian]

197. Just what I've been talking about in this post....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251966225

Exactly this kind of stuff.

[Sissyk]

203. Locking.

Disruptive meta-discussion is not allowed in this forum.