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[CrowCityDem]

1. He should live up to his word, and do "everything" he can. That includes endorsing.

[Renew Deal]

5. How long after the last primary did Hillary take to endorse?

I'll wait while you look it up. And this doesn't get into the fact he should have left in March when the outcome was clear.

[brooklynite]

6. Clinton took 2-3 days...

...and didn't continue to "go out on the trail" and hold more rallies.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

62. He held rallies for down ballet candidates...

I know one of the ones in New York was specifically for Kingson.

[brooklynite]

63. He did a rally in NYC last week...no down-ticket candidates involved

Bernie Sanders vows to continue campaign, even though Hillary Clinton will likely win Democratic nomination: ‘We’ve got to keep the vision of transforming this country’

His destination is no longer the White House, but Bernie knows where he’s going.

In a blazing hour-and-a-half speech entitled “Where We Go From Here,” an unremitting Bernie Sanders fired up a crowd of 1,500 Thursday at the historic Town Hall in Midtown.

“Our call from day one has been transform this nation,” Sanders said. “And that is the fight we are going to continue.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/bernie-sanders-continues-battle-hillary-clinton-article-1.2685992

[niyad]

9. HRC conceded on 7 June 2008. but, nice try.

. . . .

Although Obama led Clinton in delegates won through state contests, Clinton led in the popular vote as she had more actual votes from the state contests.[2] However, this calculation could not include many states that had held caucuses, which Obama had dominated, and it did include Florida, which neither Clinton nor Obama contested, nor Michigan, where Obama withdraw from the ballot yet Clinton did not, due to the Democratic National Committee's penalizing of those two states for violating party rules. Final vote tallies from organizations including RealClearPolitics did include estimates from caucus states.[3] Regardless of how votes were counted, the candidates' totals were within less than one percent of each other.[4]

Obama received enough superdelegate endorsements on June 3 to claim that he had secured the simple majority of delegates necessary to win the nomination, and Clinton conceded the nomination four days later.[5][6] Obama was nominated on the first ballot, at the August convention. He went on to win the general election, and became the 44th President of the United States on January 20, 2009. Clinton went on to serve as Obama's Secretary of State for his first term.

. . . .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2008

[niyad]

25. the point is that HRC conceded long before this time, regardless of what some are saying.

[niyad]

30. WaPo: "Bernie Sanders just gave an amazingly condescending interview about Hillary Clinton"

WaPo: "Bernie Sanders just gave an amazingly condescending interview about Hillary Clinton"

[LongtimeAZDem]

35. Obama won the delegate majority on Tuesday, June 3

Sanders endorsed him that Thursday, as "the party had chosen its nominee"

Clinton suspended her campaign on Saturday, telling her supporters "take our energy, our passion and our strength and do all we can to help elect Barack Obama ... I ask all of you to join me in working as hard for Barack Obama as you have for me."

Four days, no conditions, and her full support. That's how long it took.

[bettyellen]

47. Sanders was speedy to admit that primary was over, yes indeed.

[LuvLoogie]

3. I don't buy it. Not until he changes his Senate affiliation

from Independent to Democrat.

[Renew Deal]

7. Strange how that hasn't happened huh?

[LongtimeAZDem]

39. +1 (nt)

[Protalker]

4. Elizabeth Warren wants change

This lady is worth following. She gets me, retired with 2 jobs. Forget pie in the sky, Work Congress vote Democrat.

[geek tragedy]

8. Make substantive policy attacks on Donald Trump.

Other than calling him a racist.

[bettyellen]

48. This- he seems much more reluctant to attack GOP policies than our Dems....

[HereSince1628]

10. Everything he considers appropriate and is willing to do.

Which I think is pretty much exactly what he will do.

If your goal is reforming the party and American politics, why wouldn't you want your delegates to have a chance to show up, demonstrate their numbers, maybe get a chance to cast their votes, if the rules aren't waived, and then lose the tally.

[TwilightZone]

11. Clinton suspended her campaign four days after the last primary.

June 7th, 2008, after meeting with Obama on the 6th.

[athena]

14. I guess facts don't matter to some people.

It's interesting that your post didn't get a reply from the OP.

[TwilightZone]

20. "HRC did not suspend her campaign until much later in 2008?"

I was answering your question. She was also much closer to Obama in delegates and votes than Sanders is to Clinton.

"what is the hurry?"

We have an election to win and down-ticket Democrats to get elected.

[athena]

31. Why are you not amending your OP to fix the factual error in it?

There is a falsehood in your OP, as pointed out by TwilightZone and others. If you're an honest person and are here to have an honest discussion (as opposed to trying to smear Hillary, which is against DU rules), you should edit your first post in this thread and remove the incorrect statement it contains about Hillary.

[niyad]

32. WaPo: "Bernie Sanders just gave an amazingly condescending interview about Hillary Clinton"

WaPo: "Bernie Sanders just gave an amazingly condescending interview about Hillary Clinton"


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/28/bernie-sanders-just-gave-an-amazingly-condescending-interview-about-hillary-clinton/

[ciaobaby]

54. Wish you would stop posting the same opinion piece over and over.

One person's opinion does not make it fact.
I felt the interview was an honest reflection of what Sanders believes.
Nothing condescending about it, but you see it differently - fine.
Just stop reposting the same old article.
Please and thank you.

[Renew Deal]

12. Why is he still raising money?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027965033

[NorthCarolina]

43. The better question to ask is

why are people still giving him money?

I know, do you?

[Renew Deal]

45. Is there evidence that they are?

Why do people give Jim Bakker money?

[DanTex]

13. What Hillary did in 2008.

I was an ardent Obama supporter in 2008, bad feelings and all. Hillary showed what she was made of by the way she gracefully conceded and wholeheartedly supported Obama to defeat McCain. I am now a proud Hillary supporter.

If Bernie wants his revolution to succeed, he's going to need support from people outside of his currently small circle. That means people like me. And he's not making any friends right now with the way he's acting.

[TwilightZone]

22. 90% of them are already on board with Clinton.

Time for him to join them.

[niyad]

28. WaPo: "Bernie Sanders just gave an amazingly condescending interview about Hillary Clinton"

WaPo: "Bernie Sanders just gave an amazingly condescending interview about Hillary Clinton"


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/28/bernie-sanders-just-gave-an-amazingly-condescending-interview-about-hillary-clinton/

[niyad]

36. no, you cannot speak for him. but the speaking he is doing for himself does not sound

promising at all.

[athena]

16. Exactly!

[tallahasseedem]

49. +1

Same here. I never in a million years thought that she would do everything she could, plus some, in order to get Barack elected. It was what I saw from that moment on that convinced me that I would absolutely support her in this election. Talk about a long vetting process!

[MaggieD]

23. Acting like a Dem would be an awesome start

I have been voting for 38 years, and I have never seen a Dem primary candidate focus so much of his campaign smearing the party whose nomination they seek.

As for Warren - Sanders would not have gotten past IA if she had been in the race. She is a much better surrogate for Clinton that Bernie would ever have been, IMO.

[MaggieD]

37. He has also smeared Dems for 30 years

I'd be fine if I never had to hear another word from him. Yes, he got a lot of indies to vote for him in open primaries and caucuses, but actual Dem party members rejected him by a wide margin.

[zenabby]

27. Doesn't matter anymore

The time for talking about this is long gone. That's not much he can do that can mean much anymore. His endorsement carries very little value. He can go back to the senate.

[MohRokTah]

34. Hillary had conceded, endorsed and was on the campaign trail for Obama less than a week after the...

last primary in 2008.

[Metric System]

38. He has made himself a non-factor.

[MineralMan]

40. The waves have passed, and the next set is flat.

I know, a surfing allusion is weak, but that's about where things are. Senator Sanders will probably endorse Hillary Clinton at some point, but the impact of that will grow stronger with each passing week. He's no longer at the top of the news, so his endorsement won't be a major event much longer.

The voters have moved on and are thinking about November already. Sanders is the runner-up in the primary race and can no longer attract much coverage. Most of his supporters have shifted their allegiance already, with a only few deciding to stick with Sanders. He may well wait until the convention to endorse her. If he never does, however, it will not hurt her chances of winning. Donald Trump is doing whatever is necessary to ensure her victory.

I spent the last four days visiting my 91-year-old parents, both staunch Republicans. Both have voted in every election since they were 21. Both said they will vote for Hillary when I talked to them, and had harsh words for Trump. They're not alone in this, either. And, believe me, they'll be at their polling place casting their vote if they're still alive. There's no sign that they won't be.

Trump is the best possible campaigner for Hillary Clinton. Every time he opens his mouth, more voters decided to vote for her.

[SaschaHM]

42. "A force in the Democratic party"....

He's been bashing the Democratic Party since the beginning of June while painting himself as the white knight of the working class. His current rhetoric is about one step away from Republican/Trump talking points. He can keep his supporters active without being such a sore loser and continuously attacking the party. It's one thing to disagree. It's another to continue to paint those you disagree with as a party that does not care about the issues related to the election during the damn election.

[Chathamization]

50. It seems like what he's currently doing is working. Many of his supporters are going over to Clinton

People on both sides seem to agree that more and more Sanders supporters are migrating to Clinton, so it looks like Sanders strategy of slow deceleration rather than slamming on the breaks is working. Not sure why people are complaining about what he's doing when it's getting the results desired. People shouldn't be putting their personal desire to see Sanders brought to heel above Democratic electoral success.

[PowerToThePeople]

51. Secure the nomination.

[ronnykmarshall]

52. At this point ... I don't care

Hillary busted her ass for Obama in 2008.

I am DONE!

YES, Bernie's race was amazing and he helped move Hillary to the left. Good.

But I'm done with this crap.

Unite. Beat Trump. Done.

[Politicalboi]

53. Sure wish I could say what I want to say

Nothing he does will change my mind. He has to be nice and hold his head up. I don't. I still have hope.

[MyNameGoesHere]

56. Conveniently switch parties again.

Or whatever is opportunistic for ??? . I am not one that says ??????? should endorse Clinton, I really don't see the need and I don't want the drag on the party it would create. ??????? should start planning ??? next party switch.

[MyNameGoesHere]

64. So the story goes.

[creeksneakers2]

57. Bernie should continue his movement

and convince his followers that they can accomplish more with Hillary in the White House than with Trump. That's true.

[Night Watchman]

58. Simple

[Bleacher Creature]

59. Right now, he's doing nothing.

On the bright side, he has nowhere to go but up!

[Whimsey]

60. Bernie is a white male...

what do you expect? A sense of entitlement. Hillary is a female, deferential when she needs to be. Sexual stereotyping does play a role. Hillary cannot be viewed favorably on the same level as an alpha male in large parts of the electorate.