Chanute elementary student suspended for spent shell casing

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Chanute elementary student suspended for spent shell casing

Posted: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 5:39 pm


Joshua Vail

Tribune reporter

A student at Chanute Elementary School was suspended last week over possession of an empty rifle shell casing on school grounds. The suspension began Dec. 3 and ended Tuesday.

“My child should not have been bawling,” she said. “The principal made him feel that an empty shell was dangerous. In some people’s eyes maybe it is.”

Carlson also believes her son is owed a disciplinary committee hearing regarding his suspension, and said she was not specifically told by Wheeler that he would not be pursuing a long-term suspension until she asked about the status of the hearing.

Camron’s grandmother, Mary Sue Carlson, said she feels the school’s actions were not just about breaking school rules, but about attacking what Camron is taught at home.

“Our family does a lot of deer hunting,” she said. “This is hunting country. This child has been led to believe that that’s not okay.”


http://www.chanute.com/news/article_be4861c0-80c5-11e4-9433-0b2d9486f3e8.html#user-comment-area

Interestingly, Neosho County Attorney Linus Thuston said he does not consider spent shell casings to be ammunition, legally.

This is going overboard, imo, but I suspect that there are those who applaud this happening.

Discuss.

[immoderate]

1. Nutso!

--imm

[shraby]

2. The child did nothing wrong. The idiocy of the ptb is astounding.

[earthside]

3. Yup. The school principal is being stupid.

Maybe all brass objects should be considered 'harmful' since that is the exact same metal that shell casings are made of!!!

Instead of common sense in our schools we get Common Core.

[sarisataka]

4. Zero tolerance. =

Zero thinking

This principal sounds like a bully They should have included the child's age

[ileus]

5. future rude toter...

[ManiacJoe]

6. I like to think that the school admins were smarter than that

back when I was in school; but in all honesty, that is probably not the case.

The principal is an idiot. The article clearly explains that no infractions were committed by the student.

The mother is almost as bad as the principal.

Seems like an easy win for the lawyers should it need to get that far.

[MicaelS]

7. It's good I never had children.

Because if my child ran afoul of some Zero Tolerance bullshit, I would probably end up in jail. Because I would probably beat the living dogshit out of the official who did the deed. And I would not be the least bit remorseful or apologetic.

[stone space]

11. And you would be rightly jailed for being a violent asshole.

I sure hope that violent hotheads like you don't have gunz.

I would probably end up in jail. Because I would probably beat the living dogshit out of the official who did the deed. And I would not be the least bit remorseful or apologetic.

[friendly_iconoclast]

12. You're not very big on authority figures having to obey the law, are you?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12627517

If only the police had been called and their guns confiscated when they toted them around in public

Problem is, there's a small detail, namely "what they were doing at the time was
(rightly or wrongly) legal".

Likewise, there's this bit from the linked article you seem to have ...missed, shall we say?

The weapons policy requires a 186-day expulsion for possession of any firearm or ammunition for any firearm. Neosho County Attorney Linus Thuston said he does not consider spent shell casings to be ammunition, legally.

None of the alleged statements from Gary Wheeler on the consequences for Camron Carlson match either set of rules.

But that's okay, as long as we're punishing 'bad' people...

[stone space]

13. I'm opposed to beating up school officials.

I'm sorry if that disturbs you.

I have zero tolerance for violent assholes who beat up school officials.

[friendly_iconoclast]

16. I'm opposed to using unlawful pretexts (and untruth) for my own ends

I don't condone battery either, but seeing my kid being
punished for doing something that the local DA explicitly said he didn't
do would be very aggravating

Being that you've advocated for public officials ignoring the law at least twice
here in the fast few days, you don't exactly have the moral high ground here...

[stone space]

17. Why do you keep trying to change the subject?

I responded to a post about beating up school officials.

If you want to discuss something else from another thread, please do so in that thread.

In this thread, my concern is about violent hotheads who want to beat up school officials.

[friendly_iconoclast]

18. You want the proles to obey the law, but not TPTB

Hell, you've explicitly advocated that extralegal means be used against those
you dislike. Too late to start telling us "THAT crime is bad,..." (not that I disagree)
"...but *this* one is just dandy when applied against 'one of THOSE people'"

[stone space]

21. I break the law all the time.

I'm still opposed to beating up school officials.

My opposition to beating up school officials has absolutely nothing to do with the law.

It has to do with beating up school officials.

[friendly_iconoclast]

14. You also added some pious fraud to the mix:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172156146#post30

Open Carry Texas just murdered two people.

If the cops had been called when they marched, and their gunz taken away, these two victims would be alive today.

[stone space]

15. I'm still opposed to beating up school officials. (nt)

[Nuclear Unicorn]

19. Unless they were pro-RKBA school officials.

Then you'd advocate all manner of force and spin falsehoods to serve as a justification.

[stone space]

20. This is a lie. I have never advocated beating up school officials.

Unless they were pro-RKBA school officials.

Then you'd advocate all manner of force and spin falsehoods to serve as a justification.

Why does my opposition to beating up school officials have some folks so upset here in this thread?

I don't get it.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

22. As friendly iconoclast has documented you have advocated for the use of force against gun owners and

you actively misrepresent facts to justify your positions. Granted, you don't ask for the professions of those whom you would victimize but there are pro-RKBA who are school officials. I even know one. He's very pro-RKBA, an officer in the National Guard and a career educator in the public schools. Thus far your call to have people forcibly disarmed does not include the caveat, "unless they're school officials."

[stone space]

23. I don't believe in beating up school officials.

It's that simple.

Go back and reread my comments in this thread.

I really can't understand why such a simple statement has folks so upset here.

What good could possibly come from people beating up school officials?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

26. The school official in question is deestroying a child's life. I doubt that deserves a pummeling but

a parent's passion deserves understanding even if we cannot grant them license.

Do you have any sympathy for the child or is your reflex for the authoritarian? Do you grant school officials blanket immunity from all consequence in all matters?

So far your every pronouncement has been over-simplified, absolutist and uncritical.

[stone space]

27. I've been suspended before.

It didn't destroy my life.

And I didn't beat up any school officials.

So far your every pronouncement has been over-simplified, absolutist and uncritical.

If you find my unwillingness to beat up school officials to be "over-simplified, absolutist and uncritical", then so be it.

I'm just not going to do it.

Nor will I support others in doing it.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

28. Apples and oranges

Were you suspended under the pretense you had brought a deadly weapon/firearm to school? The child faces a potential 168-day suspension because of a fear-monger with too much authority.

It must be noted that in your zeal you chose to selectively quote me, completely ignoring that I wrote, "I doubt that deserves a pummeling..." only to proceed to base your post on the premise such words were never written.

You and the administrator are good company for each other. You both selectively manipulate and ignore words to impose your biases by force upon others. You and he are not to be pummeled; you're both meant to be ignored. The child's parents should return him to school and tell him to proceed with classes in spite of this ridiculous episode.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

29. IMHO...

...he's waiting for the paint to dry before leaving the corner.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

31. The behavior seems to betray a certain short-sightedness, which in turn speaks of single-mindedness.

It's not like it was too hard to foresee the trajectory of the line of discussion.

In another thread in this group I'm being berated for not being a true liberal. Assuming my interlocutor is correct then whatever I am it is a creed that says I must be open-minded, consider other arguments, anticipate outcomes made by rational discernment and ultimately accept the facts and logic. I guess that makes me no liberal and allows others to paint themselves into a corner when they should have seen the outcome well-beforehand.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

32. Some of us are just easily amused...

...myself for instance...

I saw this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172157321#post14

...and: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172155932#post74

At least King Fred's avatar is smiling.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

33. The second link

made me chortle.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

34. I thought of replying directly but...

...I reconsidered thinking anything I would say would only crimp the mirth.

[friendly_iconoclast]

36. On that subject, allow me to offer up:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=157353

Ignorant, indeed...

[Eleanors38]

8. More Zorro-tolerance gassage. Jeez.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

9. Won't someone think of the children!

[NYC_SKP]

10. Fuck public schools and their indocrination policies. THIS is what's going on here. "Guns Bad!"

The epithets I would like to use would result in a hide.

the incident could lead to a 168-day suspension

Are you fucking kidding me?

Pull that kid out of school and get a lawyer and raise hell.

[stone space]

24. Why does opposition to beating up school officials cause such a stir in this group? (nt)

[ManiacJoe]

25. It doesn't.

But after you were agreed with in #16, you would not get past it.

[sarisataka]

30. Then go back to the OP

Is the suspension for the child just?

If not, did the administrator overstep his authority and what sanction should he face?

[friendly_iconoclast]

35. Our interlocutor seems to have found your questions to be ...inconvenient