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a couple of safe haven LGBT groups on DU would be significant. Should they be called LGB groups instead?
Its not like this hasn't been a recurring problem here.
But, to put in perspective, and in the proper context, you must look deeper. It doesn't take much to notice a pattern emerging with some posters.
Now the issues raised, about assaults in publicly accessible restrooms and locker rooms are a serious issue, but not directly related to anything to do with transgender issues. Considering the context, it seems to be used to spread FUD and nothing else.
Then you have other posters who outright deny being transgender is a thing. Purposefully using the wrong pronoun while others use the correct pronoun in the same thread. Sometimes people can claim ignorance, but in this instance, I think not. After all, they've held similar opinions for years.
Now granted, I only scratched the surface of a shitpile, but hey, its not like transgender people matter, does it? Oh, and before you worry yourselves about alerting on some of those posts, it does no good. Hell, you can even call being transgender a fad, and you'll get posters that agree with you, but still vote to not hide it, fucking cowards.
Lovely examples of jury results for your reading enjoyment:
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Then how, pray tell, was anyone able to detect the presence of a man?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1033030
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
YOUR COMMENTS
Calls a MtF transgender a man, proper label is that they are a woman.
JURY RESULTS
A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sun Mar 8, 2015, 01:59 PM, and voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT ALONE.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Respect women's perspectives on this as well.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This post, on its own, might potentially be ambiguous, but taking into account the bigoted nature of some of Demeter's responses in this and another thread on the subject, I am voting to hide.
Gotta love that, apparently we must respect when a woman misuses pronouns, isn't that sweet?
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It would be nice if we lived in a world where every person
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REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
YOUR COMMENTS
Concern trolling with unrelated issue. Rightwing talking point and subject as cover for transphobia.
JURY RESULTS
A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sun Mar 8, 2015, 12:30 AM, and voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT ALONE.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Transphobic baloney
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Is she saying rapists are disguising themselves as transgenders? WTF?
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: LEAVE IT.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Straight men in a womens bathroom is not the same thing as a trans woman in the locker room. This is baiting.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Thank you.
I find the closer result on this one to be heartening, slightly, but its illuminating that the ones who voted to leave it alone added no comments whatsoever.
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I have a family member of unstable mind
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6331230
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
YOUR COMMENTS
Poster is calling transgenderism as fad, obviously transphobic.
JURY RESULTS
A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sun Mar 8, 2015, 12:16 PM, and voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT ALONE.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm not certain why the poster even understands what trans-gender means. Better to educate than censure.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I'm not sure that is what the poster meant but it is how it comes across.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Thank you.
Isn't this great? Apparently transphobia is excusable as long as you have a personal anecdote or are friends with someone who suffered an apparent botched transition surgery. Question, would this work for anything else, racism, sexism, even homophobia?
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LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)We saw the same thing with Chelsea Manning. Transphobia is strong even here.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)...is a Marine Corps style ass-chewing, followed by a banhammering.
This doesn't seem to happen here at DU.
Case in point:
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So can any dude claim to "identify as a woman" and get to use the women's locker room?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6326566
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
YOUR COMMENTS
Classic anti-transgender stereotyping, worthy of right-wing deluminaries like Bryan Fischer or Gordon Klingenschmitt. Why is this shit tolerated on DU?
JURY RESULTS
A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sat Mar 7, 2015, 04:24 PM, and voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT ALONE.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: there is a learning curve - many folks still have "fears". the alerter could use this post as a learning
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is not a particularly bright post, but not worth of a "hide".
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Thank you.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)can't speak against it without being banned, but even homophobia is tolerated here, and I'm fucking sick of people taking the "-phobia" part literally. Fucking stupid assholes.
Here's a classic example of this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=992783
Oh, and notice who started the thread this post is on! What a coincidence!
azmom
(5,208 posts)" The opposite of Love is not hate it is fear".
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Sadly not enough agreed with me. One of those threads has me so pissed, I seriously think there are deep issues with bigotry here. If I were a trans woman I'd stay the fuck away from here.
brer cat
(24,576 posts)that transgender people are not welcome on a board that is supposedly progressive/liberal.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It's sad when people have noone to turn to to support them. I have seen trans women in restrooms and my first thought is 'thank god they don't have to go in the men's room anymore.'
I don't think I understand why it upsets people for women to use women's facilities. I just don't get the hate. It's not fear to me. Just hate.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)people can be completely unaware of - until something happens to jolt them. Till then....
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Response to Humanist_Activist (Original post)
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Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)members get shit on for no better reason than they are transgender. I can only imagine the shit they have to deal with IRL, the least we could do, as supposed progressives, is provide a space online where they would feel secure enough to NOT have to deal with the same bullshit they deal with day to day.
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Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)Response to Humanist_Activist (Reply #13)
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Logical
(22,457 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)However, Juries are what we have. And so threads like this are needed to point out to jurors what goes, and what does not go.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)community has little chance of decent treatment here by some
The jury system will be the downfall of this place, eventually
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)shouldn't automatically get one labelled trans-phobic.
I also want to add- several DU'ers have very recently shared that they are Ci-personages.
The OP'er, for instance, who not only shared their transitional gender identity but in pretty much the same breath explained it took some time and exploration to come to terms with. So perhaps for some people who don't know anyone who is trans and may not be familiar with it and the processes involved MAYBE are due some slack as well.
That includes women who may have been traumatized by men in the past.
"When Women Become Men" was an article in the NYTimes this past fall.
Should transitioning women be able to attend an all-girls college? Even when they are only just questioning? What about women transitioning to men? There are complex issues involved… and it is a shame that some Ci-personages on this board and their supposed advocates want to boil it down to calling others bigot if they just don't shut up and sit down
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/magazine/when-women-become-men-at-wellesley-college.html?_r=0
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)they have been told, repeatedly, that what they are saying and posting is, at the very least, insensitive, yet they still do it. I'm sick of excuses for bigotry.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)a locker room/bath room with another individual who presents as a stereotypical male.
Sensitivity is a two-way street.
In your confrontation approach to one person in the the locker room thread, you totally ignored the plight of some women.
And in that article I mentioned, it was brought up that ci-men do, in general, enjoy male privilege.
I will not go any further except to say that there are some complex issues here and they probably aren't going to get proper perspective on DU. Perhaps if you want broader understanding of transgender situations/processes you might post about it so we can all learn in a safe environment where no one will scream bigot for asking question or bringing up thorny issues.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)past trauma, which is, its your issue, get help with it, and don't use it as an excuse for bigotry or discrimination.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)thought of sharing an elevator with a black man.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)to past violence.
Apparently.
Says volumes about you.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)It is an apt comparison, but guess you "aren't interested in conversation, listening to others perspectives".
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)as an excuse to further bigotry in other areas.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Continuing to call people not the gender they perceive they are is a problem. Conflating issues to deny rights to transgendered is a problem. Calling transgender a fad is a problem.
Pointing out the difficulties transgendered have is not the problem.
azmom
(5,208 posts)And they hate it when people call it an all girls college because they are women not girls. Trans women are also women. It's not difficult if you try.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)You really must be a fast reader if you read that article in this short period of time.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Which by the way was the first women's college to open up admissions to Trans women. Mount Holyoke College has led the way on this issue and So very proud that they have.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Transitioning women are women and should be allowed to attend an all-WOMEN college along with any other woman.
"women transitioning to men" consider themselves men, are men so no. MEN do not attend all-WOMEN colleges.
It isn't that difficult.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)you must be a fast reader if you read that whole article.
Only you probably didn't and rushed to retort to my post to prove how super-un-biggoted you are.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Not girls, women. Why would I need to read an article to know that?
Same thing as someone identifies themselves as female, they are a woman. Someone transgendering to male is a man. Not that difficult.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Too bad.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)I posted my opinion that it is an all-women college, not all-girl college and that gender is based on how the person feels about themselves. A person transgendering to a man is a man, not a woman. A person transgendering to a woman is a woman, not a man.
No need to read an article to know that.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I see a lot of stuff I'm saddened is acceptable here. That's one.
hunter
(38,317 posts)
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)can continue posting crap like that with enough DUers serving as jurors thinking it is ok.
DUers, please hide this sort of stuff. It is up to the members to decide what our Community Standards are and this should not be it.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)it slips through the cracks, but even then, its so infrequent that MIRT doesn't pick up on it or ignores it, or people try to make excuses for it.
Examples provided here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6175307
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)That is up to Admin.
If jurors won't hide the posts, it weakens their case to ban. However Admin gets ever alert so if there are a lot of alerts from different DUers, that would show that even though jurors vote to leave (often saying nothing, or that they've seen worse, or the few who have said they will never ever hide anything), that would show Admin that more than a few DUers are upset about those posts.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And even then it's usually up for debate, and I'll be honest, there are some regular MIRT members who should simply not have a say on issues pertaining to bigotry against some groups 
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)most that get a 7-0 obnoxious post hide also get put on time out soon and off to Admin to deal with.
MIRT is pretty much for taking out the fresh trash and new zombies.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Virtually open bigotry and stereotyping is a crapshoot when it comes to the jury - some jurors won't vote to hide anything.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)The idea that transgender women simply want to sneak into women's bathrooms and rape them is fucking childishly idiotic. People need to stop getting away with posting this sort of garbage.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)feel the need to mention it in damn near every...fucking...thread that mentions transgender people in changing rooms/restrooms. Or they start their own threads!
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)So they aren't overt about it. But it just isn't that hard to see what they are doing. Hopefully the admins will take note of these alerts.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)them so people they perceive as male should not be allowed in open locker rooms. For some reason.
Which is conflating 2 issues into an excuse to deny someone their rights.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)Transphobia should NEVER be tolerated. No wiggle room.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)Along with: abortion is bad, white people aren't treated differently than PoC, burqas are the only feminist clothing (women who dance in skimpy costumes are sluts), projectile weapons are awesomesauce, please be sure not to vote for any Democrats at any level (except Warren) because reasons, etc etc etc.
Not a very progressive site in a lot of areas, is it? Don't get me wrong, I like the jury system, but it's only as good as its participants. I think we either need to broaden the MIRT banhammer or get a good deal more participation from the admin.
obxhead
(8,434 posts)REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Directly calls out a specific DUer through links.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Mar 8, 2015, 06:06 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Seems as though this needs discussion.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: You don't need to call out specific DUers just because of an unfortunate jury result.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: absofuckinglutely not hiding. in this case, sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: On initial inspection, I vote to leave this. Then, scrolling down I find a lot of META shit about previous alerts. I decided to leave it, regardless of the META argument because I imagine life is tough for all of us, especially those that are discriminated against the most.
Leave it. If a DU'er was called out, they should stand with pride about their own posts. I do when called for, and I apologize when called for.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter, you're going to have to do better than that. People write what they write and their username is attached to it. Either they stand by what they wrote or they don't; they don't need you to hide their words for them.
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)obxhead
(8,434 posts)ETA:
and I'll even admit to being #6.
I stand by my vote.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)I want Skinner & co. to say something about this.
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City Lights
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boston bean
(36,221 posts)pretty much absent from the discussion.
Why transwomen are threatened in mens restrooms? Seems like it's just to be accepted and well... it just is the way it is...
Seems like men are at the root of the problem, no?
Women have been afraid in public restrooms since forever.... It's not like violent things haven't happened to women before when visiting one... I'm not stating trans women are violent.
So, seems both cis and trans women have a real problem with men in these spaces. I'd like to see someone discussing that.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Who can safely use a woman's locker room?
Who can safely use a men's locker room?
And the OP'er just glosses over the FACT that some women may have understandable issues in certain situations.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)place for everybody.
Due to privacy concerns for everyone, surveillance is out, surveillance outside the restroom and possibly some type of alert system in the bathrooms may be the most practical solution. Similar to life alert or fire alarm that can be pushed and security dispatched to the bathroom/locker room immediately.
Problem is that most ideas involving the looks of the people involved are problematic. There are a lot of people out there that look androgynous, or have features that are "stereotypical" of one gender or another while they are themselves cis-gendered the other way, and this isn't even including transgender individuals.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)use the mens bathroom.
No one should have to feel any fear, I will agree, but that is pie in the sky. The truth of the issue is both cis and trans women are afraid of men in these spaces. That is a big crux of this issue. And the fear is not based on bigotry, but of a reality of the bigots who perpetrate the violence.
I think it's a big piece of the puzzle and one that isn't getting nearly enough focus or attention.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)The thing that annoyed me was the post was clearly transphobic, yet it was hidden by the narrowest of margins. I was obviously a hide, btw. Also, I noticed a few familiar faces in that thread posting things that shouldn't be acceptable at DU...
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Transphobic filth. Get this off DU.
From the post: "All the threads we have on DU about the stupidity of science-deniers, and yet somehow, it's considered bigotry to know that possessors of male bodies are actually men."
Ignorant and hurtful. Sounds like someone denying that men can be attracted to men.
Politics is not about men pretending to be women. It's all about how resources are distributed. And while you halfwits are demanding that men in dresses be accepted as women because they say they "feel like" women, we are slipping back into a feudal system that makes serfs of the 99%"
Yeah, fuck those civil rights and stuff. Who gives a crap, it's just men in dresses who don't deserve 'em anyways.
This poster asked for a ban, please send this to the admins so he can be given one.
JURY RESULTS
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Mar 7, 2015, 05:16 AM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I get the feeling this poster is more than Transphobic. I agree with the alerter, the administrators need to be notified on this. Hide it.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't think this is transphobic.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No matter how offensive or how much I might disagree with someone else's opinion(s), I'm willing to listen. When it comes to discussions on DU, banning a member for voicing his or her honest opinion is never helpful---in my honest opinion, of course. Therefore, my vote is to LEAVE IT.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The poster doesn't seem to grasp the reality of transgender. It's so much more nuanced than "men dressing in women's clothes," and this poster doesn't seem to "do" nuance. Although I can understand the logic from this person's perspective (with which I disagree), I don't think the post comports with DU's standards.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Urgh.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Jurur #3 is a regular on most juries that have to do with bigotry and always leave the finger wagging comments about how it's better to debate the opinion as though bigotry against minority groups is some sort of legitimate opinion, and how freedom of speech trumps all, and blah blah blah.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)people like that need to decline to serve until they get their heads the fuck out of their asses.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)So often, flat-out bigotry gets a pass. The trolls take advantage of the jury system and the resulting loose standards, and poison virtually all discussion here.
Then when people complain about shitheads on the board, they start crying "CENSORSHIP! RESPECT MY FREE SPEECH!" No. DU doesn't censor - it's a private board, not a government. Governments censor. DU's owners have the right to exercise control over what goes on their site (but usually choose not to), and they can tell toxic assholes to take their shit elsewhere.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I've seen it time and time again where bigotry gets a pass. This last week I've been told that the gay movement for civil rights is bad because of bakeries not selling cakes for gay weddings lose business. That race baiting is hella okay as long as it's a democrat doing it during a campaign. The black civil rights movement is destructive. And I decided that black history month is the most racist month in America. All the racists come out to act like shitheads. Somebody needs to write a few new rules and enforce the fuck out of them.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)trolls who are trolling, why should someone's transphobic opinions get a pass?
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)That's exactly the same as saying if a white supremacist turned up and started posting their poison at DU, we should leave it alone as it's another 'honest opinion'. When it comes to bigoted comments, I don't give a shit how honest they are about their own views, the point is that the views themselves are repulsive and should be hidden for being so.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)I know a few transgender people, including a friend of one of my kids so a young transgender kid in school. It seems pretty obvious to me how to handle it and that it shouldn't be a big deal, but maybe if I was thinking of this as a theoretical issue instead of something that affects the real people I know - a very tangible issue - it would seem more troubling?
I know transgender people never "let their gentials hang out" in public changing rooms/restrooms/etc. I was really bothered when I read that in a thread. It's such a huge stereotype and so contrary to the real world, where to do that would create huge potential negative reactions and very possibly violence. From what I've seen in my life, no one is as discreet as a transgender person in a bathroom, and for their own safety. This is a group of people that needs to be left alone and given some emotional support.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)Oklahoma_Liberal
(69 posts)Response to Humanist_Activist (Original post)
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LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Thank you for working to educate us, H_A.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Which means conservatives, bigots, racists, sexists are ok, as long as they check the box marked "Democrat".
Spazito
(50,365 posts)"The battle over the rights and freedoms of transgender individuals is the first great civil rights struggle of the 21st century. In the last five years, mainstream culture has woken up to the vivid presence of transgender people in their midst. From a generation of gender variant children and pop culture celebrities, to transitioning superstar athletes and soldiers, trans people have never been more visible.
Behind the headlines though, a darker picture emerges. Transgender people are among the most persecuted, least protected people in our society. Many transgender people live in fear of being evicted from their homes, being fired from their jobs, and being denied medical treatment. A 2011 survey of 6,000 transgender individuals found that more than half reported experiencing harassment in public accommodations, including bathrooms, restaurants, and hotels. More than one in three transgender people attempt suicide at some point in their lives. Violence is a constant threat, especially against transgender women.
TRANSFORMING GENDER tells this story exclusively through the voices of our characters. Through a set of compelling and intimate vignettes and narratives the film opens up the world of transgender people to an audience that may have little awareness of what it means, and what it is like, to be — fundamentally and in your deepest core — in conflict with the gender you were assigned at birth. And it’s a wide and richly nuanced reality, because every story of transition is different, and every transgender journey is different."
http://www.cbc.ca/doczone/episodes/transforming-gender
I posted the text from the page because, sadly, the video of this documentary is only available in Canada. I watched it and learned so much from it, I wish all could watch it.
Bryce Butler
(338 posts)Thanks for posting this. 
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)- yes, there probably are predatory males who would use or manipulate access to a women's locker room so that they can attack/rape a woman. The solution is not banning transwomen from a women's locker room. It defies logic. Anyone who identifies as a woman is going to act like a woman, penis or not.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Adding a locking message to this post...
Based on further host discussion we do see this OP as a sensitive issue and we also think it deserves further discussion. We have come to an agreement however that this OP does not meet the SOP of GD.
I'd personally encourage you to continue to bring up this issue, people are treated unfairly and trans issues are often disregarded. I'm sure I could have worded this better but know that my lock was NOT meant to stifle discussion of this important issue.
