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I could imagine it all too easily, just as the rest of the country has been seeing it all too clearly in the terrible images coming from Ferguson, Mo., in the aftermath of the killing of Michael Brown. On Friday, after a week of angry protests, the police in Ferguson finally identified the officer implicated in Brown's shooting, although the circumstances still remain unclear.
I have known the name of the policeman who killed my son, Michael, for ten years. And he is still working on the force in Kenosha.
Yes, there is good reason to think that many of these unjustifiable homicides by police across the country are racially motivated. But there is a lot more than that going on here. Our country is simply not paying enough attention to the terrible lack of accountability of police departments and the way it affects all of usregardless of race or ethnicity. Because if a blond-haired, blue-eyed boy that was my son, Michael can be shot in the head under a street light with his hands cuffed behind his back, in front of five eyewitnesses (including his mother and sister), and his father was a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel who flew in three wars for his country thats me and I still couldnt get anything done about it, then Joe the plumber and Javier the roofer arent going to be able to do anything about it either.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/08/what-i-did-after-police-killed-my-son-110038.html
KG
(28,751 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)We've been over this a thousand times. We get to vote for either of two ass kissing corporate shills plus there is no hitler. So no police state.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)If you look at no-shit police states both now (North Korea) and historically, we are nowhere close.
What we do have is an overly aggressive militarized police force with very little accountability and a general public that just doesn't care so long as far more black men are being killed than white.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I wouldn't trade my problems with North Korea, but they're still problems.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)I would even go so far as to say an aggressive and overly militarized police force is a real potential threat to democracy.
When police forces are being used to further partisan politician goals, then you have a police state.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Last edited Fri Dec 5, 2014, 05:24 PM - Edit history (2)
and defend our corporate oligarchy and its corruption. It's a corporate-authoritarian state being very carefully and deliberately constructed around us.
All these indignant denials take the same form:
There's no Hitler, we're not being burned alive in ovens, or we're still typing on the internet, or we aren't being lined up in the streets and shot (well, that one's certainly debatable, isn't it...).
As though the corporate owners of the United States of America, who rely on its reputation as the beacon of freedom and democracy in the world, can't find more effective and less politically damaging means to make sure dissent never materializes into anything seriously threatening to the PTB.
Psst. Our president has a "Kill List." And indefinite detention. And a surveillance state. And an entire secret government, secret laws and secret courts, operating alongside the one we are taught about in school. And all it takes to become part of that is for someone to invoke the word, "terrorism" and relate it to you.
"But that's a high bar!" all the sensible woodchucks will protest. "I TRUST my president! And it's only for TERRORISTS!"
Really? And do you trust the next one?
Actually, we're all being spied on. And "terrorism" is being invoked as a weapon against political dissent.Report Details How Counter Terrorism Apparatus Was Used to Monitor Occupy Movement Nationwide
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12527647
Whoop, There It Is... 'Evidence Homeland Security Coordinated Occupy Crackdown' -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002462465
ACLU discovers FBI is labeling peace activists as 'potential terrorists'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4500788
And the most sinister aspect of all of this is the fact that the language of terrorism and espionage is being actively expanded to include whatever citizens or groups the corporatists consider to be irritants: political enemies, protesters, even journalists.Protestors against Energy Company charged with terrorism
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024175848
Mission Creep: When Everything is Terrorism
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023279560
US Uses Espionage Act To Convict Manning Using Words Added In 1990: "with a computer"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023375845
Fed Court: Just changed interpretation of Espionage Act to cover leaks that are NOT Harmful To USA
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023365713
NY Times: White House Uses Espionage Act to Silence Employees, Press
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101616764
Obama Has Charged More Under Espionage Act Than All Other Presidents Combined
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023080388
If you are a One Percenter trying to effectively use the government you have purchased to manage unpleasant press about what you are doing, what do you do? Well, one tactic might be to try to get the government into the business of deciding who is a journalist. That way you can claim to establish "protections" for whistleblowers, when what you are actually doing is creating categories through which you can exclude from protection those you don't want to protect.http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023708417
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4976955
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4976082
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4976955
Yeah, journalism isn't doing too well in this country. One might say it is being murdered. There's a reason it's supposed to be protected by the First Amendment. That reason is not compatible with increasingly totalitarian corporate control.Petition Calls On Obama Stop Intimidation Of Journalists And Whistleblowers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025509395
Why Is President Obama Keeping a Journalist in Prison in Yemen
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023300531
James Clapper Calls Journalists "Criminal Accomplices" -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017174990
Reporters without Borders: 'Security interests threaten press freedom'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11333723
US Plummets In Press Freedom Rankings
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024487392
Obama's escalating war on Freedom of the Press
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023314296
Risen Case: War on Journalism coming to a head
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101699216
Government Surveillance Is Crippling Press Freedoms, Report Shows
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023902153
So....you shut up the journalists.
And you shut up the protesters.
Who else do you need to shut up?
Ah....all the people who work for the government, many of whom can be assumed to still have consciences and thus be potentially dangerous to the corporate coup of democracy. How do you handle them?
Well, you can fire them. See, it's *useful* for the government of an ostensibly free nation to have highly visible groups engaged in protest...like the Black Panthers, etc....and not to deny them employment or do anything serious to them. It gives the illusion of freedom. But look what we learned of recently, about how firings happen at the Federal Reserve:The Secret Goldman Sachs Tapes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025587384
But you can also wage legal war against their power to function as whistleblowers. And you assault the unions that protect them.The Obama administration/DOJ war on whistleblowers, federal unions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586389
You can institute draconian snitch rules to intimidate those who might be thinking about whistleblowing:President's 'rat out your co-worker' plan unlikely to work, experts say
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023214675
And you claim the right to spy on them even at home.
You let the dissent flourish, as long as it's safe dissent. But you take care of the stuff that has the potential to be truly threatening. Most importantly, you make a vicious example of those who carry through with revealing corruption:Daniel Ellsburg: Snowden would not get a fair trial today, was right to flee US
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11784497
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023198130
Bradley Manning: top US legal scholars voice outrage at torture
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x871563
That includes those who whistleblow on financial institutions, not just the government. Since you're not prosecuting the banking criminals, you have plenty of time to send up a guy who tried to identify them:Bradley Birkenfeld, UBS Whistleblower, Finds Himself in Federal Prison
http://www.cnbc.com//id/41257962
It's a delicate line to walk, all this intimidation while still claiming to be the beacon of freedom for the world. But the intimidation is necessary, because people are starting to catch on.
No, nobody has sent the jackboots to line up the protesters in front of everyone and methodically kill them. But we're seeing the next best thing.
Militarizing the hell out of the police departments. That way it's blamed on some "programs"....but it sends a clear psychological message to the upstarts.Stopping police militarization: Once again, the solution requires confronting corporate politicians.
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10025416709
Federal grants drive the militarization of police departments in America.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025383806
And then you get this:
And this:
Three of the five Occupy violence pics I used to use regularly now I cannot find anywhere on the internet; if I could, I'd put them here, too. The elderly woman tear-gassed, the mobs of jackbooted storm troopers surrounding a few people on a blanket...
And, meanwhile, out in the community, the militarized police are starting to terrorize ordinary citizens, mostly the impoverished and voiceless ones. But the corporate-controlled federal government keeps sending the hardware and the storm trooper uniforms, even encouraging it with grants, and they refuse to keep records on how many citizens have been murdered. How many were there this week?"What I've Learned from Two Years Collecting Data on Police Killings...
...I'm convinced to my core: The lack of such a database is intentional."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025429276
Twenty-Three People Killed by American Police in the Span of One Week
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025593137
We're all suspects, potential terrorists now. and the mechanisms are in place to ensure that any dissent that begins to bubble up can be handled and eliminated before it materializes in any serious way.
The truth is that you don't know what dissent may have already been cut off at the root, because of the elaborate, secret, unaccountable system that has been put into place. We know that the president has sought the power to lie in response to Freedom of Information requests. We know that data collected from NSA spying has been used to imprison Americans using false evidence trails. We know that the CIA can spy on the Senate Intelligence Committee with impunity and nothing is done about it, and that Clapper can lie to Congress and the Department of Justice can lie to the Supreme Court about spying and nothing is done. These are just the things we know.DEA Manuals Show Feds Use NSA Spy Data, Train Cops to Construct False Chains of Evidence
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4507611
Obama Admin Seeks Permission TO LIE In Response To Freedom of Information Requests - Even To The COURTS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2185303
DOJ lied to Supreme Court about domestic surveillance
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140514/06214727229/doj-still-trying-to-hide-fact-it-flat-out-lied-to-supreme-court-about-domestic-surveillance.shtml
The sensible woodchucks keep telling us that someone has to be actively involved in VERY SERIOUS TERRORISM against the United States of America in order for our government to start throwing *that* word around, or showing an interest in us. But we are all surveilled, and the methods for it keep expanding. If you think about it, it's GOOD for corporate control to have people posting dissent on the internet. It helps you know whom to watch. Voiced dissent is USEFUL as long as it doesn't lead to anything...you know, serious. Our corporate government is keeping an eye on us.
OKC protestors slapped with terrorism charges
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024175848
A Nation of "Suspects"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x5011487
http://www.truth-out.org/nation-suspects/1314810046
American Protesters Declared Enemy for Weapons Testing Purposes; Rules of Engagement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2132808#2139011
DoD Training Manual: Protests are "Low-Level Terrorism"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/100227662
Ridiculous FBI list: You might be a domestic terrorist if...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1790765
Doctors asked to identify potential terrorists under government plans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1261120&mesg_id=1261120
Do You Like Online Privacy? You May Be a Terrorist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002257966
Top US counterterrorism official: drone critics are Al Qaeda enablers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002279862
"Arrogant complaining about airport security is one indicator Transportation Security Administration officers consider when looking for possible criminals and terrorists"
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/04/15/tsa.screeners.complain/
N.S.A. Examines Social Networks of U.S. Citizens (Decision Made In Secret, in 2010)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014605329
Now, you tell me.
Why would the corporatists who have purchased into our government and rely on its reputation as the beacon of freedom and democracy for the world, use such heavy-handed and politically damaging tactics as shutting down the internet or ostentatiously lining up protesters to shoot them in the streets, when they have already put into place and legalized this elegant system to control dissent?
Yeah, I'm typing on the internet. That PROVES we're free.
druidity33
(6,446 posts)thank you for laying it all out. Bookmarking.
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)your post... a thing of beauty
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Everything you described is the result of an uninformed and apathetic electorate voting against their best interests. Like it or not the people are still free to vote for corporate interests (or not) if they so desire and the police aren't being used to strong-arm people into doing so. When force isn't being used, we all get exactly the government we deserve.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)What a pantload.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)grahampuba
(169 posts)you are also conflating terms.
you are confusing uninformed with misinformed by way of pervasive propaganda that would by most definitions qualify as psy-ops.
the people who you claim to be uninformed most likely consider themselves informed. Not to say there is not an abundance of apathy, but I'd say we more so lack empathy by way of the propaganda stream.
and why would you need to put on such a blatant display of power of strong arming voters when your propaganda is effective and then, barring effective propaganda campaigns, also have the ability to alter or disappear votes that would represent the few opposing citizens you have not been able to disenfranchise through the same system.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)If the right information isn't available, then misinformed might be accurate. When the right information is available, then apathy seems to be an accurate description for those who are uninformed, and "psy-ops" is another gross exaggeration for politics which haven't changed much since there's been politicians.
Your question is quite valid. Why would anyone need to put on such a blatant display of power and create a "police state" when the nation can be convinced to vote a certain way with a campaign that need not go any deeper than what fits on a bumper sticker?
Nay
(12,051 posts)that he is pushing for even more spying, etc. It's hard to blame the voters when both parties, as they gain office, act in the same way. We are not free to NOT vote for corporate interests because anyone with the money to run a campaign has already been bought and paid for by -- corporate interests.
It will be interesting to see if voters go wild in 2016 and go for Sanders or someone similar. Or maybe they won't show up at all because they don't see how voting will change anything....
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)...that aren't smart enough to recognize sloganeering and demagoguery. The police didn't elect Obama or contribute positively or negatively to his campaign in any way. Why would anyone need a "police state" under those conditions?
Nay
(12,051 posts)First, the U.S. public is not appreciably more or less smarter than any other group of citizens anywhere. MOST groups of people "aren't smart enough to recognize sloganeering and demagoguery" -- refer to Edward Bernays, any psych manual, any advertising agency. If sloganeering didn't work, there'd be no such network as Fox. There'd be no ads anywhere. There wouldn't be the farcical 'debates' we suffer through every election season.
Second, the police are more conservative individually than the rest of the population, so no, they aren't going to vote for a black man for president, esp a black man being smeared as a socialist on Fox. They would certainly not vote for him because they wanted a police state! They vote for the Republican who is more likely to give them that!
Why would anyone need a police state under those conditions? Well, they wouldn't, of course. It is arriving by stealth, not by coup, and not by votes. It's the difference between the police state in Orwell's 1984 and the police state in Huxley's Brave New World. We'll likely be more comfortable and be able to keep our toys in the brave new world, but it's still a police state.
IMO, the U.S. suffers from a severe lack of true leadership. Any sincere leader is handicapped by the need for millions of dollars to run a campaign; the media, which can highlight or hide gaffes, 'screams,' and broadcast outright lies, etc., to tilt the playing field deliberately; voting machine irregularities; deliberate vote suppression by Republicans. The idea that the people themselves can fix all this is pretty weak in practice. For sure, more people are going to have to be living under bridges before things change any.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)of laser focused power.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)What is the NSA really for?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024215519
"Clear evidence of collusion between TransCanada and the federal government assisting local police to unlawfully monitor and harass political protestors
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023049508
Corporate Espionage and the Secret War Against Citizen Activism
http://www.democraticunderground.com/111643982
NSA Spying Not Very Focused on Terrorism: Power, Money and Crushing Dissent Are Real Motives Ops
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023923016
Keiser Report: CIA, NSA & Economic Espionage (E498) (second half with Greg Palast)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017146372
Spooky Business: Corporate Espionage Against Non-profits
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024106205
NSA data could be most useful for connected types on Wall Street.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022983519
NSA spied on EU's Anti Trust Chief
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024204596
2011: Wall Street firms spy on protesters with police in tax-funded center
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023286585
OUTRAGEOUS: Our Tax Money Funds Gov Surveillance Center In Lower Manhattan--& Wall St IsPart Of It!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2178769
Report Details How Counter Terrorism Apparatus Was Used to Monitor Occupy Movement Nationwide
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12527647
NSA Monitors Porn Habits To Discredit 'Radicalizers'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024099994
How FBI Monitored Occupy Movement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101651867
FBI started surveillance of Occupy before it occupied
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10022930860
Wall Street Protesters Complain of Police Surveillance
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101618930
Whoop, There It Is... 'Evidence Homeland Security Coordinated Occupy Crackdown' -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002462465
ACLU discovers FBI is labeling peace activists as 'potential terrorists'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4500788
Why is FBI Manufacturing Reasons to Arrest Occupy Protesters, Ignoring White Supremacist Violence
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12522821
DHS Tracked Occupy Wall Street to 'Control Protesters
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101463537
'Occupy' crackdowns coordinated with federal law enforcement officials
http://www.examiner.com/top-news-in-minneapolis/were-occupy-crackdowns-aided-by-federal-law-enforcement-agencies
FBI uses new powers to bug anti-war groups
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x237625
ACLU: FBI instructs police to suppress peaceful protests
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x253574
Ridiculous FBI list: You might be a domestic terrorist if ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1790765
American Protesters Declared Enemy for Weapons Testing Purposes; Rules of Engagement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2132808#2139011
DoD Training Manual: Protests are "Low-Level Terrorism"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/100227662
NSA, DEA fabricating evidence trails to imprison Americans using spying.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023406605
ACLU: On revenge and the NSA
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023491532
On the Espionage Act charges against Edward Snowden Glenn Greenwald
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023066929
US Uses Espionage Act To Convict Manning Using Words Added In 1990: "with a computer"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023375845
Fed Court: Just changed interpretation of Espionage Act to cover leaks that are NOT Harmful To USA
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023365713
Obama's abuse of the Espionage Act is modern-day McCarthyism
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023413935
NY Times: White House Uses Espionage Act to Silence Employees, Press
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101616764
Obama Has Charged More Under Espionage Act Than All Other Presidents Combined
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023080388
A Nation of "Suspects"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x5011487
http://www.truth-out.org/nation-suspects/1314810046
That magic word, "terrorism." The government's identification of those needing further scrutiny
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022730456#post13
Do You Like Online Privacy? You May Be a Terrorist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002257966
"Arrogant complaining about airport security is one indicator Transportation Security Administration officers consider when looking for possible criminals and terrorists"
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/04/15/tsa.screeners.complain/
Top US counterterrorism official: drone critics are Al Qaeda enablers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002279862
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)In other words , STFU and pretend everything is rosy, women and POC.
That shit gets old, does it not?
Nay
(12,051 posts)knoooooooown!!?!!"
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)this extreme black and white crap does not help.
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)then you have a police state
it doesn't have to be as explicit as North Korea's to be one
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Nobody is legally required to carry ID in the first place.
The term "police state" can mean anything anyone wants, but if you can't compare our society with present or historical police states then it's hard to image how the term can reasonably apply. The term generally means an authoritarian government that uses the police force to consolidate power and that's not what our police do. They are simply allowed to run amok so long as the people they are oppressing are mostly minorities.
Hatchling
(2,323 posts)It's not pleasant.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Which is a good case for reeling in the police and demanding responsibility and accountability.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)On the flimsiest of pretexts, I do not see calling this a police state is an exaggeration, much less a "gross exaggeration".
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Thanks for proving my point.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)When the police threw the people out of Zuccati Park, and other places, all at the same time, this was not the action of a Police State?
Think again, my friend. We are not at the state of North Korea, but we are quickly approaching it.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)Is a nonfunctional government and and out of control police force. You don't actually need a dictator.
CrispyQ
(36,478 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)historical police states. Police states in the past used powerful leaders, thousands of spies in every neighborhood, police run amok. We're getting the 'police run amok' part going, but we have replaced the 'strong leader' and 'thousands of spies' with anonymous corporate control and vast electronic surveillance. The surveillance we are under today is an order of magnitude higher than any surveillance in the past, even the recent past. It also is invisible to most of those surveiled, so they aren't alarmed -- it's not like there's a shadowy STASI agent standing outside under the streetlight, looking up at your window. You won't know anything until they bust your door in at 2 a.m.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)world wide wally
(21,744 posts)pretty much know the laws we need to know to get by in this country. And if we don't, we can usually look them up.
Now, can anybody tell me exactly what rules cops play by?
I grew up thinking that the same laws applied to everyone and we were all "supposed to be" equal under the law for better or worse. But now I see that police get to play by a completely different set of rules. Can anybody tell me where to find them so I don't get myself shot?
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)and pray they don't find a reason to target you while you are cowering in your home, with the lights off, hoping they don't notice that you exist
it goes something like that.
cleduc
(653 posts)can experience - the loss of their child.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)that is the only way that we get the civil rights unit of the Justice Department involved. But I also want this to include other people who have been unfairly targeted - the homeless, mentally ill, other disabled people etc. If the others are not included we are not seeing the whole picture. The police forces in this country are out of control and need to be stopped.
Sorry about your son.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)For a short while I thought that when the justice system broke down at the state level, as in Ferguson and now in NY, we could rely on the Federal Govt to administer some kind of accountability. But then I did some research and I found out that when it comes to Killer Cops, that is not the case. It is extremely rare for the Federal Govt to convict a cop.
We are treated to all kinds of excuses 'he smoked pot' eg when it is clear they cannot claim their lives were in danger. The demonization of the victim begins.
Watch how gingerly all of our elected officials address these murders by police? Has even one of them just spoken out boldly about the FACTS that are available for anyone who cares to spend a little time finding them?
What I found out was that the militarization of the police, eg, is the work of Congress and Homeland Security.
The cops view the American people as the enemy and it appears our government likes it that way.
So cops will continue to murder US Citizens with no accountability until the ENTIRE SYSTEM is changed.
Wilson's excuse for the murder of Michael Brown was 'I followed my training'. That was supposed to assuage the anger of the people.
What it must do is to take his word for it, that his training is a huge threat to public safety obviously. And then begin the process of reforming the entire system.
But will that happen? We'll see, but I doubt it. We will hear platitudes so long as the protests continue, but behind the scenes, I doubt there is any agreement that they system THEY set up, needs to be changed at all.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Yes, it is federally driven, and, yes, it is part of the larger corporate authoritarian state being built around us.
Nay
(12,051 posts)mulsh
(2,959 posts)from most of the people I've said it to. Most of them say "but you're not black" as if that is what is important.
That's what disturbs me most about the recent attention to murderous police. We ceded way too much power to people in relative authority and are finally being made painfully aware of the price.
We as a country need to grab back most of that power. It may be too late bit if we don't try it will definitely be too late.
cpamomfromtexas
(1,245 posts)but apparently I wasn't dark enough to ask that question.
I've come to a lot of conclusions lately regarding that fact.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Boy are they worthless...glad this guy turned this into something positive.
The Blue Flower
(5,442 posts)All I got out of the article was that the author finally had to resign himself to the reality that cops aren't held accountable for the murder of citizens.
TBF
(32,064 posts)I've read about this (originally from Wis) and Scott Walker actually signed it into law. BUT I have read in stories that there have been cases of shootings where cops have turned off their cameras. So, it they are allowed to turn them off why bother?
treestar
(82,383 posts)I can believe her son was shot but not that the cop was not charged for it if it happened as she says.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)I recommend the article in its entirety. Good stuff there.
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ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)He was a lot harder on himself than his department was, apparently.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)It does help to read more than headlines ... even when you're a conservative.
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)Sure seems like it.
No, that cop was actually the only one ever found guilty before the new law. Albert Gonzalez is the cop who shot Michael, and he's still on the force 10 years later.
CAN YOU READ?????????
Stop picking shit out to fit your agenda.
It gets so goddamned fucking aggravating to read the bullshit and lies conservatives constantly spread. Seriously.
Y'all should take some reading comprehension courses.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)It may even be the current functioning definition of conservative.
It is funny that they like to call themselves reality based when the more conservative you are the more thumbing your nose at reality one must do. A 6,000 year old world, Voodoo Economics, racism, anti tax zealotry, sexisim, Jesus riding a dinosaur, you name it they got plenty of some crazy, mad bullshit for ya.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)It is as much a part of the corporate takeover as mass surveillance, the murder of investigative journalism, indefinite detention, persecution of whistleblowers, propaganda machines...
Ferguson is a corporate-exploited community...one of many, many more to come under corporate fascist rule.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5915944
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)who killed his son is free to roam around and do whatever he likes.
How do you live with that as a parent?
How do people like Albert Gonzalez in Kenosha get up every day and not collapse in horror at what terrible, evil human beings they are?
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)It can be very burdensome to contain within. Understanding misunderstandings has a small window to see the bigger picture.
undeterred
(34,658 posts)in Madison WI in 2012. White man, white cop.
Yes, people are scared when a stranger comes into their home. But this is the kind of situation police should be trained to handle. The officer involved had a bad history.
This case also did a lot to get the law passed.
http://host.madison.com/news/local/crime_and_courts/newly-released-police-records-shed-additional-light-on-paul-heenan/article_315e18ac-82e0-11e2-b277-0019bb2963f4.html