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Evidence Homeland Security Coordinated Occupy CrackdownLawyers Guild Expects More Documents
by DAVE LINDORFF - CounterPunch
WEEKEND EDITION MARCH 23-25, 2012
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If you want to know where the real government of the United States is located, just check out one of the documents http://www.justiceonline.org/commentary/dhs.html received by the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund in response to their Freedom of Information Act request to the Dept. of Homeland Security relating to surveillance of the Occupy Movement. That document, from the Secret Service, dated September 17, 2011, the day the Occupy movement began on Wall Street, from the US Secret Service Intelligence Division, titled Prism Demonstrations Abstract, list the location as Wall Street Bull a reference to the bronze statue of a bull on Wall Street in front of the New York Stock Exchange, and the protectee as The United States Government.
As the National Lawyers Guild comments dryly, American taxpayers might find it odd to learn that the Secret Service was on duty to protect the Wall Street Bull in the name of protecting the U.S. Government. But there it is.
The trove of 398 documents (many of them heavily censored) received on behalf of thePCJF, the NLG and filmmaker Michael Moore, consists primarily of materials from top Homeland Security Officials, which PCJF Executive Director Mara Verhayden Hilliard says is a deliberate effort by Homeland Security officials to deflect attention from the workings of the mid-level intelligence staff of the various agencies within DHS who do the spying, and the so-called Fusion Centers around the country all wholly funded by DHSwhich link federal agencies like the FBI with local and state police agencies.
Its all a game of hide-the-ball says Verhayden Hilliard, who adds that the National Lawyers Guild is challenging the effort by insisting on getting the records from all levels, including the Fusion centers. Even so, she says that the documents obtained so far show the extraordinary attention that federal intelligence and police agencies from the Secret Service to the FBI to the Federal Protective Service and others devoted to the Occupy movement from its inception. The documents we received were only from the highest officials in DHS, she stresses, which shows that the government was highly concerned about Occupy at the highest levels of government.
The National Lawyers Guild explains that documents show that the DHS, in responding to its FOIA request, looked only at records of the Intelligence & Analysis division and the Federal Protective Service, where any intelligence documents relating to the Occupy Movement had already been purged, restricted and/or rescinded, and avoided, in responding to the documents request, looking for Occupy movement-related materials where they are likely to be found, including in Fusion Centers and DHS sub-division such as the Operations Coordination & Planning sub-division which is responsible for DHS coordination with local and federal law enforcement partners.
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More: http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/03/23/evidence-homeland-security-coordinated-occupy-crackdown/print
To See The Documents: http://www.justiceonline.org/commentary/dhs.html
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)stand on your head.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)<snip>
"The Department of Homeland Security struggled to avoid monitoring or suppressing the Occupy Wall Street movement last year, despite being bombarded with requests from various federal agencies for intelligence on the protests, according to documents released via the Freedom of Information Act.
The documents show that officials in DHS's offices of Intelligence Analysis and Civil Rights and Civil Liberties were keenly aware of the legal and constitutional issues raised by federal agencies monitoring political protesters, and sought to tamp down the appetite for intelligence on the Occupy protesters from their colleagues in DHS and other federal agencies that rely on DHS bulletins and intelligence.
The records also show that the efforts weren't always successfulthere are several instances of DHS gathering and distributing intelligence on Occupy protesters without much justification. DHS released 340 redacted pages in response to a Freedom of Information Request we filed for records concerning the Occupy movement; it characterized them as an "interim release," suggesting that more records will be forthcoming."
http://gawker.com/5895202/internal-documents-show-the-department-of-homeland-security-tried-pretty-hard-not-to-monitor-occupy-wall-street
WillyT
(72,631 posts)These documents, many of which are redacted, show that the highest officials in the Department of Homeland Security were preoccupied with the Occupy movement and have gone out of their way to project the appearance of an absence of federal involvement in the monitoring of and crackdown on Occupy.
On the street it would be called Three Card Monte, a swindlers game to hide the ball -- a game of misdirection. The House always wins.
The DHS, as revealed in the newly released documents, has engaged in what appears to be a effort to avoid looking for Occupy related materials where it is likely to be found, including in Fusion Centers and DHS sub-divisions such as the Operations Coordination & Planning sub-division which is responsible for DHS coordination with local and federal law enforcement partners.
Link: http://www.justiceonline.org/commentary/dhs.html
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)there are no national documents, they claim the only place you would find documents would be on the local level.
They have no proof, so they're changing their argument.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Either that, or you may be in denial.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)There's more proof Obama was born in Kenya than that the Obama administration coordinated the crackdowns.
PCJF is now demanding to see the long form. Pretty soon they'll be talking about layering.
randome
(34,845 posts)Priceless.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)I believe the DHS was...
But it shows what you are afraid people might end up believing...
In poker... that called "a tell".
For me... I just want the transparency we were promised.
Another promise that was broken, BTW.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)That is what is properly known as a 'tell.'
By your logic, people who refute the birthers are really afraid of his true birthplace coming out.
These documents were released. Not sure what your complaint is.
People asked for documents examining the national DHS role regarding OWS. They got the documents from the national level.
There is nothing that could convince you that DHS didn't do it. Nothing. You believe it in the complete absence of evidence.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)the departmental subdivisions that might have had the info the were looking for...
It does tend to raise suspicions.
How come they don't with you.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Moreover, they asked for proof of DHS's involvement in coordinating a nationwide crackdown. You would look for those in national records in the central bureaucracy.
You would NOT expect to find proof of a nationwide conspiracy at the local level.
Moreover, like every FOIA request, they had to pick and choose where they looked for this stuff in order to make the production timely. Had they searched every single document in the DHS database, it could have been 2013 before they were done.
There is zero proof supporting your claim. That makes it not a theory, but a religious belief.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)And who said the "conspiracy had to be nationwide???
Oakland Mayor Quan already said that they were on the phone with DHS.
So if they just helped out "certain cities" that would be Ok with you???
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Go ahead and google.
She did not say that.
You realize that citing absence of evidence as proof of a conspiracy is what the Truthers/Birthers do right?
WillyT
(72,631 posts)PERF - Police Executive Research Forum
Link: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/19/1038054/-Confirmed-Police-Executive-Research-Forum-PERF-coordinating-Occupy-raids
WillyT
(72,631 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)DHS would regard the OWS movement as "peaceful protests", that DHS would get involved only if protests took place on federal property, &, yes, it appears there was regard for constitutional boundaries.
I've only read halfway through that set, but I'm taking all this with a grain of salt.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)From the analysis of the documents.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)based apparently on monitoring of email, twitter and Facebook communications among Occupy organizers, of the coming Occupy actions.
Notice how they claim that there's monitoring of email without any proof that email has been monitored.
OWS was using public media to broadcast its plans.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)So monitoring Twitter and Facebook is A-OK, but e-mail would be out of bounds???
Please... explain further.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)People put stuff on Twitter with the hope that as many people as possible read it.
This is basic stuff.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)so that anyone can read it.
What you're arguing is that reading Democratic Underground or any other website is like wiretapping.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)do you feel that the new trend amongst employers and higher education to monitor the online postings of employees or faculty and students to be like wiretapping? i mean when it is a condition of employment or enrollment and they have the option of giving the info or going elsewhere
i know that they are public sites but the mining for information going on makes me kind of...nervous? maybe uneasy is more apt
i have all my settings set to private but i can see how a lot of info can be freely gathered without leaving the public bandwidth.
i keep my online footprint tiny because of it.
i am not responding to any of the previous posts except this one about public websites.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)If they want to act, they'll find the way to do it.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Who's got your back, America?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)water is wet and the sky (after looking outside) is still blue. Wall Street owns me and now they own you. Worship the BULL! Quick! Someone smelt together a golden calf ASAP!
leveymg
(36,418 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Can't wait for more documents to be revealed!!!
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)The Big Finance Boyz are plundering the American people, and when the people object, the government swoops into action to side with . . . the Big Finance Boyz. Only don't look like you're siding with Big Finance, keep it on the QT, misdirecting requests for information and purging, restricting or rescinding anything that looks a little too chummy.
But fuck it; 147% of liberals approve of the Obama administration, so the only people who could possibly be upset about this must not be liberals.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)exactly changed since this was debunked: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002458308#post5
WillyT
(72,631 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)You know that Prosense's word is as good a proof as is needed?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"You know that Prosense's word is as good a proof as is needed?"
...all the proof I need from people who spend all their time making shit up.
President Obama and His Key Advisors are a Gang of War Criminals
http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/1081
http://thiscantbehappening.net/node/913
WillyT
(72,631 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Response to WillyT (Reply #34)
Post removed
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Born in 1949, Lindorff lives just outside Philadelphia.
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Lindorff
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Lindorff stated that Obama should be hanged at the gallows at the end of the article.
He HATES Obama as much as David Duke does.
Utterly lacking in credibility outside the group of folks on the left who hate him as much as the Teabaggers do.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)I yawned my head off when I saw the title of this OP but now I get it. If there would be anyone still going on about trying to find the "links" between the feds and the Occupy arrests, it would be the idiot that posted what has to be the world's most moronic image.
If that pic doesn't show very clearly what his agenda is and what he's about, then NOTHING will.
exactly is your subject line, i never see it... weird, might wanna get a new browser
"where exactly is your subject line, i never see it... weird, might wanna get a new browser "
...did you find my post if you couldn't "see it"? I saw yours.
Maybe you should get a "new browser"
you
TownDrunk2
(63 posts)just sayin' they're practicing
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)not
calling a DU'er a freeper, with a worn-out, high-schooler's line, is about as lame as you can get on DU.
you must be proud!
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)I'm guessing some amount of people will refrain from protesting or speaking out against corporate greed because they quite reasonably fear ending up on a government watch list.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)just how shocked exactly should I act?
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Despite all the...
Nevermind...