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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 06:07 PM Mar 2012

Whoop, There It Is... 'Evidence Homeland Security Coordinated Occupy Crackdown' - CounterPunch

Evidence Homeland Security Coordinated Occupy Crackdown
Lawyers Guild Expects More Documents

by DAVE LINDORFF - CounterPunch
WEEKEND EDITION MARCH 23-25, 2012

<snip>

If you want to know where the real government of the United States is located, just check out one of the documents http://www.justiceonline.org/commentary/dhs.html received by the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund in response to their Freedom of Information Act request to the Dept. of Homeland Security relating to surveillance of the Occupy Movement. That document, from the Secret Service, dated September 17, 2011, the day the Occupy movement began on Wall Street, from the US Secret Service Intelligence Division, titled Prism Demonstrations Abstract, list the location as “Wall Street Bull” — a reference to the bronze statue of a bull on Wall Street in front of the New York Stock Exchange, and the “protectee” as “The United States Government.”

As the National Lawyers Guild comments dryly, “American taxpayers might find it odd to learn that the Secret Service was on duty to protect the Wall Street Bull in the name of protecting the U.S. Government. But there it is.”

The trove of 398 documents (many of them heavily censored) received on behalf of thePCJF, the NLG and filmmaker Michael Moore, consists primarily of materials from top Homeland Security Officials, which PCJF Executive Director Mara Verhayden Hilliard says is a deliberate effort by Homeland Security officials to deflect attention from the workings of the mid-level intelligence staff of the various agencies within DHS who do the spying, and the so-called Fusion Centers around the country — all wholly funded by DHS–which link federal agencies like the FBI with local and state police agencies.

“It’s all a game of hide-the-ball” says Verhayden Hilliard, who adds that the National Lawyers Guild is challenging the effort by insisting on getting the records from all levels, including the Fusion centers. Even so, she says that the documents obtained so far show the extraordinary attention that federal intelligence and police agencies from the Secret Service to the FBI to the Federal Protective Service and others devoted to the Occupy movement from its inception. “The documents we received were only from the highest officials in DHS,” she stresses, “which shows that the government was highly concerned about Occupy at the highest levels of government.”

The National Lawyers Guild explains that documents show that the DHS, in responding to its FOIA request, looked only at records of the Intelligence & Analysis division and the Federal Protective Service, where any intelligence documents relating to the Occupy Movement had already been “purged, restricted and/or rescinded,” and avoided, in responding to the documents request, looking for Occupy movement-related materials “where they are likely to be found, including in Fusion Centers and DHS sub-division such as the Operations Coordination & Planning sub-division which is responsible for DHS coordination with local and federal law enforcement partners.”


<snip>

More: http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/03/23/evidence-homeland-security-coordinated-occupy-crackdown/print

To See The Documents: http://www.justiceonline.org/commentary/dhs.html

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Whoop, There It Is... 'Evidence Homeland Security Coordinated Occupy Crackdown' - CounterPunch (Original Post) WillyT Mar 2012 OP
Everyone who is surprised by this hifiguy Mar 2012 #1
Then again... Scurrilous Mar 2012 #2
From The PCJF: WillyT Mar 2012 #5
Logic FAIL. They allege a national crackdown coordinated by the DHS, but then when geek tragedy Mar 2012 #18
Well... You Are Certainly Working Hard On The Administration's Behalf... WillyT Mar 2012 #22
No, I just hold myself to a higher standard than Orly Taitz. geek tragedy Mar 2012 #23
LOL! randome Mar 2012 #26
For The Record... I Didn't Say The Obama Administration Was Coordinating This... You Did... WillyT Mar 2012 #28
You said I was working on the 'administration's behalf.' geek tragedy Mar 2012 #29
Maybe The Fact That The Documents Had Many Redactions, And That They Were Steered Away From... WillyT Mar 2012 #30
Have you ever seen a FOIA production? They always have redactions--names, phone numbers, etc. geek tragedy Mar 2012 #33
Well Hallelujah !!! - So Which One Holds The Secrets Of A "Nationwide Conspiracy" ??? WillyT Mar 2012 #35
Quan did not say she was on the phone with DHS. Stop making shit up. geek tragedy Mar 2012 #38
Oh Damn... You're Right... She Was On The Phone With PERF... Which Coordinates With DHS... WillyT Mar 2012 #46
Oh... And Then There's THIS !!! WillyT Mar 2012 #49
I began reading the third set of document links & most of them reiterated that pacalo Mar 2012 #6
Maybe... But... WillyT Mar 2012 #9
Here's an example of making shit up: geek tragedy Mar 2012 #20
I Believe They Call That... A Distinction, Without A Difference... WillyT Mar 2012 #24
Twitter: public broadcast on the web. Email: private, need a search warrant. geek tragedy Mar 2012 #27
And Facebook ??? WillyT Mar 2012 #31
Just like Twitter. Completely not private. Especially if you set the settings geek tragedy Mar 2012 #39
pardon my intrusion but SwampG8r Mar 2012 #54
Your second excerpt is why I take DHS's written word with a grain of salt. pacalo Mar 2012 #47
There is no separation of church and state when the object of worship is Mammon. Octafish Mar 2012 #3
God is not happy that some are worshiping the golden bull. nm rhett o rick Mar 2012 #10
The bots protect their paymasters, again Rex Mar 2012 #4
Important article. Thanks for posting this! leveymg Mar 2012 #7
Second and third. nm rhett o rick Mar 2012 #8
And You Too, rhett !!! WillyT Mar 2012 #16
You Are Quite Welcome !!! WillyT Mar 2012 #13
There's some transparency you can believe in gratuitous Mar 2012 #11
What ProSense Mar 2012 #12
I'm Sorry... I'm Not Seeing The Debunking At Your Link WillyT Mar 2012 #14
Don't MannyGoldstein Mar 2012 #25
Here's ProSense Mar 2012 #32
Locking: Off Topic WillyT Mar 2012 #34
Alert: Lacking credibility. ProSense Mar 2012 #36
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #37
wow... really... REALLY ??? WillyT Mar 2012 #40
Counterpunch is an insane, antisemitic crapfest of a magazine. geek tragedy Mar 2012 #42
BTW... Another... "Tell" WillyT Mar 2012 #41
Oh my God, is that the same guy?? Number23 Mar 2012 #43
where got root Mar 2012 #44
How ProSense Mar 2012 #48
did got root Mar 2012 #50
can't wait for some of those "surgical precision" drone strikes ... TownDrunk2 Mar 2012 #15
The Freepers called, they want their Black Helicopters paranoid fantasy back. nt geek tragedy Mar 2012 #21
lol got root Mar 2012 #45
It's kind of intimidating limpyhobbler Mar 2012 #17
Why I am not surprised? n/t Zalatix Mar 2012 #19
K&R. nt OnyxCollie Mar 2012 #51
Gee...given the long history of this crap nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #52
Not Shocked, Just Confirmed... WillyT Mar 2012 #53
Morning Kick... WillyT Mar 2012 #55

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
2. Then again...
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 06:12 PM
Mar 2012
Internal Documents Show the Department of Homeland Security Tried Pretty Hard Not to Monitor Occupy Wall Street

<snip>

"The Department of Homeland Security struggled to avoid monitoring or suppressing the Occupy Wall Street movement last year, despite being bombarded with requests from various federal agencies for intelligence on the protests, according to documents released via the Freedom of Information Act.

The documents show that officials in DHS's offices of Intelligence Analysis and Civil Rights and Civil Liberties were keenly aware of the legal and constitutional issues raised by federal agencies monitoring political protesters, and sought to tamp down the appetite for intelligence on the Occupy protesters from their colleagues in DHS and other federal agencies that rely on DHS bulletins and intelligence.

The records also show that the efforts weren't always successful—there are several instances of DHS gathering and distributing intelligence on Occupy protesters without much justification. DHS released 340 redacted pages in response to a Freedom of Information Request we filed for records concerning the Occupy movement; it characterized them as an "interim release," suggesting that more records will be forthcoming."

http://gawker.com/5895202/internal-documents-show-the-department-of-homeland-security-tried-pretty-hard-not-to-monitor-occupy-wall-street

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
5. From The PCJF:
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 06:38 PM
Mar 2012
The DHS’s Game of Three Card Monte to Deflect Disclosure of Law Enforement Operations

These documents, many of which are redacted, show that the highest officials in the Department of Homeland Security were preoccupied with the Occupy movement and have gone out of their way to project the appearance of an absence of federal involvement in the monitoring of and crackdown on Occupy.

On the street it would be called “Three Card Monte,” a swindler’s game to hide the ball -- a game of misdirection. The House always wins.

The DHS, as revealed in the newly released documents, has engaged in what appears to be a effort to avoid looking for Occupy related materials where it is likely to be found, including in Fusion Centers and DHS sub-divisions such as the Operations Coordination & Planning sub-division which is responsible for DHS coordination with local and federal law enforcement partners.


Link: http://www.justiceonline.org/commentary/dhs.html


 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
18. Logic FAIL. They allege a national crackdown coordinated by the DHS, but then when
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:21 PM
Mar 2012

there are no national documents, they claim the only place you would find documents would be on the local level.

They have no proof, so they're changing their argument.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
22. Well... You Are Certainly Working Hard On The Administration's Behalf...
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:24 PM
Mar 2012

Either that, or you may be in denial.


 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
23. No, I just hold myself to a higher standard than Orly Taitz.
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:26 PM
Mar 2012

There's more proof Obama was born in Kenya than that the Obama administration coordinated the crackdowns.

PCJF is now demanding to see the long form. Pretty soon they'll be talking about layering.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
28. For The Record... I Didn't Say The Obama Administration Was Coordinating This... You Did...
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:34 PM
Mar 2012

I believe the DHS was...

But it shows what you are afraid people might end up believing...

In poker... that called "a tell".



For me... I just want the transparency we were promised.

Another promise that was broken, BTW.


 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
29. You said I was working on the 'administration's behalf.'
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:38 PM
Mar 2012

That is what is properly known as a 'tell.'

By your logic, people who refute the birthers are really afraid of his true birthplace coming out.

These documents were released. Not sure what your complaint is.

People asked for documents examining the national DHS role regarding OWS. They got the documents from the national level.

There is nothing that could convince you that DHS didn't do it. Nothing. You believe it in the complete absence of evidence.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
30. Maybe The Fact That The Documents Had Many Redactions, And That They Were Steered Away From...
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:47 PM
Mar 2012

the departmental subdivisions that might have had the info the were looking for...

It does tend to raise suspicions.

How come they don't with you.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
33. Have you ever seen a FOIA production? They always have redactions--names, phone numbers, etc.
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:00 PM
Mar 2012

Moreover, they asked for proof of DHS's involvement in coordinating a nationwide crackdown. You would look for those in national records in the central bureaucracy.

You would NOT expect to find proof of a nationwide conspiracy at the local level.

Moreover, like every FOIA request, they had to pick and choose where they looked for this stuff in order to make the production timely. Had they searched every single document in the DHS database, it could have been 2013 before they were done.

There is zero proof supporting your claim. That makes it not a theory, but a religious belief.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
35. Well Hallelujah !!! - So Which One Holds The Secrets Of A "Nationwide Conspiracy" ???
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:08 PM
Mar 2012

And who said the "conspiracy had to be nationwide???

Oakland Mayor Quan already said that they were on the phone with DHS.

So if they just helped out "certain cities" that would be Ok with you???




 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
38. Quan did not say she was on the phone with DHS. Stop making shit up.
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:11 PM
Mar 2012

Go ahead and google.

She did not say that.

You realize that citing absence of evidence as proof of a conspiracy is what the Truthers/Birthers do right?

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
46. Oh Damn... You're Right... She Was On The Phone With PERF... Which Coordinates With DHS...
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:58 PM
Mar 2012

PERF - Police Executive Research Forum

Many of us have been wondering why the raids on Occupy camps across the country have had such a coordinated feel. If only the official response to real social ills could have been as timely and widespread as the crackdown on peaceful demonstrators expressing their freedom of speech, assembly, and the press covering their protest. An article at Examiner.com was understandably derided as being under-sourced for a charge as serious as a national DHS crackdown on non-violent protests. However, we have now received confirmation via Amy Goodman's interview on the 11/17 episode of Democracy Now! http://www.democracynow.org/2011/11/17/paramilitary_policing_of_occupy_wall_street with PERF Executive Director Chuck Wexler that this private NGO coordinated high-level conference calls amongst 40 police chiefs, distinct from the mayoral "therapy session" referred to by Oakland Mayor Jean Quan, in order to broadcast advice and documentation about cracking down on the Occupy social movement.


Link: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/19/1038054/-Confirmed-Police-Executive-Research-Forum-PERF-coordinating-Occupy-raids

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
6. I began reading the third set of document links & most of them reiterated that
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 06:50 PM
Mar 2012

DHS would regard the OWS movement as "peaceful protests", that DHS would get involved only if protests took place on federal property, &, yes, it appears there was regard for constitutional boundaries.

I've only read halfway through that set, but I'm taking all this with a grain of salt.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
9. Maybe... But...
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 07:13 PM
Mar 2012
Also suspicious is an email exchange dated September 29, 2011, in which DHS officials are discussing a National Cybersecurity and Communications Integration Center alert, based apparently on monitoring of email, twitter and Facebook communications among Occupy organizers, of the coming Occupy actions. The exchange is about how to respond to inevitable media inquiries about the DHS’s role in monitoring and obstructing the Occupy movement. The whole discussion is redacted from the documents, though one participant is shown writing “Here it is. That answer works.”


The documents also, while repeatedly noting that “most” of the Occupy actions are “peaceful” and “first amendment protected,” go on to note that under the principle of “congruence,” the DHS could initiate surveillance if there were some report of a possible threat or illegal action. As Verhayden Hilliard observes, “The congruence concept, which they discuss in the documents, is the idea that if it would be improper to overtly collect intelligence or to surveil people engaged in free speech activities, as long as you can link it to some allegation of criminal activity, then you can do it. In short, it’s a pretext. So an informant, a provocateur or anyone, credible or not, supported or not, even anonymous, can give them “some reason” to suspect possible criminal activity. Then they can engage in intelligence gathering.”


From the analysis of the documents.


 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
20. Here's an example of making shit up:
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:23 PM
Mar 2012
based apparently on monitoring of email, twitter and Facebook communications among Occupy organizers, of the coming Occupy actions.


Notice how they claim that there's monitoring of email without any proof that email has been monitored.

OWS was using public media to broadcast its plans.
 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
24. I Believe They Call That... A Distinction, Without A Difference...
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:28 PM
Mar 2012

So monitoring Twitter and Facebook is A-OK, but e-mail would be out of bounds???

Please... explain further.


 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
27. Twitter: public broadcast on the web. Email: private, need a search warrant.
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:32 PM
Mar 2012

People put stuff on Twitter with the hope that as many people as possible read it.

This is basic stuff.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
39. Just like Twitter. Completely not private. Especially if you set the settings
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:15 PM
Mar 2012

so that anyone can read it.

What you're arguing is that reading Democratic Underground or any other website is like wiretapping.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
54. pardon my intrusion but
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 11:36 PM
Mar 2012

do you feel that the new trend amongst employers and higher education to monitor the online postings of employees or faculty and students to be like wiretapping? i mean when it is a condition of employment or enrollment and they have the option of giving the info or going elsewhere
i know that they are public sites but the mining for information going on makes me kind of...nervous? maybe uneasy is more apt
i have all my settings set to private but i can see how a lot of info can be freely gathered without leaving the public bandwidth.
i keep my online footprint tiny because of it.

i am not responding to any of the previous posts except this one about public websites.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
47. Your second excerpt is why I take DHS's written word with a grain of salt.
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 10:06 PM
Mar 2012

If they want to act, they'll find the way to do it.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
3. There is no separation of church and state when the object of worship is Mammon.
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 06:12 PM
Mar 2012


Who's got your back, America?
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
4. The bots protect their paymasters, again
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 06:20 PM
Mar 2012

water is wet and the sky (after looking outside) is still blue. Wall Street owns me and now they own you. Worship the BULL! Quick! Someone smelt together a golden calf ASAP!

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
11. There's some transparency you can believe in
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 07:14 PM
Mar 2012

The Big Finance Boyz are plundering the American people, and when the people object, the government swoops into action to side with . . . the Big Finance Boyz. Only don't look like you're siding with Big Finance, keep it on the QT, misdirecting requests for information and purging, restricting or rescinding anything that looks a little too chummy.

But fuck it; 147% of liberals approve of the Obama administration, so the only people who could possibly be upset about this must not be liberals.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
32. Here's
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:55 PM
Mar 2012

"You know that Prosense's word is as good a proof as is needed?"

...all the proof I need from people who spend all their time making shit up.

President Obama and His Key Advisors are a Gang of War Criminals
http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/1081


http://thiscantbehappening.net/node/913

Response to WillyT (Reply #34)

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
40. wow... really... REALLY ???
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:16 PM
Mar 2012


Dave Lindorff is an investigative reporter, a columnist for CounterPunch, and a contributor to Businessweek, The Nation, Extra! and Salon.com. He received two Project Censored awards in 2004 and 2011.[1]

Born in 1949, Lindorff lives just outside Philadelphia.


Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Lindorff


 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
42. Counterpunch is an insane, antisemitic crapfest of a magazine.
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:19 PM
Mar 2012

Lindorff stated that Obama should be hanged at the gallows at the end of the article.

He HATES Obama as much as David Duke does.

Utterly lacking in credibility outside the group of folks on the left who hate him as much as the Teabaggers do.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
43. Oh my God, is that the same guy??
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:45 PM
Mar 2012

I yawned my head off when I saw the title of this OP but now I get it. If there would be anyone still going on about trying to find the "links" between the feds and the Occupy arrests, it would be the idiot that posted what has to be the world's most moronic image.

If that pic doesn't show very clearly what his agenda is and what he's about, then NOTHING will.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
48. How
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 10:10 PM
Mar 2012

"where exactly is your subject line, i never see it... weird, might wanna get a new browser "

...did you find my post if you couldn't "see it"? I saw yours.

Maybe you should get a "new browser"

 

got root

(425 posts)
45. lol
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 09:53 PM
Mar 2012

not

calling a DU'er a freeper, with a worn-out, high-schooler's line, is about as lame as you can get on DU.

you must be proud!

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
17. It's kind of intimidating
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:09 PM
Mar 2012

I'm guessing some amount of people will refrain from protesting or speaking out against corporate greed because they quite reasonably fear ending up on a government watch list.

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