Does anyone think after watching the videos of the shooter that he was gay

[oneofthe99]

but didn't want to admit it to himself. That he wasn't really attracted to women but it was an excuse he made up
in his mind that no woman would talk to him.

[lostincalifornia]

1. does that have any relevance?

[oneofthe99]

6. Not to the victims but maybe his parents could have been more observant

of the issue if it's true instead of sending him to therapy and prescribing psych drugs.

Sometimes just talking and showing him love and understanding can do more than all the therapy and drugs in the world.

[lostincalifornia]

22. What your post may be interpreted as is IF he was gay it implies he "hates" women. People, gay or

straight do not normally hate other people

[KurtNYC]

142. Rodgers hung out on a website that hates "pick up artists"

The purpose behind the website — to reveal the scams and deceptive marketing techniques used by the "Dating Gurus" — is not one without any merit. The PUA community at large is sketchy in and of itself. But it's hard to feel bad for guys who are so upset that they couldn't pay money to learn how to attract women that they take it out on their "targets" rather than the scammers themselves;
...
they only see women as objects that exist solely to make them feel better about their own pathetic lives.

http://jezebel.com/5906648/the-angry-underground-world-of-failed-pickup-artists

[elehhhhna]

170. hates pua b/c they paid for the "class" and failed

looks like a bunch of can't get a date weirdos

[rustydog]

254. Did it hurt when you pulled the out of your butt?

That statement is reminiscent of right-wing ideologues claiming the" gay" are pedophiles and want to seduce your Chihuahua!

you are right, maybe, on the "Sometimes" remark but it is an awful large blanket remark!. If one is in a psychotic episode and obeying the "voices", all your parents love and understanding and hugs will not make a bit of difference at that moment.

[maced666]

207. If true, of course it does.

Why would it not?!
On the other hand regarding OP question, no - never thought it.

[lostincalifornia]

220. More mass killings are done by straight people, does that have relivance

[Rosa Luxemburg]

2. No

[shenmue]

3. I don't think so

Interesting theory, but no.

[McCamy Taylor]

4. I wondered after reading his reaction to seeing a video of vaginal intercourse for

first time at age 13 or 14. He freaked. Any men care to comment? I am a woman and the first time I saw real porn ( I guess I must have been 12 or 13) it did not freak me at all. It was very interesting. But maybe boys mature later than girls and he was still a little kid at the time.

[oneofthe99]

7. He hung out on body builder forums

[redqueen]

9. And? Have you been there? It's full of straight misogynists.

Close to the PUA forums in terms of misogyny, objectification of women, etc.

[oneofthe99]

11. But he wasn't a body builder

[seabeyond]

13. maybe one of his problems was he pretended he was, to be that alpha male, so many like to pretend

exists....

[dawg]

153. I do think alpha males exist.

Alpha females too. I don't think gender has anything to do with it. It's a combination of attitudes and abilities.

Some women are really drawn to alphas. Others are repelled by them. Everyone is different, and there is lots of space in-between.

[seabeyond]

201. alpha is wolf pack and that is about it. wnat to talk about characteristics such as

aggressive, confident, ect...

fine. but labeling people as alpha is just a gamish thing in descriptive and nothing more.

[dawg]

205. We use all kinds of labels. I think that particular one fits a certain personality type that ...

I encounter on a regular basis. It isn't just aggressive and confident. It's more about a desire to always be in charge and to be the center of attention, coupled with the requisite social skills and/or looks and smarts to make that actually happen.

I don't buy into any of the PUA or evo-psych stuff, but the "alpha" personality type is something that I feel like I encounter on a regular basis in real life.

[seabeyond]

210. if you look at the what, 8 personalities of human beings, yes....

there is one that fits the description we create as alpha.

you and most of us merely are using it to describe a personality. and we do not see it in the evo psych sense. we see it as an easy description of a type of person. but... some people, mostly men, use it like this pua does, in the animal kingdom, and that is not what apes, humans or anyone else is. it is only in the wolf pack.

[dawg]

215. Agreed. The evo-psych notion of all women wanting alpha males and all men ...

wanting to *be* alpha males is unmitigated bullshit.

[redqueen]

17. Are you sure he didn't want to be?

Even if he wasn't...

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[JHB]

176. So what?

He wouldn't be the first guy to think "If I get all ripped I'll have girls falling all over me." Nor would he be the first to think that, hover around its edges, but not really put in the work to get in that kind of shape.

Charles Atlas built an entire business around selling stuff to those kind of people.

[Cali_Democrat]

20. My friends and I didn't freak out at all

we couldn't get enough of it, but I guess everyone is different.

[Katashi_itto]

121. I freaked out in the "I couldn't get enough of it" as a kid and then it was

"how do I meet girls!" way

[JHB]

89. Different people react differently. From what I'e read in his tedious litany of a "manifesto"...

...he didn't react well to things that were unexpected or outside his comfort zone, and that video clip -- sent unsolicited by a chat room "friend" -- was definitely both.

I didn't see anything to lead me to think he was a self-closeted gay. Needy, shallow, desperate for external validation, lazy -- these things all came through in spades. Not "gay (possibly)."

[dawg]

150. The male porn star's penis was 4 inches longer than his.

And it freaked him out. It made him think having a big cock was the only way to please a woman and he did not have one and was therefore doomed to a loveless life.

I don't know for sure what he was thinking, but that is my best guess.

[Abq_Sarah]

262. Well...

I guess it all depends on when, how and where you were raised. At 12-13, "real porn" would have freaked me out.

Shithead saw women as nothing more than status symbols. "Hot blonde" women were what he deserved. All other women were inferior. All other men were also inferior. People in general were classified according to whether or not they enhanced his image. If they weren't useful to him, they were unimportant.

[LAGC]

5. Uh, no.

Not the way he talked about being fixated on "hot blonde girls" and what not, over and over again.

If he were actually gay, he'd probably have gotten used to rejection by then, and not felt so slighted.

Just the fact that was otherwise "normal" (e.g., heterosexual) and still couldn't get laid is what fueled his narcissistic sociopathy.

Kid was a total whack-job, spoiled brat who was used to everything going his way.

He couldn't cope with rejection in that one area of his life, when everything else was going his way.

[oneofthe99]

10. But that's just it , if he wanted to get laid as he said it would have happened

Rich , hanging out in nice hotels , expensive cars , plenty of spending money , nice clothes

He didn't want to sleep with a woman.

[LAGC]

12. Skim his 140-page manifesto:

http://www.scribd.com/embeds/225960813/content?start_page=1

I don't know any gay men who harbor so much hate, resentment, and disdain for women like this kid does.

He clearly feels slighted by women.

As if they owe him something.

[oneofthe99]

23. He created the rejection by women purposley

to feed his anger on why women didn't like him.

He never wanted to sleep with any of them.
He didn't want to admit to him self he was gay

[LAGC]

29. You seem very invested in this "gay shooter" theory.

Anything you want to share with us?

[NealK]

122. Yeah, he sure insisting a lot about this monster being gay.

I wonder why.

[theHandpuppet]

155. Yeah, me too

What an offensive and insulting "topic".

[alp227]

260. took nealry 45 minutes...for a 3-4 leave it alone.

On Sun May 25, 2014, 08:28 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

He created the rejection by women purposley
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4996465

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

Regarding the santa barbara shooter, this post is a combination of two DU violations, as it's both bigoted hate speech (implying the shooter was a closeted gay person) and "paranoid fantasies with little or no basis in fact". This user is just out of control; has a hide in post 227.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sun May 25, 2014, 09:11 PM, and voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I disagree with the point, but it is an opinion and I see nothing from this post that warrants hiding. You may not agree - but this entire forum is spent speculating on this guy's intentions.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not seeing anything wrong here...
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The person who wrote this is a bigot and should not be allowed to express his bigotry on DU.

Thank you.

I keep seeing dismissive "leave it alone" votes like #2, with the "just an opinion" excuse. Guess what? Some opinions cross the line into crassness.

[Generic Other]

195. He only wanted to date perfect blonde women

who would reject him. You don't just get dates with women by giving them creepy stares in the school cafeteria.

I suspect he had no social skills. Most guys like that wouldn't think of lowering his expectations and dating a girl who didn't meet his ideal.

IMO, he seemed very fixated on pop culture ideas -- very black and white thinking. His manifesto sounded like that of an adolescent Lex Luther from a Superman comic. I could imagine thought bubbles and comic frames behind him.

Instead of creating a convoluted theory to make him into a closeted gay, I would suggest you imagine him as a abusive control freak in search of a victim. If he had succeeded in having a relationship, all that anger would be directed toward an unfortunate woman, I have no doubt. And she would rue the day she met him.

He hates women he couldn't control. So he chose to be a serial killer rather than a serial rapist.

To say he must be gay is actually really offensive as there is zero evidence. Like blaming his African American blood (I do not think he has any).

[uppityperson]

244. I agree until you get to the last sentence. He had delusions of himself and the world.

As with his Lottery delusion and violent reaction to having reality be different than he had planned. Delusions, acting out.


And why would it matter if he were gay?

[Bonx]

64. Wow. Narcissism in neon.

Haven't even gotten past age 7 yet.

[Buns_of_Fire]

120. Assuming he wrote it, that's scary.

Everything revolved around sex. And when his Gucci sunglasses and Armani shirts and Beemer couldn't acquire it for him, he decided to declare war on everybody who was lesser and less deserving than he obviously was -- and especially anyone who was having sex while he was being deprived of it because of all those evil women.

One sick, sick puppy.

[seabeyond]

16. the women in your world can readily be bought, cant they? you sure think well of women.

[oneofthe99]

24. I'm not rich but some can , yes

I'm sure Donalds Sterlings girlfriend loved him for his looks or Anna Nicole Smith married for love

[seabeyond]

26. wow. and yet... the dude couldnt buy any girl to have sex with him. just the vast majority of

the girls in his realm had no desire to be bought.

but it is cozy fun for you to make women into your prostitutes. sick... so fuckin tired of this fuckin sick attitude toward women on du.

and your OP is homophobic.

[oneofthe99]

33. Thank you for making my point on this off topic

"just the vast majority of


the girls in his realm had no desire to be bought. "


At least you admit some could, that's all I was saying and you became very upset...........................

[seabeyond]

36. no. your assumption that the girls were there, where the money was offered. YOU create women as a

whole as prostitutes even though it obvious that with money, he still was not getting laid.

what a load of garbage. you have played the game with women, played the game with gays. what is next for you

[oneofthe99]

37. Back peddle on your statement but you wrote it , not me

You know it's true

[seabeyond]

39. sexist and homophobic. whats next?

[oneofthe99]

47. You wrote a statement and agreed with exactly what I said , so what's the big deal

No reason to be upset about this

[seabeyond]

48. no i did not. but, you like to play an awfully familiar game. who are you?

[DontTreadOnMe]

56. huh?

So prostitutes don't exist?

And women who craves rich guys for their money... they don't exist either?

Willful ignorance of reality.

[Chemisse]

129. Surely there are prostitutes who can readily be bought.

Something seems fishy about this 'can't get laid' meme.

[Agschmid]

174. Yup.

[seabeyond]

206. the guy was too cowardly to even st in the vicinity of a "hot" woman and that is the only type of

woman he thought he was owed sex with.

doesnt seem odd he cant get laid to me. seems predictable.

[Chemisse]

239. That makes a kind of sense.

If he felt he was entitled to get the "hot" girls, it would have been stooping too low to have to pay for a sexual encounter.

Very strange guy.

[dawg]

152. He didn't want to sleep with any of the women that he could get.

He *deserved* one of the hotties.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

8. From what little I have read, The guy's problem was that he couldn't get laid.

From the pictures I've seen, he wasn't a bad looking guy so I suspect he couldn't get laid was because he was an asshole. To be honest, I don't really know enough about the whole thing but based on my experience, getting laid ain't all that hard unless you are a real creep and I can't even verify the real creep thing because I have no experience being a real creep. Just speculating.

[liberal N proud]

140. That was my thought

[arcane1]

225. He wrote about attending a party for the sole purpose of getting laid

And he acted like a total drunk asshole, and eventually got his ass kicked for it.

He treated sex with "hot blondes" as a right, and thought that a new car or a more expensive sweater would get him that.

I didn't come across anything that suggested he even tried to have sex with anyone not hot or blonde in his opinion.

[Scootaloo]

14. Well, this looks like a well-thought thesis

Can't say the author surprises me.

[Cali_Democrat]

15. What makes you think he was gay?

[freshwest]

252. No source listed for the OP, but it's pretty close to this source, don't you think?

Fox News expert says that “homosexual impulses” played a role in Isla Vista massacre

Dr. Robi Ludwig, who never treated the suspect, was on "Justice with Judge Jeanine" speculating about the tragedy...

More and video, if you can stomach it at the link:

http://www.salon.com/2014/05/25/fox_news_expert_says_that_homosexual_impulses_played_a_role_in_isla_vista_massacre/

Ah, the things we see on DU...

[Demonaut]

18. really?

[BainsBane]

19. I think it inappropriate to speculate about someone's sexuality

particularly when it comes to attributing homosexuality to a killer, when all evidence points to the contrary. I believe this post insensitive.

[seabeyond]

21. agree. nt

[DontTreadOnMe]

28. No not at all... sex had EVERYTHING to do with his reason to murder. He said so.

So either he was a heterosexual or a homosexual.. but sex had everything to do with his hatred and delusional state.

So asking if he might have been repressing his homosexual tendencies is a fair question.

[seabeyond]

32. i am going to say it has more to do with this article, that the Op'er got it from. and that

would place him in about the same mentality as the pua group.

He's not "ugly" in layman's terms, but he has no sex appeal. Short lower third and gay midface, with zero brow ridge. ... We must dig deeper.

http://www.businessinsider.com/ucsb-shooting-forum-associated-with-elliot-rodger-reacts-2014-5#ixzz32hYm05Na

[BainsBane]

59. I have to wonder if this argument isn't intended to distract

from the MRA connection.

[seabeyond]

62. creating all women as whores.... if a man has money, a woman will have sex, seems to be reinforcing

the pua/mra mentality to me.

[thucythucy]

144. I think that's exactly what's happening here.

You hit the nail right on the head.

[oneofthe99]

35. The whole thing was about sex

[BainsBane]

38. sex is not sexuality

as in sexual orientation. I see it as positing a negative association with homosexuality, but I will leave it to LGBT members to tell you how they feel about it.

[yardwork]

186. You are correct.

This is a highly assholish OP. Misogynism and homophobia go hand in hand, as illustrated here.

The crazed killer must be gay. Old, old stereotype.

[lob1]

101. I heard on LA news that he was slightly autistic,

and had problems communicating socially.

[uppityperson]

242. Not at all.Did you read the part of his manifesto about the Lottery? I talked himself into believing

he deserved it, he WOULD win it, and then when didn't freaked out and became violent.

The whole thing was about something other than sex.

[Jamastiene]

165. [phone]

[Louisiana1976]

228. +1 million

[Rowdyboy]

249. Insensitive to the point of being nauseating. Nothing in his "world" would support that conclusion

except the op's delusional desire to blame everything twisted and evil on homosexuality.

[seabeyond]

250. dude.... dude of my heart...

that i feel so,

how are you?

[Rowdyboy]

257. Check your DU mail...hope things are good with you too!

[seabeyond]

258. gosh... always. lol.

even in the lowest of times, there is always the higher, if we choose.

[Starry Messenger]

25. No.

[LeftyMom]

27. No. Get help. nt

[DontTreadOnMe]

31. Why does the OP need help? If someone asked the reverse question...

Did he murder because he was a heterosexual and wasn't getting laid?

Does the person asking that question need "help" too?

Stop playing victim.

[Cali_Democrat]

34. Ummm....

the shooter himself says he was heterosexual and wanted to kill because he couldn't get laid.

[oneofthe99]

40. Does that make any sense to you

rich , good looking , tickets to concerts , awards shows , a father that's a assistant director of a popular show

If he wanted to get laid he would have gotten laid

[seabeyond]

41. money does not make him less of an idiot, a creep, inept. your premise women are there to be bought

is offensive

[DontTreadOnMe]

49. lol.. you mean the world's oldest profession doesn't exist?

what planet are you on?

[seabeyond]

50. so you are now talking about him hiring a prostitute? bully for you. not what 99 was talking about

[oneofthe99]

53. Do you think Sterlings girlfriend was with him for love

[seabeyond]

57. and yet... this young man, with all his money did not have these young women around him

being bought.

sterlings has shit to do with this conversation. the point is you are so ready and comfortable creating girls there for the money, when clearly they were not. THAT is fuckin sexist and insulting.

yes. i get it. there are a handful of men on du that like to see all women as whores one way or another. you like to giggle with your buddies about this. gotcha.

kinda like this bottomfeeder called all the sorority girls sluts, cause they did not have sex with them. or all girls like to go for the bad guy ignoring the "nice" guy.

you know. the same pua/mra bullshit that escalated to the point of these murders.

[oneofthe99]

63. Love

[BainsBane]

75. Do you think Hef would love her

If she were 70 and weighed 300 lbs? Yet for some reason you think women aren't supposed to care about superficialities? That is the right of men only? For women like that, their looks are their currency, just as wealth is the currency for men like that.

[oneofthe99]

88. works both ways , at least you agree with it

[BainsBane]

90. I do agree

and that has nothing to do with most normal human beings. Most women don't look like that, and most guys aren't rich like that. So why are you even worrying about it? Unless of course your views of women are determined by the media and you think you deserve a woman who looks like that just by virtue of being male?

[oneofthe99]

100. Exactly but this kid was so to speak with the perks

of having a famous Hollywood insider father.

That's why it's bull that he couldn't get laid.

He didn't get laid because he didn't want to sleep with a woman.

[BainsBane]

102. Clearly he says otherwise

in no uncertain terms. Perhaps, just perhaps, your view of the world is skewed? I think girls must have sensed he was a budding psycho-killer and stayed away as a result. From his video, he sure seemed like a creep to me. I imagine he had come off that way for a long time.

[BainsBane]

108. Well, I'm a woman who has found the rich men I've dated intolerable

and married someone with no money, so clearly your reality doesn't include me or the women I know.

[oneofthe99]

109. I never said all women , you know that ...but some will marry or go with a guy just for his money

Same as rich older men date or marry a young woman just for her looks.

[BainsBane]

110. Then why would you assume he could have found a girlfriend or sex partner?

despite being a psycho killer? Certainly he could have hired a prostitute, but we'll assume he found that unacceptable. But you are insisting the mere fact he had money meant he could have gotten women. Clearly his experience says otherwise. What reason would he have to lie in his dying declaration? And who are you to substitute your guesses about his sexual orientation over his own statements?

[oneofthe99]

116. He wasn't a psycho killer when he was 16, 17 , 18 , 19 , 20

If you want to believe everything he wrote and it seems you do, he said he made the decision last year to seek revenge.

[BainsBane]

117. You don't suddenly develop that level of violent rage overnight

It was brewing for a long time. You saw the video. If he doesn't exude creep, then no one does.

[MADem]

114. The only one looking sincere in that pic is the dog...and he looks a bit tired. nt

[lunamagica]

212. Yeah, I see nothing but love from that adorable sweet doggie. Awwwww

[treestar]

253. It's the money, not sex

Women like that are looking for the money. If they could get away with not having sex with him, they would. They are less interested in sex than the money. Sooner or later those women cheat with the stereotypical tennis pro.

[DontTreadOnMe]

65. "kinda like this bottomfeeder called all the sorority girls sluts"

he also called out all the "other men" for having fun heterosexual sex. He wanted to punish "them too"

"there are a handful of men on du that like to see all women as whores one way or another"

wow...! keep going.. show us your true hatred of men.

[fishwax]

71. "there are a handful of men" != "true hatred of men"

[DontTreadOnMe]

78. There is only ONE Eliot the Mass Murderer

who has their numbers confused... but please.. let's criticize DU for the "few handful of men"

[BainsBane]

83. while you go on about the horrendous persecution

faced by college-age virgins. Give me a fucking break. Add to that your rant about how women are golddiggers. That has nothing to do with this shooting, but it didn't stop you from sharing your views of half the human race.

[fishwax]

95. lol--"a handful of men on du" isn't a criticism of du

It is a criticism of a handful of men on du.

[BainsBane]

74. right, if you don't say all men are perfect

and beyond reproach, that means she hates men.

[Chemisse]

130. Why do you turn every thread into an attack on women?

It really derails, and it promotes gender division.

Plenty of girls will opt to go out with a boy who is throwing money around, over someone who is not, especially if they are just going out for a good time - not choosing their lifelong mate.

[Generic Other]

196. He had a car, money and was a normal looking kid

The fact that he had failed to have any kind of meaningful relationship with women suggests to me that he was too locked into some fantasy of what an ideal woman was. He probably dismissed most of the girls in high school by convincing himself they were beneath his standards. He would never talk to the slightly overweight girl with braces who sat by him in math because he was fixated on the cheerleader in the front row who didn't even know he existed.

Or maybe he sat in the school cafeteria giving the "hot" blondes the 1000 yard stare filled with slow simmering anger, fueled by comic book fantasies, porn and a growing sense of his own inadequacies. He had reached the spoiled rich kid's glass ceiling where even money couldn't buy him love.

His manifesto. He sounded deranged and pitiful. Who wouldn't avoid him if they heard him speak? Imagine him posting that thing on DU. We would have been all over him. And not in a nice way. I was envisioning him with action figures acting out his plan in his bedroom at night.

[seabeyond]

213. exactly. that is how i see it. i read a bit, a girl in class, he could not sit in her vicinity.

he was too cowardly to even get close, let alone talk, interact or ask out. how the fuck was he suppose to get a fuck????

on the only type of women he felt he deserved the fuck from.

agree

[oneofthe99]

54. Love or money

[DontTreadOnMe]

68. "SeeBeyond" can't see it

no way women use men in this society... never happens.

[oneofthe99]

69. the hell with it ,I'm done with her

[BainsBane]

72. This guy says he couldn't get a girlfriend

despite being rich. So how do you even get to this place about awful women who "use men for money"? What possible relevance could that have to this shooting? Obviously this psycho-killer couldn't buy himself a woman.

[DontTreadOnMe]

82. "Obviously this psycho-killer couldn't buy himself a woman."

You mean: "Obviously this psycho-killer DIDN'T WANT to buy himself a woman.

Because if he wanted that.. he would have done it.

There are people here on DU that will argue for hours that the premise that he might have been gay is 100% false.. without ever meeting Eliot. Amazing.

[BainsBane]

86. His manifesto and video are public

He says he couldn't. You know nothing about this shooting and can't even maintain a coherent discussion.

Yes, we get you think women are by nature money grubbing. What a shock. Thanks for the information. It says nothing about this shooting.

[DontTreadOnMe]

92. "Yes, we get you think women are by nature money grubbing."

Ahhh... the real you is finally coming out... you know how I feel about women... lol

keep digging... you went from arguing about the shooter to attacking me.
Coherent? No.. you are here to argue.

[oneofthe99]

84. If you watch the videos his biggest complaint was not about having a girlfriend but about sex

"Girls gave their affection and sex and love to other men but never to me," he says



He complained about being a virgin and not having sex , he would see a guy and look at the guys girlfriend knowing she was having sex with that guy and not him.



If he wanted to get laid he would have , he choose not to...for what ever reason only he knows and maybe his
doctor

[BainsBane]

87. He says he couldn't get sex

Not just that he couldn't have a girlfriend.

[oneofthe99]

91. right

but that's bull , he could have had sex by finding one good looking girl who would have slept with him.


He choose not too

[DontTreadOnMe]

93. I saw the same thing watch the video

His problem was not a girlfriend.. he just wanted to experience sex.

[oneofthe99]

96. He complained about being a virgin

The kid was rich , was able to get tickets to any Hollywood premier opening , drove nice cars ,famous Hollywood insider father of a hit show.

He never had any interest of sleeping with a woman because if he did it would have happened

[DontTreadOnMe]

98. Yes, I saw the same thing

And even though the video showed him talking about revenge on the "girls".. notice the one line where he wants revenge on the "guys" too.. the guys who "got to enjoy sex". Go watch that part again... he skips over it real fast, like he caught himself saying that...

The guy was lonely. I think he just wanted to experience any kind of sex...

[oneofthe99]

105. I saw it ,he was one messed up kid , he was confused with his own sexuality

[DontTreadOnMe]

107. and his solution was the ultimate "look at me".. a mass murder with guns

He wanted to make headlines... and he got it.

They next mass murder will have to be bigger to make the headlines...

[oneofthe99]

111. There's a lot of unanswered questions on this case

One thing is the firearms he bought


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024995793


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024995753

[seabeyond]

214. he saw the woman he felt he deserved to have sex with. a woman in class. he could not sit around her

he could not even get close enough to talk to, let alone lure her with his money to have sex with him.

why wouldnt he still be a virgin? when the women he would have sex with were a room or more away from him?

[lunamagica]

208. From what I've read in his "manifesto" he desperately wanted to be admired,

to be one of the "cool" kids, to have women going after him. Yes, he was obsessed with sex, but he also wanted admiration, adulation and respect from women (girls).

The way he talks about bumping into a girl (when he was about 12 0r 13) she getting mad and insulting him, which "scarred him forever"...wow.

He also felt inferior because at 14, 15, he looked 10. He was the shortest in his class and looked like a little kid. That's why he was interested in bodybuilding. He thought if he could build muscles. girls would fall all over him

[LeftyMom]

46. Did you watch the video or read what he wrote on the internet?

Would you fuck that guy? Why would anyone?

Women aren't stupid. Stop insulting us by implying that we'll fuck anybody, no matter how awful, as long as they've got a nice car.

[DontTreadOnMe]

70. "Women aren't stupid. Stop insulting us by implying that we'll fuck anybody"

I can't stop laughing... yeah "us men" think ALL women are stupid.

There are THREE WOMEN in this thread that can't stop posting... like they are experts on men's sexuality.

[Hekate]

79. AFAICT this was addressed to someone else, a specific poster, and not you. Why do you think...

...it's about you?

[Scootaloo]

61. In other words you think his belief in his own entitlement was deserved?

He's rich and doesn't look like the elephant man, so women should have been spreading like newspapers for him?

And the fact that they didn't, must mean he was gay?



I'm not sure you're in the right neck of the woods.

[DontTreadOnMe]

73. No, the theory goes like this...

Rich men can get laid any time they want, because they can AFFORD TO PAY FOR IT. Amazing how many females here on DU object to that FACT on planet earth. Go start a thread on the evils of prostitution... but stop trolling on the mass murder story.

So if he wasn't getting laid, and complaining about not getting laid...and the stigma of not getting laid... and also ASHAMED to admit he was gay.. his totally screwed up sexual desires caused him to be a mass murderer.

No one said it MUST MAKE HIM GAY.. it's just a hypothesis that he might have been gay.

[gollygee]

219. He didn't want a prostitute

He thought "hot babes" should have been after him. He felt entitled to them, and he was a sociopath or something. Sexual entitlement + sociopathy + gun = people got killed. It isn't a gay thing, and it isn't the fault of women who were smart enough to stay the hell away from him.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

76. If he was gay, he would have been beating those girls off with a stick.

The girls would have been the frustrated ones.

His biggest problem would have been making excuses why he didn't want to have sex. Or faking it.

No, that kid was a major whack job creep.

[JHB]

175. For plenty of other people that may be true. Not for him...

Throughout his woe-is-me "manifesto" his reaction to new situations is to stew, throw a tantrum, or withdraw. He also expected things to come easily, and became frustrated or rejected them when they didn't.

Put a guy like that in an unstructured social situation and he'll stay at the outskirts holding his drink, watching everyone else have a good time. And/or leave.

[bettyellen]

181. you nailed it- he was extremely phobic of new situations- never even talked to women at all

from what I saw, his only attempt was to say Hi! once to a woman passing him on the street. He was deveastated that nothing came from it. He walked around frightened and angry projecting nothing but jealously and hatred. That is going to make strangers keep their distance.

[Gormy Cuss]

179. And allegedly was diagnosed with Asperger' syndrome

which is a condition that can make social interactions difficult and that naturally includes more difficulty understanding cues about whether someone wants to date you.

[arcane1]

226. He had a very specific "type" of woman he wanted.

There is no evidence he even tried to hook up with anyone else who didn't fit that type.

[DontTreadOnMe]

44. Ummmm... "but didn't want to admit it to himself"

The OP clearly states the premise. Go back and try reading it again.

You think just maybe.. there might be a possibility... that the guy was completely confused about his sexuality?

As a gay male, here is my hypothesis. When a young male says he is a virgin, between the ages of 21-25, it says to me he didn't want to get find a female. Because most men can get laid, even if they have to hire a prostitute.. to get the "stigma" of still being a virgin over. And clearly he saw it as a stigma. He wasn't holding out for the right one. The guy had wealthy means... he could get laid, even if he had to pay for it. Having to pay for sex is another issue, and another psychosis. But in my experience, very few males are still virgins by age 21. Lack of sex, either hetero or homosexual -- can drive a man crazy. Case in point. Many gay men have a hatred for women.

[Cali_Democrat]

52. He clearly says he was seeking worship, devotion and adoration along with sex....

if you read parts of his manifesto.

Thats not really something a prostitute can give him.

He thought no end of himself. He would probably feel insulted once the prostitute left him.

[DontTreadOnMe]

55. "worship, devotion and adoration along with sex...."

Sounds like a BDSM club down in the Village.

[Cali_Democrat]

60. That's temporary

...he wanted a woman to worship him 24/7.

[oneofthe99]

118. Stop it man and thanks for explaining my theory better than I could

I know I could be way off on it but I didn't think it would cause such a stir

[BainsBane]

42. The reverse is not comparable

heterosexuals don't face discrimination and hatred for being straight.

[DontTreadOnMe]

45. Wow.. so college age males don't face discrimination for being "virgins"!

How much social pressure do you think young males have at that age.. sex is everything.. even a priority over money.

[BainsBane]

51. Read what I actually said

and address that. If you can't understand something as basic as the fact that LGBT citizens are discriminated against, we have nothing to discuss.

Spare me the persecuted straight male bullshit. Entitlement is not persecution. It's annoying.

[DontTreadOnMe]

58. "Spare me your persecuted straight male complex."

I am a gay man.

Your post makes you look very uninformed.

Just to add... I was married and had 4 children... so I was heterosexual for the first 50 years of my life. I guess that qualifies me to have opinions about male heterosexual and homosexual perspectives.

Are you female? Your views are slipping...

[BainsBane]

67. You were heterosexual for the first fifty years of your life

Yet now are gay, and you believed yourself more discriminated against while a straight college student than as a gay man?

[DontTreadOnMe]

77. Holy shit.. what does my life have to do with Eliot the Mass Murderer?

wtf is wrong with you?

"and you believed yourself more discriminated against" No, I never felt discrimination.... as a married heterosexual with children or as a gay man.

What does this have to do with Eliot the Mass Murderer? The guy who was never married and never had children... was a virgin.

Please tell me how you are trying to pull my life into this story... keep digging

[BainsBane]

80. You raised the issue. You gave it as evidence to back up your expertise on the matter.

Ask yourself that issue and why you mentioned it in the first place:

"Spare me your persecuted straight male complex."

I am a gay man.

Your post makes you look very uninformed.

Just to add... I was married and had 4 children... so I was heterosexual for the first 50 years of my life. I guess that qualifies me to have opinions about male heterosexual and homosexual perspectives.

Are you female? Your views are slipping...

It is impossible to have a rational discussion with you. You respond erratically, then become angry when I follow up on a point you just made.

[DontTreadOnMe]

85. Rational question: Is it possible that Eliot the Mass Murderer was gay?

Is it possible?

[BainsBane]

94. Based on his own statements

He was straight because he talked about longing for and needing sex with women.

[DontTreadOnMe]

97. So according to your judgement.. 100% heterosexual

based on watching one video. 100%

No chance at all, not even .05% that he might have been gay.

Am I seeing a trend here on this thread. The ones who say "100% he was straight" are all female.. and the ones who say he "might have been gay" are all males.

[BainsBane]

99. I don't make judgements about other people's sexuality

I leave that to them.


My view is that this entire theory is designed to distract from the MRA connection.

[BainsBane]

106. "the females are out in force . . . the hive buzzing"

The outrage. What kind of liberal website lets the majority demographic in the Democratic party participate?

[DontTreadOnMe]

115. Where are the posts decrying participation?

playing victim?

[Jamastiene]

167. I think you are right about that.

They want to try to push this off on gay people to keep the heat off them.

[txwhitedove]

112. If you see such trend, it could be because at this point who wants to answer an honest

opinion to an honest question for fear of having their words completely twisted and spat back with vile accusations from some posters here.
But I will tell you that as a female, it did occur to me that Eliot might be gay. I could not watch all of the video. This was observation, not judgement. He said things with his mouth that conflicted with reality. Example, he said he wanted women, but was still a virgin at 22 for whatever reason. He said he was a gentleman, but his anger at women made that untrue. Sad, sick, twisted, conflicted young man.

[1000words]

261. Epic alert fail:

Ouch! ... off to the corner the alerter goes, for a time-out.

==================================
REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

NOT a rational question at all. And even rooted in bigotry, too, since claiming that Elliot Rodger is gay often is rooted in negatively stereotyping gay people. Remember, Glenn Beck likes to dress up crazy accusations in the form of questions, before you dismiss this as "just another opinion".

Remember, "Democratic Underground is not intended to be a platform for kooks and crackpots peddling paranoid fantasies with little or no basis in fact."

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon May 26, 2014, 12:30 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Don't alert to hide -- call the poster out.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I will let the stupid question stay since there were intelligent rebuttals to the irrelevancy of the question which need to be seen in context
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's a valid question. Asking it isn't harming anyone. The alerter's sell-job is more offensive, frankly.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Let the question be asked and then address it. Too many pre-emptive strikes like this are stifling discussion.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The whole thread is idiotic, beginning with the OP -- so why punish just this one poster?

[Jamastiene]

164. Nobody is pulling your life into this story.

You are the one who brought it up. YOU pulled it into the story.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

133. Nobody knows you're a virgin unless you tell them.

There's not flashing male neon sign that turns off the first time you had sex. Unless you tell people you're a virgin, they have no way to discriminate against you. And if you want them to stop, all you have to do is tell them you had sex. f you want to make it more believable, tell them it was pretty mediocre, and not the be-all and end-all of existence you'd thought it was going to be. I gotta say I was never 'discriminated against' by anyone for being a virgin, nor did anyone treat me any differently after I no longer was. Maybe you just hung out with a bunch of real asses if they were verbally harassing you about virginity.

And to reply to your earlier post idea on 21-25 year old male virgins, there are still plenty of them out there who are interested, but simply socially inept and clueless when it comes to getting a girl interested in them in return.

[thucythucy]

145. "Discrimination"? College age men who are virgins face "discrimination"?

You mean they're kept out of the colleges they want to go to because they're virgins?

Get pulled over by the police for being virgins?

Get denied jobs because they're virgins?

Who the fuck would even KNOW you're a virgin unless you broadcast that bit of personal info?

"Social pressure" does not equal "discrimination." Discrimination is being paid less than someone else for doing the same job, simply because of a fact of birth. Being denied a job entirely because of your skin color. Being targeted by the police because of your skin color. Being fired because of you come out as LGBT.

To say this sexist idiot was "discriminated against" is ridiculous.

[Jamastiene]

166. +1000000

[JI7]

30. that makes no sense

[fujiyama]

43. Not in the least

He sounded first of all like a narcissistic douchebag, believing he was entitled to whatever he wanted in the world. He had the materials goods - the car, clothes, money (all of which were given to him).

But he couldn't buy a girlfriend or love. In the video, I noticed a strong delusion of grandeur. So he probably was surprised that the hottest girl around wasn't just throwing herself at him. It's clear he never learned any coping skills either with whatever physical abnormalities he either had or perceived to have had. I

[Hekate]

81. So you can just divine this nugget by watching his crazy-ass video?

That's weird.

[Helen Borg]

113. He had pretty striking facial features

So, for girls not to be attracted to him it must be that he was unpleasant in his behavior. I doubt he was a gentleman as he says.

[Duncan Grant]

119. It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.

You're a bit of a aren't you? The homicidal gay thing is so 1992.

[Jamastiene]

169. Excellent answer!

[yardwork]

191. Hey buddy! Great to see you!

Thanks for putting this so well.

[bravenak]

123. Why are you doing this? Don't blame the 'Gays' for this shit.

That kid was fixated on women in a violent way. I have never met a gay man that was angry that hot female blonds didn't want to sleep with them. I have met gay men upset that certain women and men would keep hitting on them even though they said no.

I'm getting fed up with the homophobia and the sexist crap.

I read the headline and thought ' who let westboro sign up'.

This is not funny or cute or whatever you thought it was.

Don't you thing lgbt people deal with enough crap on a daily basis? Do they need to be blamed for everything?
What part of the game is this?
Flip the script?

Have i lost my fucking mind? I bet i'm dreaming and i'll wake up tomorrow and the world will be right.
This op should have never existed.

[BainsBane]

124. A jury left it 2-5

but got hidden.

[bravenak]

126. I saw that.

I agree with Lefty Mom on that one!! I knew this was coming from that one.
This op just has me grinding my teeth.
My brain just got soiled today by reading two particular posts.
This is a game for some people i believe, and they enjoy making others very uncomfortable.
Something is wrong here.

[Le Taz Hot]

151. I was part of the jury

that hid your

I voted to Leave It but was outnumbered. Weird because of all the we see from The True Believers when they run out of argument. Your made sense. Theirs never do.

[Jamastiene]

171. Thank you.

That is exactly what I was thinking too.

[NealK]

125. That thread stinks of homophobia and misogyny.

[Behind the Aegis]

127. I would ask if this is a joke, but clearly it is not.

Do you know anything about gay men? Your post makes me think you don't know shit about gay men. Generally, those men who suppress their sexuality because of institutionalized and societal homophobia do not attack women, but men they know or perceive to be gay. That, of course, leads many to the FALSE conclusion all homophobes (always men) are "secretly" gay themselves.

What a treat the past few days have been. This OP, discovering that using initials for a certain reporter are always homophobic and homophobia isn't really about homosexuality when men are the victims.

Fun!

Glad I am not just gay, but also a Jew...oh wait...at least I am not in Belgium!

[CJCRANE]

128. I think perhaps he just looked a bit young for his age.

He might have been okay in a few more years, with a few achievements under his belt.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

131. No, and conjectures like that strike me as homophobic.

Why is it when people do hateful, crappy things, somebody always comes out and suggests they might be a 'secret gay', as if heteosexuals can't do hateful, crappy things all on their own? Why do people always have to come out ans suggest these horrible people might secretly be gay?

[intaglio]

132. no

and why would it be relevant?

[QC]

134. Bookmarking this thread

for the next time someone says that there is no homophobia on DU.

[BainsBane]

135. I alerted on this

but it failed, 2-5.

[QC]

136. I'm not surprised.

Basically, it takes a death threat or an outright slur to get a post hidden. Anything more subtle than that generally stays up.

[QC]

139. Very true. There's always the school election factor,

in which jurors vote, like ninth graders selecting the homecoming court, on the basis of the relative dreaminess (and poopieheadedness) of the people involved.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

199. This ^ ^ ^

[whistler162]

138. You win today's Mark Twain award.....

"It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.”

[TBF]

141. No, I think he was very seriously mentally ill

and access to firearms resulted in a very, very bad incident.

I'll repeat what I've said before. 2-prong problem:

1. Gotta control the guns a bit - not take them away - but license to adults who are not obviously mentally ill. Like we have a license to drive a car. Demonstrate maturity & ability you get your license & can go buy guns.
2. Gotta fund research/care of mentally ill individuals

BOTH of those pieces equally important in my mind. Some people want to say certain people are just "evil" so they don't have to look at the societal component and fund it. Some people want to blame certain groups (strikes me as homophobic), and I'm sure there are other theories out there.

[Chan790]

143. I think the premise of this thread is offensive and homophobic.

No, I assume that most people have a fairly good idea where they fall on the sexual-orientation spectrum by their early 20s. For some of them, they may not want to admit it to other people for a variety of social and moral-religious factors; but they generally know themselves. Latent orientation is largely a myth and always really was...it's an effective way to besmirch those that do not conform to traditional gender roles.

I use the following dialectic to explain this.

I like to knit and read, hate sports, love art and have a high-toned lilting voice.

You must be gay!

No. I'm super into women.

You just don't know you're gay yet.

No dude, I'm pretty sure. Wait. Hmm...nope, you've changed my mind. I totally love dick now.

If that strikes you as absurd, it should. It's totally fucking deranged...but that in a nutshell is the distillation of the latency argument...that straight and cisgendered people who seem LGBTQ must be LGBTQ even if they don't know it; that they need other people to tell them their sexual orientation and identity. It's one of the more pervasive forms of behavioral stereotyping. If you would be offended if people stereotyped and judged you on the basis of your behavior, race, religion, gender or appearance...you shouldn't do it to other people.

• White people can't dance.
• He's way too attractive and stylish to be straight.
• Black kid who is into cars? Must be a booster.
• Of course he's a homophobe. He's a Southern Baptist.
• He can't be gay--have you seen how he dresses?
• Dude, face it. Your sister dresses in flannel and works as an auto mechanic. Total lesbian.
• There are no straight men in professional ballet.

Let's be very clear about this. Arguments like this are not merely offensive to LGBTQ individuals...they're also subversively racist, sexist, anti-feminist, anti-male, religiously-discriminative, classist and lookist because they reinforce that it's okay to judge people on those bases or make assumptions upon them based in only your own bigotry rather than fact.

[ismnotwasm]

147. +1,000,000,000

[theHandpuppet]

160. I second that +1,000,000,000

It makes me sick to think we probably should have seen this one coming.

[ismnotwasm]

146. What the hell?

Fuck no.

[MineralMan]

148. I can't even imagine why you would ask that question.

There doesn't appear to be any indication in anything I've read. Further, the conclusions you appear to be jumping to don't really make any sense at all.

I'm very sorry that you wrote this post. I really wish you'd self-delete it.

[dawg]

149. No.

[gollygee]

154. What the hell?

This is as bad as the "maybe he wouldn't have done it if some woman wouldn't have given him a pity lay" post.

[theHandpuppet]

157. Yep, right on cue

It's the women and the gays to blame.

[theHandpuppet]

156. NO.

And I have to ask why you even posited such an insulting theory.

[951-Riverside]

158. YES! Thank You for saying what I was thinking the moment I watched the video

He did not seem like a guy who had any interest in girls, he seemed like a young man who was conflicted about his sexuality but perhaps too ashamed to come out.

I can't help but wonder if his dad was a huge homophobe.

[exboyfil]

159. You know folks that ask this question are something

My mom was convinced I was gay because I did not date in High School. She even talked about getting me a prostitute. I am now happily married for over 25 years but I still feel the pain of that conversation with her. She is now going on about my nephew.

Except for the hating women and sniveling sense of entitlement, I see a lot of myself in this jerk. I have only kissed one other woman besides my wife, and I was a virgin at 23 on my wedding night (which was a blast by the way). I never asked the sorority types out, but I was far more attracted to intellect. At least two of the girls/women that I asked out but was turned down have gone on to get PhDs. Never thought to harm them or anyone else though.

My 18 year old daughter has only been on one "near" date (daytime to a dance class). My 16 year old daughter has not dated yet. I don't talk much to them about it, but they were each interested in a boy that was not interested in them. It is not that I keep them isolated - I just think they are particularly choosy. I don't worry about it though. I do have to wonder how my 18 year old will handle being in sophomore/junior mechanical engineering classes next year where the ratio is 9 to 1. I just hope she does not come into the cross hairs of a maladjusted misogynist like this guy.

[Jamastiene]

161. No, being a gay person, I don't automatically assume a mass murdering fuckhead

simply MUST be gay because they did something horrible. What I did notice is that the shooter was a misogynist prick with a extremely bloated sense of entitlement. He thought he deserved to have any woman he wanted even though he hated women and made no bones about it.

That is NOT the definition of a gay man. Period.

And I resent your implication that gay men would go around shooting people or hating women.

NO gay man that I have ever met, and that has been way more than a few, as a gay women who is active in the GLBT community, has ever wanted to kill women or felt that women were somehow evil for not having sex with a misogynist prick.

Your OP is truly disgusting. You should be ashamed for posting such an offensive, derogatory comment, but of course, you will probably never know why and never feel any shame.

[ladjf]

162. Nothing he said in print or video suggested to me that he was

homosexual. But, with his obvious personality disorders, he undoubted had the type of behavior that any sane women would recognize as dangerous.

[Nay]

217. Indeed. This guy might as well have painted "nutcase" on his forehead.

Any sane woman would have kept a 10-mile distance from this creep. I can say that I've met a couple of men like this in my life; I stayed far, far away and never engaged them at all after the first accidental meeting. They truly do exude nuttiness. Some crazies (sociopaths) don't exude craziness, but this fellow sure does in his video. Frankly, I couldn't watch it all because my hair started standing on end.

[ladjf]

263. Yet, I feel that some competent mental health professional could have help him to the point

that the shooting might not have happened.

He was extremely angry about something but, I'm not sure that it was centered on his lack of sexual satisfaction.

Too late now.

[etherealtruth]

163. WTF?

I watched portions of the video and came away with one thought and one thought only: That guy is batshit crazy deranged

[dsc]

168. Of course we start hearing this crap

No straight people ever murder anyone or hate women. Just once I would love for gays not to be blamed for the crime du jour.

[theHandpuppet]

172. Even crimes against gays are blamed on closet gays

Couldn't possibly be the fault of some straight asshole who just happens to hate gays.

[lunasun]

173. Nope - Also , he had other issues besides women see link

already in therapy - maybe too late
he was a hater with $ and access to gunz

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101693896

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

177. No.

[saltpoint]

178. In his video clips, Rodger omits reference

to any specific experience that he wishes had gone better than it did.

I didn't register any straight/gay/bi etc. vibe one way or the other.

There's the constant accusation against blond women and the resentment of "brutish" males they throw themselves on, but not much to go on as far as gender identity is concerned.

It will be interesting if we find out if Rodger's comments in therapy differ much from his on-line comments.

[CBGLuthier]

180. No, Dr. Frist, i do not think much of long distance diagnosing.

I find this OP to be offensive as fuck but par for the course. Of course the ONLY reason anyone could hate women is because they are gay. Not, mentally ill or just an asshole. got to be gay to hate women that way. What a load of shit you served up for breakfast.

[TDale313]

182. No. Not at all.

And this theory strikes me as homophobic and a serious deflection for his misogyny and MRA connections. I don't know any gay men who are pissed at the world cause hawt blonde sorority girls won't fuck them.

[yardwork]

183. What?????!!!!!

Now ivevread everything on DU.

[The empressof all]

184. No...Not Gay but certainly Swarthy

I bet he was one of those sleeper terrorist babies that Saddam arranged to be born here around Gulf War I. You know, when he exchanged all the spermicide in the condoms with active terrorist sperm to implant American women with terrorist babies who will rise up and violently stalk the American people and kill them from within





BTW: Get a Grip!

[Jamastiene]

218. ...

I see what you did there. Props.

[maddezmom]

236. ...

Well done

[yardwork]

187. Here's a clue . Most confused people don't go on killer rampages.

I know it would be nice to blame this on us gay folk. Sorry. Straight white guy with gun and knife is responsible for this.

[yardwork]

189. Because the killer "acted gay?"

This line of speculation is highly offensive.

Will you speculate that he was confused about being Jewish next? Maybe he was secretly black and therefore targeted white people.

[RKP5637]

193. Yes, agree, it is highly speculative! ... not meant to be offensive, I see your point. Well taken.

[Eleanors38]

190. Umm, No.

Perhaps you should flesh out why this is a concern. So far, I can't figure out what you are driving at.

[quinnox]

194. I don't know and don't care

And not seeing why its at all important or relevant.

The guy was a murdering scumbag, that is all I need to know.

Both gays and straights can be killers, it makes no difference.

[Small Accumulates]

197. Is that you, Fox News "Expert" Robi Ludwig?

Reality television psychologist Dr. Robi Ludwig asserted to Fox News that a mass shooting in California over the weekend may have been triggered because the suspect could not cope with his “homosexual impulses.”

“When I was first listening to him, I was like, ‘Oh, he’s angry with women for rejecting him,’” Ludwig recalled. “And then I started to have a different idea: Is this somebody who is trying to fight against his homosexual impulses?’”

“Was he angry with women because they were taking away men from him?” she continued. “But this is a kid who couldn’t connect, and felt enraged, and wanted to obliterate anyone that made him feel like a nothing.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/25/fox-news-expert-suggests-homosexual-impulses-triggered-calif-mass-shooting/

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

200. Thank you

I was going to link to that story but you beat me to it. Pretty curious that the originator of this thread is parroting that POV.

[Warren Stupidity]

198. I thought he might be just a little bit muslim, if you know what I mean.

wink wink nudge nudge.

In general I think self delete of an op is an act of cowardice. In your case it would be the right thing to do.

[polly7]

202. No.

He was a self-entitled, narcissistic, jealous, envious, psychopath (thanks malaise!). He couldn't handle that others - females especially - didn't see his greatness, and acted out his hate on innocents and their families.

[caseymoz]

203. No.

I don't know how you could make that hypothesis. His anger women comes out of left field.

He was an unsuccessful, sexually frustrated, hateful hetero. I knew a guy with that exact same anger. He wasn't gay.

[Bluzmann57]

204. Who cares?

The fact is he was a psychopath and it doesn't really matter if he was gay or straight. He had mental health issues according to his parents, who should know. And for that reason alone he should not have had a gun.

[maced666]

209. Nope, didn't get that vibe. Only narcissism.

Could he have been gay and narcissistic?
Of course, just don't see it that way though, could be wrong.

[lunamagica]

211. No, after reading his "manifesto" I don't bbelieve he was gay. No way. eom

[NuclearDem]

216. Disgusting.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[boston bean]

233. more doublin down, down below..

It's surreal.

[Slip_n_Slide]

221. Maybe...

Too early to know... One possibility among many...

[SidDithers]

222. WTF?...

Sid

[oneofthe99]

223. It was himself he hated and how he felt towards men , not women

But by January last year it was clear his social rejection had fuelled hatred in him when he wrote: ‘If you could release a virus that would kill every single man on Earth, except for yourself because you would have the antidote, would you do it?

‘You will be the only man left, with all the females. You would be able to have your pick of any beautiful woman you want, as well as having dealt vengeance on the men who took them from you. Imagine how satisfying that would be.’


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2638427/He-disturbed-boy-British-grandmother-Santa-Barbara-mass-killer-boy-grew-Hollywood-royalty-posted-chilling-blogs-vowing-revenge-against-women-rejected-him.html#ixzz32l2TRkRA
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[arcane1]

229. And you get "gay" from that? You're trying awfully hard to make him gay.

A little too hard, really.

[Jamastiene]

234. Uhm, the very definition of gay man is completely opposite to what you are quoting.

He hated men, wanted to kill all other men, and have sex with women. There was nothing gay about the guy. No gay man I have ever known wanted to kill other men or have sex with women and certainly not both.

How are you getting gay out of a guy who wanted to kill guys and have sex with women? You DO realize how absurd it is that you are doubling down and using facts that prove the opposite of what you are saying, don't you? You are posting things that prove the opposite of what you said in the OP. You do realize that, don't you?

[arcane1]

238. Quoting FOX usually ends up being a totally incorrect thing to do

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/25/fox-news-expert-suggests-homosexual-impulses-triggered-calif-mass-shooting/

[gollygee]

224. Did you read any of what he wrote?

Some is included in this post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4997578


He is clearly heterosexual.

[arcane1]

230. I get it now. In your mind, you don't want to accept the truth of his sexuality.

So you made up this fantasy of him being gay, because it's easier to believe than the truth.


It all makes sense now.

[boston bean]

232. Also, the poster has a complete misunderstanding of the type of ideology

Elliot Rodger was applying.

MRA's think men that get women don't deserve them because men like Elliot are a better catch. Or they get the women because there is something wrong with women. They are resentful of those men, but there is also twisting of why women would date these men rather than men like Elliot.

It's a twisted woman hatefest.

[tenderfoot]

231. the obvious is obvious

eom

[Raine]

237. No, he was obsessed with women and having sex with them. nt

[joeybee12]

240. Wow, another really offensive and homophobic post at GD...color me shocked

Yeah, of course he was gay, that's why people kill, because they're gay...Hiding this and other future disgusting musings by this poster...amazing how tragedies bring out the worst in people here.

[Swede Atlanta]

241. As a gay man I find the question or premise almost offensive.......

I know you are just posing the question but I have to ask what difference does it make?

I seriously doubt the "trigger" for this young man was being a heterosexual man with physical needs and desires that had been repeatedly rejected by girls/women. Nor do I believe the "trigger" was he as a gay man who was somehow coming back on women or maybe even men.

We will never really know but I believe the triggers were likely multiple including a low sense of self-esteem and one or more mental health issues.

When will we stop diverting the cause of these tragedies from a failed system? We have a failed mental health system. We have politicians that demonize people for who they are. We have a system that glorifies and protects guns over protecting and honoring people.

Unless the course of this country changes we are doomed. Until we start asking the right questions and finding the right answers we will fade away into the dustbin of history.

[uppityperson]

246. +++++++++++++++ eom

[closeupready]

243. As a gay man, it's possible. He does set off my gaydar somewhat.

Then again, if he claims to be straight, then on what solid basis do I deny that? I dated a black guy years ago who told me that he and his friends thought all white guys seemed gay. So perhaps our perceptions of him reveal more about ourselves than him.

I had a professor in college that had what I thought were 'gay' mannerisms - turns out, he had a wife and children, and was presumably not gay, even though his mannerisms seemed gay to me.

Maybe this guy was bisexual?

[Swede Atlanta]

248. I have to ask the question what difference does it make if he was str8 or gay?

He killed several people. He was clearly distressed over something.

We cannot allow the right wing to frame this as a "gay" killing. They would love this.

[closeupready]

255. Obviously the RW would love to pin it on 'gayness'.

Nonetheless, if you are going to do a thorough profile of mass murderers, then you need to account for any and all factors that may have played a role in his/her act of violence. It seems obvious from his rantings that he was dysfunctional sexually. What the nature of that dysfunction was remains to be seen.

[cali]

245. no.

[Egnever]

247. Yes

First thing I thought when I watched his videos despite his words was that he was gay. I would be willing to bet that perception followed him around and made him the victim of a lot of bullying and is likely a large part of what set him off.

I dont think he was gay, I do think in his every day life he was perceived as gay. I think it is a large part of why he had such an obsession with being a virgin. I would be willing to bet he was teased relentlessly about it as a young teen.

My impression from his videos is he was very effeminate and likely that and his social awkwardness made it impossible for him to form a social relationship with just about anyone. I am willing to bet to top it off he was probably outwardly hostile to gay people to over compensate for peoples perception of him being gay thus alienating him from the one social group he might have been able to be accepted for what he is.

Kid was a mess regardless and I would be further willing to bet his parents spent very little time with him.

[closeupready]

256. On a side note, the reality that effeminacy is a social turnoff

is, in fact, misogynistic. It's a popular idea in the US, so I'm not saying YOU are a misogynist, or trying to make you self-conscious; rather, just noting the implications of this social reality.

[bravenak]

251. Fox News agrees with you.

http://www.salon.com/2014/05/25/fox_news_expert_says_that_homosexual_impulses_played_a_role_in_isla_vista_massacre/



I told you that these were far right talking points.

[Rowdyboy]

259. As Sigmund Freud alledgedly said, "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar"

And sometimes a homophobic bigot is just a homophobic bigot.

[Iggo]

264. Un-fucking-believeable.