The way I read this , this firearm was purchased illegally used in the shooting

[oneofthe99]

Attorney Alan Shifman said police conducted an investigation and interviewed the man he identified as Elliot Rodger. Shifman said police did not find a history of guns but did say the man had trouble making friends.

[bossy22]

1. they were purchased legally over a year ago

[Warren Stupidity]

2. Of course. We are gun crazed. Assume every angry unhinged person has guns.

And it seems there is no level of slaughter that will change people's minds.

[arcane1]

3. According to his insane "manifesto"

He "signed all the papers and was told that my pickup day was in mid-December" which sounds more legal. Of course, there is no evidence that anything in that nutty document is true.

Here's the link:
http://www.scribd.com/embeds/225960813/content?start_page=1

But the site is coded somehow, so it's not searchable. I wish I could remember which page I saw that on.

[gvstn]

4. Should be page 112 or 113

[dixiegrrrrl]

10. I downloaded it from the site.

All ya gotta do is sign up.
that site has loads of neat stuff to read.

[arcane1]

12. Thanks! I assumed it was a boring blog site, but I was wrong!

[Cleita]

5. The police said the arsenal he had was purchased legally in three different

cities in Southern California, Oxnard, Goleta and Burbank. He was well armed.

[oneofthe99]

6. Did the police also report that he was reported by his parents as being disturbed.

That the parents reported he was undergoing multiple counseling and therapy.
That they were concerned about his talk of revenge.

Did they say anything like that? If he purchased the firearms legally he had to go through the 10 day waiting period
How did the police miss this?

[Cleita]

13. Yes they did and they also explained if the person wasn't displaying

erratic or violent behavior they couldn't do anything because previous shit like this has gotten them sued when they tried to take someone like this into custody, and he was sweeter than honey to any investigators when they inquired. The police chief's press conference should be on line by now.

[oneofthe99]

16. Covering their asses ,nothing more

Reported and shown to police saying you are seeking revenge then buying a gun after a 10 day waiting period ?


The police screwed up.....

[Cleita]

20. They only enforce the laws. they don't make them.

It's the lawmakers you have to make do the right thing. My Congress person's district is the same as Isla Vista's and she will be hearing from me.

[oneofthe99]

23. But if it's correct that he was reported to the police in April of 2014 by his parents

that he was disturbed and seeking revenge , why did the police make a statement there was no record of gun sales to him?

There is a record in CA if he bought them last year.

The police are saying now there is a record but not a few weeks ago when he was reported to them by his parents.

[Cleita]

24. I don't know. I only watched the press conference

because Santa Barbara is one of the local broadcast stations I get. Their website has more information. It's KYET.

[Electric Monk]

7. "I want to believe the firearms in this shooting were purchased illegally", you mean.

[oneofthe99]

8. If legal...He shouldn't have been able to make it through the 10 day waiting period

Contrary to the Daily Kos claim, Rodger was getting mental help. His parents reportedly saw his dozens of YouTube videos — of him wandering alone or sitting in his car complaining about the world’s unfairness, his loneliness and a desire for vengeance — and were concerned enough to report them to police, their lawyer tells ABC News. He was being treated by multiple therapists, according to the lawyer, and had been diagnosed as “a high-functioning patient with Asperger syndrome

[Lee-Lee]

9. Background checks are only as good as the info the government has to work with

And the absolute worst offenders for working hard to make sure that the proper authorities never have that data are parents, sadly, who think they are helping their child by hiding their mental illness or propensity for violence.

"I want him to get help, but I don't want home labeled by the system" or some variation thereof. That is their excuse for not reporting violent attacks on family members, talking others out of reporting violent attacks or buying silence, and often limiting what help they seek for fear the proper help would lead to their child being "in the system".

Betcha his rich 1%er parents made sure all the therapists and other mental health they bought him was all unreported to authorities, and made sure they bought his way out of any proplems.

[oneofthe99]

14. His parents are the ones who reported him to the police for disturbing postings of seeking revenge

[bettyellen]

11. he already had the guns when the report was made to police- they should have been able to search

records and find out he had them though, but I do't think that is usually done, is it?

[oneofthe99]

15. According to the lawyers report the police said there was no evidence of gun purchases

None of this is adding up.

It sounds like the police are trying to cover their asses now.

If he tried to purchase guns after he was reported by his parents for trying to seek revenge
This should have been in the police records. Yet he was approved after a 10 day waiting period

[bettyellen]

19. he says he got the guns last year, and his plan didn't work out then. the cops were much later.

but dammit, if the videos were threatening people, they should have found out if he ever purchased guns.

[oneofthe99]

22. They had the record of his purchase

UNDER STATE LAW IN … Sales Where Records Retained Firearm Types Where Records Retained Duration of Required Retention
AL Dealer sales only Handguns only permanent
CA All sales All firearms 3 years
CO (2 laws) Dealer sales Handguns unspecified
Private sales All firearms
CT All sales All firearms 5 years
DE (2 laws) Dealer sales Handguns unspecified
Private sales All firearms
D.C. All sales All firearms unspecified
FL Dealer sales only Handguns only unspecified
IL (2 laws) All sales Handguns unspecified
All sales All firearms 10 years
ME Dealer sales only All firearms unspecified
MD (2 laws) All sales Handguns 3 years
Dealer sales only All firearms unspecified
MA Dealer sales only All firearms unspecified
MI (2 laws) Dealer sales only All firearms unspecified
Private sales Handguns only
NJ (2 laws) Dealer sales only All firearms unspecified
Private sales Handguns only
NY (2 laws) Dealer sales Handguns unspecified
Private sales All firearms
NC Dealer sales only Handguns unspecified
OR Dealer sales only All firearms 5 years
PA (2 laws) Dealer sales only All firearms 20 years
Private sales Handguns only
RI All sales All firearms 6 years
VT Dealer sales only Handguns only 6 years
WA Dealer sales only Handguns only 6 years






Can I get a list of the firearms for which I am listed as the purchaser, transferee, or owner?
Yes. To obtain a list of firearms listed in your name, complete and submit an Automated Firearms System Records Request, pdf to the Automated Firearms Unit, P.O. Box 820200, Sacramento, CA 94203-0200. The request must be signed, notarized, and include a photocopy of your photo ID card (i.e., driver's license or DMV

[dsc]

17. maybe not

federal backround checks must be destroyed immediately upon completion due to a law passed by Congress (and lobbied for by the NRA). If California doesn't have a system of permits then there would be no record.

[oneofthe99]

18. The way I read California does

State Points of Contact: Background checks conducted by state or local authorities are more thorough than those performed by the FBI because states can access their independent own databases in addition to databases maintained by NICS. As noted above, states where state or local authorities conduct the background check are known as “point of contact” or “POC” states. Thirteen states use a state or local POC for all firearm transfers.67 Eight states use a state or local POC for handgun background checks only, using the FBI for background checks on long gun transfers.68 The remaining 29 states and the District of Columbia process all background checks through the FBI.69


POC States for All Firearms
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Florida
Hawaii (via a Brady exemption)*
Illinois
Nevada
New Jersey†
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Tennessee
Utah
Virginia

[bettyellen]

21. oh, I doubt they do- but they SHOULD have. I could get behind that law being passed.