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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMisogyny and Homophobia: what a heavenly match
You just know anywhere they're hating on gays they're hating on women, too.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-26351087
BBC News
26 February 2014
Uganda miniskirt ban: Police stop protest march
Police in Uganda have prevented women from marching through the streets of the capital, Kampala, in protest at new laws banning the wearing of miniskirts...
...There have been several incidents over the past week of women in short skirts being publicly harassed and assaulted.
This follows the signing by the president of the anti-pornography bill, which bans "indecent" dressing.
Proposing the legislation last year, Uganda's Ethics and Integrity Minister Simon Lokodo said that women who wore "anything above the knee" should be arrested.... MORE
Ah yes, good ol' Minister "Kill the Gays" Lokodo, who also stated that men raping little girls was "natural".
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)Misogyny and homophobia are RAMPANT throughout the middle east and those are NOT primarily Christian countries.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)American Christians. This isn't up for debate, you can ask the Ugandan politicians leading the charge and they'll tell you exactly who their inspirations are. They're very fond of Scott Lively, for example.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)American laws....I've never heard even the most far right "Christian" U.S. politician propose such things.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Here, PFAW did your homework for you: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/search/node/uganda%20type:blog
whathehell
(29,067 posts)I noticed Mr. Lively was walking back his 'death penalty' encouragement, but my bad,
it seems you are basically correct, and it IS horrendous!...They should be publicly SHAMED
and thrown out of their own ministries.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)both Churches supported this law, Francis teaches that opposition to LGBT rights is 'God's war' and says gay people attack God. More than 40% Catholic, lead by Francis, another 40% are Anglican, and that's the real genesis of the anti gay fervor, Anglican Church rifts. While it serves certain narratives to claim that the largest religious groups and their leaders are innocent and the blame belongs to those 'American Evangelicals' that is not factually based.
Francis has not spoken against this. Catholics are the plurality faith, more Catholics than any other group.
Facts are facts. Francis also teaches anti gay and anti woman dogma, and he leads the largest religious group in Uganda.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Do you have ANY clue where Uganda is on a map?
Or are you just exploiting hatred against someone in order to gin up hatred against someone else?
sheshe2
(83,799 posts)I saw the video yesterday. He said it on video! Can't find it now. Yet...
And he said 'Ah, but it is the right kind of child rape.'
I said 'That was on camera. Do you know that was on camera?'
He said 'Yes.'
I said 'Can you just explain what you meant?'
'Well, it is men raping girls. Which is natural.'
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ugandan-reverend-simon-lokodo-child-rape-better-homosexuality-video-1437976
So no Scoot no one is exploiting hatred here to gin up more. Read it and I dearly hope you weep when you do. I know I did.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I'm replying to whatthehell's comment about the middle east and Muslims, neither of which have any relevance whatsoever to Uganda in the least. Not your post downthread about Lokodo's... staggeringly abominable statement.
sheshe2
(83,799 posts)This whole thing has me in tears.
LeftishBrit
(41,208 posts)How evil can you get?
'Minister for Ethics and Integrity' - what an Orwellian title. The serious point is, of course, that he's in government at all.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)Ugandan LGBT activist Frank Mugisha
Ambassador Samantha Power
Liked · 4 minutes ago
Met with Ugandan LGBT activist Frank Mugisha today to discuss #Uganda's signing of anti-homosexuality law and the climate of fear it creates.
Link from Ambassador Samantha Power, check out his page and add your support.
From a link on his FB page:
...
Anyone who cares to read history books knows very well that in times of crisis, when people at the locus of power are feeling vulnerable and their power is being threatened, they will turn against the weaker groups in society, said the Ugandan scholar Sylvia Tamale in 2009. In this case, however, the government has not only turned on weaker groups in society, but in passing this law has taken one more step towards stifling any form of dissent in the country.
Blog is here
http://www.defenddefenders.org/2014/02/blog-post-civil-liberties-suffocated-uganda/
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Africa is a victim of Christianity and the Muslim backlash is entirely the fault of Christians. This is the bed you've made, lie in it now until you fix it.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)That being said, you can't just blame this on "Chrisitanity", in general, because this appears to be some
extremely right wing sect, whose supposed "Chrisianity" is nothing like the teachings of Catholicism or
any Mainstream protestant denomination I grew up with -- These sound like Dominionists -- A group
even your average RW fundie disavows.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)incessant attempt to separate yourselves from your history and lay blame off on others doesn't help your cause at all.
Ironically, wouldn't Jesus accept the blame and do everything in his power to right the wrongs? Yet here you all are, sitting on vast, inconceivable wealth in the midst of suffering and claiming that it isn't all your fault.
Spirituality and religion have little to do with each other.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)What's this "your" religions and "here "you" all are"?..Who the fuck is "you"?
My dear, you don't know me from squat...I'm not religious. I am, in fact, agnostic -- Get it?
I'm sorry if I don't "fall in line" with your blanket condemnation of Christianity, but it's a simple
respect for the facts that keeps me from doing so.
Please excuse me if I don't join in the silly unspoken "agreement" on DU that all things Christian
must be indiscriminately trashed...It's a sad reflection of a herd mentality and I'm sorry you've fallen
for it, but some of us are possessed of a bit more intellectual integrity.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Those groups will ally with all kinds of people- and all kinds of people will ally with them- when they think they have common goals.
Dis-gusting.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/20/1264274/-American-Family-Association-s-Fischer-Uganda-stands-with-Duck-Dynasty-star
sheshe2
(83,799 posts)However! Men raping little girls is natural.
And yes he damn well said this! WTF!
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Ugandan Archbishop Lwanda, who approved of the anti-gay laws, is the same man who suspended Catholic cleric Anthony Musaala for speaking out on the Ugandan church's sexual abuse of children.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)and all of this is the doing of other types of Christians, all of them American.
Maraya1969
(22,486 posts)The Right Reverend Father Simon Lokodo, the current State Minister for Ethics & Integrity in Uganda, claims men raping girls is natural, and seems to imply heterosexual rape is morally preferable to consensual homosexual activity.
Father Lokodo claims to have several degrees in theology, and apparently considers himself to be a good Christian man defending his country from the imaginary scourge of homosexuality.
Lokodo made his abhorrent remarks while speaking to English comedian, actor, writer, presenter, and activist, Stephen Fry. The following is an excerpt from Fry recounting his conversation with Lokodo:
Here is the transcript:
I actually got a Ugandan Minister to say on camera- hes the Minister for Ethics and Integrity, its the only such ministry in the world. I said to him theres so much more to worry about in your country than the odd gay person going to bed with the other gay person. For example, you have almost an epidemic of child rape in this country, which is just frightening.
And he said Ah, but it is the right kind of child rape.
I said That was on camera. Do you know that was on camera?
He said Yes.
I said Can you just explain what you meant?
Well, it is men raping girls. Which is natural.
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I think this is all about feeling gay and wanting to destroy it, (your feeling) so much that you make a law against it AND you rape women because of it. They try so hard to not be what they are. Can you imagine what this world would be like it we all accepted ourselves?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)for going into politics. So that's one point for Benedict.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)I believe I've read that same report. I'm not a Catholic (or even a religious person) but I've never heard of priests getting excommunicated for going into politics. I can see where they would have to resign from the priesthood but excommunicated? I suspect the reporter made a mistake there unless there's more to this story.
Nonetheless, if he was still a priest he should have been defrocked as a prime mover in the "kill the gays" bill. As should any cleric in collusion with the outrageous anti-gay laws and persecution in countries like Uganda, Nigeria and Cameroon.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)never gets old. Call them bitches, faggots or the n-word. As long as you can beat the crap out of said folk, it's fine and you are in control.
When will this end? How much blood must be spilled before we wake up and realize it is a disease like any other?
Behind the Aegis
(53,962 posts)I feel for the people having to endure this. These are brave people to stand up to this type of hate. I fear we will see copious amounts of bloodshed in the near future.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)on our own nation, lest we become Uganda.
Behind the Aegis
(53,962 posts)..I do fear increase in attacks on gays as this anti-gay movement suffers more and more setbacks.
sheshe2
(83,799 posts)I may be wrong, yet I think people are being heard. Not just LGBT voices, our collective voices.
What is happening in Uganda, to gays, women and the children, the sweet little girls. I cry for them.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024572397#post16