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Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:06 AM

Misogyny and Homophobia: what a heavenly match

You just know anywhere they're hating on gays they're hating on women, too.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-26351087
BBC News
26 February 2014
Uganda miniskirt ban: Police stop protest march

Police in Uganda have prevented women from marching through the streets of the capital, Kampala, in protest at new laws banning the wearing of miniskirts...

...There have been several incidents over the past week of women in short skirts being publicly harassed and assaulted.

This follows the signing by the president of the anti-pornography bill, which bans "indecent" dressing.

Proposing the legislation last year, Uganda's Ethics and Integrity Minister Simon Lokodo said that women who wore "anything above the knee" should be arrested.... MORE

Ah yes, good ol' Minister "Kill the Gays" Lokodo, who also stated that men raping little girls was "natural".

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Reply Misogyny and Homophobia: what a heavenly match (Original post)
theHandpuppet Feb 2014 OP
BainsBane Feb 2014 #1
LeftyMom Feb 2014 #2
whathehell Feb 2014 #4
LeftyMom Feb 2014 #5
whathehell Feb 2014 #12
LeftyMom Feb 2014 #15
whathehell Feb 2014 #22
Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #29
Scootaloo Feb 2014 #7
sheshe2 Feb 2014 #16
Scootaloo Feb 2014 #18
sheshe2 Feb 2014 #20
LeftishBrit Feb 2014 #24
The Straight Story Feb 2014 #10
Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #13
whathehell Feb 2014 #23
Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #25
whathehell Feb 2014 #28
Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #11
sheshe2 Feb 2014 #3
theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #27
Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #30
Maraya1969 Feb 2014 #6
Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #31
theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #32
Aerows Feb 2014 #8
Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #9
Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #14
Aerows Feb 2014 #17
Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #19
sheshe2 Feb 2014 #21
freshwest Feb 2014 #26

Response to theHandpuppet (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:09 AM

1. and vice versa. nt.

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Response to theHandpuppet (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:10 AM

2. Don't forget that they get this shit from American Christians. nt

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:33 AM

4. Right Wing American Christians helped them along, but they didn't start it..

Misogyny and homophobia are RAMPANT throughout the middle east and those are NOT primarily Christian countries.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:42 AM

5. Majority Christian Uganda definitely did get their present ideas about homosexuality and gender from

American Christians. This isn't up for debate, you can ask the Ugandan politicians leading the charge and they'll tell you exactly who their inspirations are. They're very fond of Scott Lively, for example.

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:04 AM

12. Ugandan laws of imprisoning gays for life and executing HIV positive gays do not reflect

American laws....I've never heard even the most far right "Christian" U.S. politician propose such things.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:19 AM

15. Then you're not listening to fundamentalists talking among themselves.

Here, PFAW did your homework for you: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/search/node/uganda%20type:blog

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:21 AM

22. No I'm not listening to fundamentalists talking among themselves, but you are apparently correct

I noticed Mr. Lively was walking back his 'death penalty' encouragement, but my bad,

it seems you are basically correct, and it IS horrendous!...They should be publicly SHAMED

and thrown out of their own ministries.

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:13 AM

29. To an extent. But Uganda is largely Catholic and Anglican and the Bishops of

 

both Churches supported this law, Francis teaches that opposition to LGBT rights is 'God's war' and says gay people attack God. More than 40% Catholic, lead by Francis, another 40% are Anglican, and that's the real genesis of the anti gay fervor, Anglican Church rifts. While it serves certain narratives to claim that the largest religious groups and their leaders are innocent and the blame belongs to those 'American Evangelicals' that is not factually based.
Francis has not spoken against this. Catholics are the plurality faith, more Catholics than any other group.
Facts are facts. Francis also teaches anti gay and anti woman dogma, and he leads the largest religious group in Uganda.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:49 AM

7. Just out of curiosity...

 

Do you have ANY clue where Uganda is on a map?

Or are you just exploiting hatred against someone in order to gin up hatred against someone else?

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:22 AM

16. This from State Minister for Ethics and Integrity Simon Lokodo

I saw the video yesterday. He said it on video! Can't find it now. Yet...

" I actually got a Ugandan Minister to say on camera- he's the Minister for Ethics and Integrity, it's the only such ministry in the world. I said to him... there's so much more to worry about in your country than the odd gay person going to bed with the other gay person. For example, you have almost an epidemic of child rape in this country, which is just frightening.

And he said 'Ah, but it is the right kind of child rape.'

I said 'That was on camera. Do you know that was on camera?'

He said 'Yes.'

I said 'Can you just explain what you meant?'

'Well, it is men raping girls. Which is natural.'


http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ugandan-reverend-simon-lokodo-child-rape-better-homosexuality-video-1437976

So no Scoot no one is exploiting hatred here to gin up more. Read it and I dearly hope you weep when you do. I know I did.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:32 AM

18. I'm sorry sheshe, but you seem to have made a mistake.

 

I'm replying to whatthehell's comment about the middle east and Muslims, neither of which have any relevance whatsoever to Uganda in the least. Not your post downthread about Lokodo's... staggeringly abominable statement.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #18)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:40 AM

20. Sorry Scootaloo,

This whole thing has me in tears.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:32 AM

24. 'The right kind of child rape'; 'Men raping girls is natural'

How evil can you get?

'Minister for Ethics and Integrity' - what an Orwellian title. The serious point is, of course, that he's in government at all.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:02 AM

10. From an earlier post of mine:

Ugandan LGBT activist Frank Mugisha
Ambassador Samantha Power
Liked · 4 minutes ago

Met with Ugandan LGBT activist Frank Mugisha today to discuss #Uganda's signing of anti-homosexuality law and the climate of fear it creates.

Link from Ambassador Samantha Power, check out his page and add your support.

From a link on his FB page:

It has been asserted that the Anti-Homosexuality Act seeks to protect Ugandans from imported, foreign practices. On the contrary, it is the law that is a foreign import, influenced by US evangelists such as Scott Lively who have worked to spread their message of intolerance around the world, including in Uganda. The criminalization of acts of ‘carnal knowledge against the order of nature’ is itself a hangover from the colonial era. Yet in the climate of intimidation and fear that is being created in Uganda, it is incredibly challenging for human rights defenders to expose these realities and to have the facts heard.

...

“Anyone who cares to read history books knows very well that in times of crisis, when people at the locus of power are feeling vulnerable and their power is being threatened, they will turn against the weaker groups in society,” said the Ugandan scholar Sylvia Tamale in 2009. In this case, however, the government has not only turned on weaker groups in society, but in passing this law has taken one more step towards stifling any form of dissent in the country.



Blog is here
http://www.defenddefenders.org/2014/02/blog-post-civil-liberties-suffocated-uganda/

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Response to whathehell (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:08 AM

13. I hope that you're simply mistaken. What you wrote is factually wrong in every respect.

 

Africa is a victim of Christianity and the Muslim backlash is entirely the fault of Christians. This is the bed you've made, lie in it now until you fix it.

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:26 AM

23. I WAS mistaken, as I've just learned..

That being said, you can't just blame this on "Chrisitanity", in general, because this appears to be some

extremely right wing sect, whose supposed "Chrisianity" is nothing like the teachings of Catholicism or

any Mainstream protestant denomination I grew up with -- These sound like Dominionists -- A group

even your average RW fundie disavows.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:37 AM

25. Unfortunately, you can. Your religions have so much to answer for all over the world, and this

 

incessant attempt to separate yourselves from your history and lay blame off on others doesn't help your cause at all.

Ironically, wouldn't Jesus accept the blame and do everything in his power to right the wrongs? Yet here you all are, sitting on vast, inconceivable wealth in the midst of suffering and claiming that it isn't all your fault.

Spirituality and religion have little to do with each other.

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #25)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:54 AM

28. Excuse me, but you've just made a host of false assumptions about me..

What's this "your" religions and "here "you" all are"?..Who the fuck is "you"?

My dear, you don't know me from squat...I'm not religious. I am, in fact, agnostic -- Get it?

I'm sorry if I don't "fall in line" with your blanket condemnation of Christianity, but it's a simple

respect for the facts that keeps me from doing so.

Please excuse me if I don't join in the silly unspoken "agreement" on DU that all things Christian

must be indiscriminately trashed...It's a sad reflection of a herd mentality and I'm sorry you've fallen

for it, but some of us are possessed of a bit more intellectual integrity.

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:03 AM

11. Yes, groups like the "American Family Association" have notoriously helped the agenda.

http://www.afa.net/

Those groups will ally with all kinds of people- and all kinds of people will ally with them- when they think they have common goals.

Dis-gusting.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/20/1264274/-American-Family-Association-s-Fischer-Uganda-stands-with-Duck-Dynasty-star

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Response to theHandpuppet (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:30 AM

3. Hate on Women and Hate on Gays

However! Men raping little girls is natural.

Ah yes, good ol' Minister "Kill the Gays" Lokodo, who also stated that men raping little girls was "natural".


And yes he damn well said this! WTF!


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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 09:12 AM

27. You want some more hypocrisy?

Ugandan Archbishop Lwanda, who approved of the anti-gay laws, is the same man who suspended Catholic cleric Anthony Musaala for speaking out on the Ugandan church's sexual abuse of children.

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Response to theHandpuppet (Reply #27)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:20 AM

30. According to some on DU, Archbishop Lwanda and his superiors are innocent

 

and all of this is the doing of other types of Christians, all of them American.

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Response to theHandpuppet (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:46 AM

6. I never heard of the raping thing so I am posting a link. Hard to believe

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2014/02/ugandan-minister-for-ethics-integrity-says-men-raping-girls-is-natural/

The Right Reverend Father Simon Lokodo, the current State Minister for Ethics & Integrity in Uganda, claims men raping girls is natural, and seems to imply heterosexual rape is morally preferable to consensual homosexual activity.
Father Lokodo claims to have several degrees in theology, and apparently considers himself to be a good Christian man defending his country from the imaginary scourge of homosexuality.
Lokodo made his abhorrent remarks while speaking to English comedian, actor, writer, presenter, and activist, Stephen Fry. The following is an excerpt from Fry recounting his conversation with Lokodo:

Here is the transcript:

I actually got a Ugandan Minister to say on camera- he’s the Minister for Ethics and Integrity, it’s the only such ministry in the world. I said to him… there’s so much more to worry about in your country than the odd gay person going to bed with the other gay person. For example, you have almost an epidemic of child rape in this country, which is just frightening.
And he said “Ah, but it is the right kind of child rape.”
I said “That was on camera. Do you know that was on camera?”
He said “Yes.”
I said “Can you just explain what you meant?”
“Well, it is men raping girls. Which is natural.”
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I think this is all about feeling gay and wanting to destroy it, (your feeling) so much that you make a law against it AND you rape women because of it. They try so hard to not be what they are. Can you imagine what this world would be like it we all accepted ourselves?

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:22 AM

31. He was a Catholi priest for many years. Pope Benedict ex communicated him

 

for going into politics. So that's one point for Benedict.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #31)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:52 AM

32. I think there's something amiss in that particular report

I believe I've read that same report. I'm not a Catholic (or even a religious person) but I've never heard of priests getting excommunicated for going into politics. I can see where they would have to resign from the priesthood but excommunicated? I suspect the reporter made a mistake there unless there's more to this story.

Nonetheless, if he was still a priest he should have been defrocked as a prime mover in the "kill the gays" bill. As should any cleric in collusion with the outrageous anti-gay laws and persecution in countries like Uganda, Nigeria and Cameroon.

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Response to theHandpuppet (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:50 AM

8. Beating the shit out of anyone that you can

 

never gets old. Call them bitches, faggots or the n-word. As long as you can beat the crap out of said folk, it's fine and you are in control.

When will this end? How much blood must be spilled before we wake up and realize it is a disease like any other?

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Response to theHandpuppet (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:55 AM

9. More disgusting crap from Uganda.

I feel for the people having to endure this. These are brave people to stand up to this type of hate. I fear we will see copious amounts of bloodshed in the near future.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #9)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:10 AM

14. Horrible.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #9)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:23 AM

17. We need to keep a wary eye

 

on our own nation, lest we become Uganda.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #17)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:33 AM

19. I think we are aways away from that happening, but...

..I do fear increase in attacks on gays as this anti-gay movement suffers more and more setbacks.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:15 AM

21. Increased attacks, that may be so. I hope not, BtA.

I may be wrong, yet I think people are being heard. Not just LGBT voices, our collective voices.

What is happening in Uganda, to gays, women and the children, the sweet little girls. I cry for them.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024572397#post16

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Response to theHandpuppet (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:44 AM

26. They should have their aid cut off for this too! Oh, what am I saying?

Nobody speaks up for women in half the states and none of the world. I guess a new generation of girls and women are expected to take it. Nothing to see here, folks, just move along...

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