Juror Speaking Out on Anderson Cooper 360

[erpowers]

Anyone who wants to know what at least one juror was thinking during the trial turn to CNN now.

[Duer 157099]

1. Says Serino's testimony that he felt Z was being truthful had a BIG impact on her

Wasn't that the testimony that the Judge told the juror's to disregard?

Nice way to follow instructions.

[Chiyo-chichi]

2. Missed the beginning, but AC says the jury was split at first...

3 were initially not guilty
2 initially wanted to convict on manslaughter
1 wanted to convict on 2nd degree murder

[Horse with no Name]

7. but all had weekend plans

so...the bully RW racists won?

[Chiyo-chichi]

9. Ugh. I didn't hear that part. Weekend plans?

Jurors on a murder trial are concerned about their weekend plans?

[Horse with no Name]

11. I was being sarcastic

it is highly unusual for people to change their minds that fast....

[alsame]

28. Yep, big jump from murder2 to not guilty. nt

[Chiyo-chichi]

36. Indeed.

[dsc]

59. really after 11 hours?

that is a short time? Have you ever had an 11 hour meeting?

[Horse with no Name]

104. Yeah I have had an 11 hour meeting before

we were able to agree on percentage points and about $10k and Spring Break.

Definitely not enough to go from 2nd degree murder to not guilty. Nope.

[femmocrat]

12. Hmmm..... wonder who or what caused them to change their minds?

I was one who predicted a hung jury.

[dkf]

30. I thought that would be a strong possibility also.

[Tx4obama]

58. She said the way the jury instructions read they had to narrow it to the moments right before the

... right before the gun was shot.

And she basically said that they didn't really understand the manslaughter part so the only thing left was 'not guilty'.

Geez !

[bettyellen]

70. admitting her COMPLETE IGNORANCE of the charges- yet she wants to write a book, UGH.

[TorchTheWitch]

119. they wanted to go home

That's what I hate about a sequestered jury. They just are not going to put forth the effort that an unsequestered one would.

[femmocrat]

34. She felt from the start of deliberations that he was not guilty. nt

[femmocrat]

43. Based on "heat of the moment" and "Stand Your Ground", he had a right to defend himself.

That is what they finally decided. She had no doubt George feared for his life.

[yardwork]

79. I thought that the defense didn't cite Stand Your Ground.

[Spazito]

103. The Judge did in her jury instructions...

citing the Statute on Justifiable Use of Force which is the actual name of the statute often referred to as the Stand Your Ground Laws. The defense was predicated on that Statute.

Here is the section of the Statute which can also be found in the Judge's final jury instructions:

"A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html

Here it is in the jury instructions under the heading "Justifiable Use of Deadly Force":


"If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2013/07/12/jury_instructions_1.pdf

[ceonupe]

3. The judge told them to only disregard one part

That point was if he belived him or not.


The rest of his testimony stands.

[Duer 157099]

8. And that is precisely the point AC asked her about

and that she swooned over. Which was the point of my post.

[Lee-Lee]

14. You can't unring a bell

As the saying goes.

[ceonupe]

19. It was the state choice to have

Mc dreamy make te emotional appeal to the jury and not a facts based closing. I think that back fired.

I have watched lots of trials and have been a juror never have I seen a prosecutor close like that.

[dkf]

33. He won 3 people over. It just didn't stick when they studied the facts.

[femmocrat]

50. Not the "facts" per se. She just said that they reviewed the law.

And she felt that Stand Your Ground was the law in this case.

[VanillaRhapsody]

54. But it wasn't...that point should have been driven home

[bettyellen]

69. she said they were completely CONFUSED by the manslaughter charge. they decided anyway-

remaining ignorant and confused.

[BronxBoy]

77. Am I the only one that finds that jaw dropping? n/t

[yardwork]

81. I'm not surprised at all. To reach that verdict I knew that they had to be racist and stupid.

[DesertFlower]

82. no. i do too.

[BronxBoy]

88. I sort of halfway admonished a poster for calling the jury idiots yesterday...

I took the position that we should wait to get an insight into their thought processes.

As of now, it ain't too pretty

[bettyellen]

89. she called them (TM + Rachel) "those people". I want to hurl!!! BTW....

born and raised in the Boogie Down myself. 6 Train / Cardinal Spellman. You?

[BronxBoy]

90. Soundview Area n/t

[bettyellen]

91. The 6 !!! I was between St Lawrence and Pkchester, LOL.

Still go back frequently to deal with stuff. Was just up because my parochial school (and SCJ Sonia Sotomayor's!!!) is closing, just had it's last on site reunion. Nice to meet you!

[BronxBoy]

95. Ward Avenue..Then St. Lawrence...

Then Parkchester...

[bettyellen]

101. There used to be a theater on Ward Avenue in the 1950's- my Mom worked there.

When they lived in Classon Point. They moved closer to Parkchester in 1951, but my school was on Beach/ taylor Ave- so I hung down by Rosedale too, back in the day.

[anneboleyn]

113. Wonderful. What an absolute travesty.

[Sheldon Cooper]

4. She is a stupid dumbass.

[BainsBane]

10. definitely

and racially biased. Makes me think they had a IQ ceiling like the police force of that town in CT.

[femmocrat]

16. She believes everything Zimmy said through his lying teeth.

She thinks Trayvon instigated the fight. She is a dumbass.

[Cali_Democrat]

25. Trayvon is on the phone carrying skittles and iced tea

Zimmerman pursues him, yet it's Trayvon who starts the fight?

[noamnety]

102. I guess that makes sense

if they were instructed to ignore the part of the fight where zimmerman started the fight.

[IdaBriggs]

128. "if they were instructed to ignore the part of the fight where zimmerman started the fight."

Bingo. Sigh.

[Beaverhausen]

5. more details please

thanks!

[erpowers]

18. One of the Juror's is Speaking Out

The juror is telling how she felt about the case. I am not sure which juror is talking, but I assume it is juror B37. she is speaking on Anderson Cooper's CNN show.

[Spazito]

47. If it is Juror B37, she sure lost her utter contempt for the media in amazingly short order...

gosh, I wonder why? just in case it's needed, lol.

[erpowers]

93. Juror B37

Just in case you have not heard yet it is in fact juror B37. Later in the interview Anderson Cooper mentioned it was juror B37.

[Spazito]

98. I figured as much, seeing as she has a book she wants to sell...

no agenda on her part, I'm sure, lol.

[pokerfan]

94. If it's B37, she also called Trayvon a "boy of color" and will be writing a book

http://gawker.com/george-zimmerman-juror-b37-hates-media-called-trayvon-787873533

[Spazito]

100. Yep, all kinds of questions arise in my mind regarding this juror...

and her attorney husband.

[pokerfan]

112. She appears to be the first one willing to cash in on the experience

$ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $

[Spazito]

115. Having immediate access to "a high ranking producer at one of the morning shows"

the kind of access that can open doors either late Saturday night, after the verdict one assumes, or early Sunday morning is what is piquing my interest. Timing can be very interesting and instructive, imo.

[alsame]

6. Said they all believed it was

GZ screaming.

Here I blame the prosecution because I never heard them point out that GZ claimed he was being smothered right before he shot - how do you scream like that while your mouth and nose are covered?

[BellaKos]

126. That's the problem.

You're accepting GZ's story. And to me, it's obvious that he was lying, but B37 fell for it.

[octoberlib]

13. She just said she believes Zimmerman "has a good heart". Ugh.

Trayvon Martin didn't stand a chance. She also believes Zimmerman was telling the truth.

[alsame]

17. This one bought the

defense case hook, line and sinker.

[femmocrat]

24. She doesn't believe race played a role. Jury never discussed it, she said.

George acted based on the other incidents (burglaries) in the neighborhood and Travyon was acting "suspicious".

[anneboleyn]

42. So it was okay, "self defense" to shoot him (sarcasm alert)

[femmocrat]

64. Exactly. She believed it was self-defense and Zimmy feared for his life.

She believed everything he said, apparently.

[Lex]

72. and the POS didn't even take the stand to say it himself. nt

[DesertFlower]

86. the lawyers were on "the view" this morning.

whoppi asked "why did he reach for his gun -- why didn't he just hit trayvon back"? if his head was banged as many times and as hard as he said i think it would have shown and he would have had to go to the hospital -- might have even split his head open.

[TeeYiYi]

83. Fuck! ...

If they never discussed it, how were they able to rule it out?

TYY

[pokerfan]

118. Yep, Zimmerman's “heart was in the right place”

on the night he shot and killed Martin and the only thing he is guilty of is “not using good judgment.”

She said she thought he had “every right so carry a gun,” adding, “I think it’s everyone’s right to carry a gun.”

Says Zimmerman “learned his lesson” and post trial “would be more responsible than anyone else on the planet right now.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-anderson-cooper-interviews-anonymous-member-of-zimmerman-jury-who-defends-acquittal-decision/

[etherealtruth]

15. Zimmerman juror on Anderson Cooper 360 is clearly a MORON

[Chiyo-chichi]

21. Yep.

[alsame]

20. Jesus Christ, doesn't believe GZ racially

profiled TM. No role of race.

GZ would have done the same with a white, Hispanic or Asian male.

It was LATE AT NIGHT???? It was 7 pm!

This one's a racist moron.

[Cali_Democrat]

27. Wasn't the defense actually making the case that Zimmy racially profiled him?

Didn't they bring up the fact that suspects in other neighborhood robberies were black males?

[alsame]

73. They didn't say 'racially profiled' but

acknowledged that the recent break ins were committed by black males.

So, first she said GZ was suspicious of TM because of all the recent break ins, then she said he would have acted the same way with a male of any other race.

And apparently she never picked up the info that this occurred shortly after 7 pm because she referred several times to it being 'late at night'.

[Igel]

120. They're not the same thing.

"Racial profilig"--that's what "profiling" is short for--is profiling on the basis of race.

You see a young adult Latino and you think, as a cop, "Ooh, a Latino kid. They're all thugs and always up to no good." So you give them special scrutiny, you pull the kid over because he's in a nice upscale subdivision, you read something into the fact that when he tries to do something he pushes the "on" button of the radio and it's playing opera. If you're in a low-scale area, you look them all over because you just know they've done something wrong. It's just a matter of what. Why? Because they're young Latino males.

That's all you got. Race, ethnicity, their sex, and your stereotype. That's stereotyping, if not racism. Fine line between the two and it's hard to know where.

If you have a description of suspects, you'd be an idiot to ignore it. "Black male, upper teens or early 20". Sort of a broad description, but it happens. Cross-racial face recognition is fairly poor. But you'd be an idiot to pay special attention to middle-aged white women if that's your description. Sure, the description might be wrong. Not the way to bet

Racial proifling? Nope. Eyewitness description. That's common sense.

[azmom]

130. She did not use the term Hispanic

She said Spanish. I guess she meant someone from Spain. Moron for sure.

[alsame]

131. You're right. nt

[Raine]

22. Juror is even more repulusive than I feared, what a DUMB ASS HOLE!!! nt

[olddots]

23. when does she start on Fux & Friends

n.t.

[alsame]

26. I had to turn it off, she's going on about what

a nice guy he is, bought a new lock for neighbor, tried to protect everyone. His mistake was that he cared too much and got in over his head.

I can't listen any more, she's making me ill.

[RBInMaine]

40. Anyone listening to the 911 tape can see he was a cop wannabe who used rotten judgement. Sickening.

[octoberlib]

41. She just said Zimmerman had a right to defend himself. Sickened. I'm turning it off too. nt

[DesertFlower]

29. i missed the first few minutes but i have it on now.

can't believe my ears listening to this woman. george's heart was in the right place. WTF? didn't racially profile.

[anneboleyn]

38. HOW IN THE FUCK does she know if he is a GOOD man or not? Very depressing mockery of the jury system

All of this indicates that she was very easily mislead (or rather "persuaded?&quot by the defense to think about whether or not Zimmerman was a "good man" -- totally irrelevant -- not whether or not he broke the law by shooting Martin.

[DesertFlower]

52. i agree. she also said george had

a right to defend himself. what about trayvon? didn't he have a right to defend himself?

[laundry_queen]

65. That's the problem with racism today

people don't even recognize it in themselves or others anymore. That she believed GZ had a right to defend himself from a teenager, but didn't think the teenager had the right to defend himself from someone with a gun, says so much about what and who she is. And she doesn't even know it herself. God, I have no patience for clueless people. She didn't even 'realize' the trial was anything 'big'. Oh ffs.

[DesertFlower]

75. i had an e-mail argument with a friend the other night.

i told her that black people are now afraid to let their children out. i was watching joy-ann reid and melissa harris perry talk. she couldn't understand it. she's originally from rochester, NY -- said she worked with black people. well i'm from NYC and not only worked with black people but had black friends. i was friendly with my black co-workers. i'm still in touch with one and we haven't seen each other since '88. she always used to say back in the 80's "i worry about my boys being black". she had 2 teenage boys. i feel my experience with black people gives me a different insight. listening to this juror almost reminds me of my friend. how much interaction did these jurors have with black people? how well did they understand them? are they aware that black men are profiled all the time? i think the jury should have had at least 3 black people on it. on the other hand i have another friend who still lives in NYC who is appalled as i am with the verdict.

[JustAnotherGen]

105. Depending on where she is from

In Rochester - makes a huge difference. I lived there almost 30 years prior to moving to NJ. Grew up there.

Now I'm 40. There were some color lines - example - Being black in Brighton or Irondequoit. Her only experience might be working with black people.

[DesertFlower]

110. i think you're right.

[skeewee08]

71. Anderson never asked her that or any tough questions.

[bettyellen]

63. yet she isn't so sure she wants him on HER neighborhood watch. good man- he didn;t need to call his

neighbor 20 times. LOL, good man or fucking creeper?

[VanillaRhapsody]

60. Because they weren't allowed to hear that he called 911 46 times to report a "suspicious black male"

[anneboleyn]

31. Do juries decide by "which story I like better" logic?

Tragic if this is the case -- based on what we heard after the Casey Anthony trial ("I believed it was an accident like the defense attorney said and that a young mother just couldn't kill her baby" -- NO evidence for that of course) and what we are hearing from this juror ("I just believe everything Zimmerman's attorneys said for him and he MUST have a good heart" -- nevermind the law, the fact of the teenager shot through the heart, etc.)

[newcriminal]

32. I must be watching a different juror than all of you.

She doesn't sound unintelligent. I guess anyone that doesn't see it the way you all do are morons. Maybe you should actually listen and learn something instead of just attacking her intelligence.

[notadmblnd]

39. The way that you are listening and learning instead of insulting our intelligence?

BTW, love the screen name. Are you aspiring to become the next GZ?

[newcriminal]

49. I didn't say any of you were "morons" "stupid dumbass" "repulsive"

My name here came years before GZ.

She said they went over the law and the evidence and kept going over the law until they all agreed on not guilty. Exactly what jurors are suppose to do.

[notadmblnd]

67. I didn't accuse you of calling us names. I said you were not listening and learning

And yes, your self righteous scolding of those commenting about her, is an insult to our intelligence.

The first thing she did was ignore jury instructions. By her own admission she had decided that he was not guilty at the beginning of deliberations. She has a book deal (ALREADY)!

She has no credibility, she's in it for the $$$s

[newcriminal]

74. That is not going against jury instructions.

How the hell is that going against jury instructions to believe he is not guilty. She could have gotten a book deal if they found him guilty as well. My scolding of the people on here calling her names is just that a scolding, if that insults your intelligence that's on you.

[notadmblnd]

80. See? You wern't listening. I did not say she disregarded by believing he was innocent

I said she disregarded jury instructions. Then there was a period (.) followed by my next statement.

When AC asks her whether it made any impact on her when police officer Chris Serino testified that he thought Z was being truthful?

Her response? "It did. It made a BIG impact."

Now, for those paying attention: what part of Serino's testimony did Judge Nelson tell the jurors to disregard?

That's right, the part about the officer saying he thought GZ was being truthful.

[newcriminal]

96. I don't play childish games on here.

"The first thing she did was ignore jury instructions. By her own admission she had decided that he was not guilty at the beginning of deliberations. She has a book deal (ALREADY)! "

That is what you wrote now you want to say putting a period makes the two sentences not together. Grow up.

They juror applied the law as was told to her by the judge. She is not at fault here. I don't know how many jury trials you have sat through, but I can tell you no jury can just erase what was said even if the judge tells them to.

[notadmblnd]

106. They are two completely different statements.

How is it my fault that in your haste to justify your support of the GZ verdict -that you fail to pay attention to what is being said?

[Blue_Tires]

124. She's out of her fucking mind when she says race had nothing to do with the incident

So, she is one or more of the following:

1. Ignorant
2. Racist
3. Being intellectually dishonest in an effort to 'justify' her acquittal decision

[madashelltoo]

35. M O N E Y! M O N E Y! M O N E Y!

I can hear the O'Jays singing it right now. This flea is looking to cash in on tragedy. This shit gets sadder by the moment.

[notadmblnd]

37. Is she the one that already has a book deal?

[femmocrat]

45. She is B 37. Is she the same one?

[notadmblnd]

48. Yes, she is

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014538378

[cal04]

46. I believe so

according to this article
how disgusting

One of the jurors who acquitted George Zimmerman says she believed it was Zimmerman's voice that was heard screaming for help in 911 calls.
The juror, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, talked to CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360" on Monday.
"I think it was George Zimmerman's (voice)," she said, adding that she thought everyone on the jury, with the possible exception of one person, believed the same.
The juror will be writing a book about her experiences, literary agent Sharlene Martin said.
"My hope is that people will read Juror B37's book, written with her attorney husband, and understand the commitment it takes to serve and be sequestered on a jury in a highly publicized murder trial and how important, despite one's personal viewpoints, it is to follow the letter of the law,"president of Martin Literary Agency, wrote in a statement.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/15/justice/zimmerman-juror-book/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[DesertFlower]

78. she said her husband is an attorney and

they're going to write a book together.

[yardwork]

85. Her husband's an attorney? Wouldn't that normally keep her off a jury?

[newcriminal]

97. No, why should it?

[Just Saying]

108. A lot of lawyers will get other lawyers and cops

And their families off juries if possible.

I know they often ask during voir dire (the questioning of the jury) if you are or are related to lawyers, law enforcement or corrections officers. I'd guess from other questions they asked that they don't want cops or their family because they're more likely to weigh their testimony heavily (defense doesn't want them.). With lawyers, they probably believe they will take over deliberations or bring in law that's not necessarily relevant.

They get called like anyone else and can serve, but they probably don't usually get picked.

[steve2470]

117. it usually does, yes

I've been called for jury duty twice in Florida, and both times when they learned my dad was a lawyer, I was off the jury.

[TorchTheWitch]

122. it should

Anyone with ties to the legal profession or police profession is normally kept off of any jury. As a paralegal my name has been thrown out of the jury pool all together in my county. Being a past paralegal doesn't change that. Unfortunately, at first it also threw me out of the voting rolls. I got that fixed though. Some clerical error so they said. So now I'm on the voting roll but with a notation that I can't be called for jury duty because of my past profession. My county uses the voter rolls to pull candidates for jury duty.

Incidentally, ties include friends and family. If I wasn't a paralegal but was married and my husband was than I'd still have been out of the jury pool. That's one of the first questions that get asked of people pulled for jury duty, and normally the first group they scrap.

I'm not sure if I'm really in agreement with it though. I think someone that has ties to either the legal or police professions can certainly be unbiased. But they don't want jurors that have an understanding of these nor have such easy access to an understand through friends or family because of a potential of bias.

I'm astonished that she was chosen to be on this or any jury but more because of things that she said than that her husband is an attorney.

[yardwork]

123. I smell a rat.

She walked onto the jury biased against the victim. She didn't listen to anything the prosecution said (still thinks this happened late at night for instance) and she seems to have convinced three other jurors to acquit. Now she's on talk shows and has a book contract.

Looks like a ringer to me.

[TorchTheWitch]

125. I said in another post that I really think she might have been

chosen on purpose. There's no reason on earth that the prosecution would not have wanted to get rid of her. Some of the things she said were a tailor made dream for the defense.

As for the book deal, that had to have already been in the works before she was ever picked for the jury... how could she have signed a book deal so quickly if she didn't already know she'd be on the jury? And now suddenly the publisher is saying she no longer wants to do the book. Hm. Seems to me that she suddenly realized she should be keeping her big yap shut or be found out.

This woman is VERY hinky. It's no small thing to ignore the judge's admonition during trial to ignore certain testimony and then go on national tv to tell the world she relied heavily on the testimony she was supposed to ignore in order to find Zimmerman not guilty. Further, she had to have also kept this from the other jurors since there's just no way that at LEAST one other would have noted that admonition by the judge. If that was such a big reason for her finding of not guilty why on earth would this have been kept out of deliberations?

She IS looking more and more like a ringing and one the prosecution knew about. There is no reasonable explanation for them to keep her on the panel.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

44. And this, folks, is what jury nullification looks like.

Yesterday there was a thread in which a number of posters lauded the concept of jury nullification, which is where jurors decide to ignore the law and/or the facts and/or the judge's instructions in order to reach a decision they think is fair. Some argued that nullification is a good thing because it mitigates the "tyranny" of the law and allows individual jurors - "the people" - to do what they think is right, a notion promoted with particular zeal by libertarians and 2nd Amendment enthusiasts.

Really?

Here you see it before your very eyes - I offer into evidence of the perils of jury nullification Exhibit A: This jury apparently disregarded a whole buttload of evidence as well as the judge's instructions to disregard certain testimony because they thought Zimmerman was a good guy and just wanted to acquit him.

[Travis_0004]

109. I've never heard a lead detective testify that he supported the defendent.

If I was on the Jury I doubt I would have completely disregarded that testimony either. After all, the jurors are human, and a bell can not be un rung.

[alsame]

111. Because the Sanford PD had

to cover their asses for the way they behaved that night. How else to explain it other than saying they believed everything he said.

Most of the legal analysts on TV commented how unusual his testimony was, that law enforcement is usually support for the prosecution.

[Tx4obama]

51. In the interview she said: "... how THOSE people live ..."

[Cali_Democrat]

56. Wait, wuh?

What people? What is she talking about?

[Tx4obama]

62. When Anderson Cooper asked her about...

... about Jantel saying Trayvon said the 'cracker' phrase (I can't remember the whole phrase)

after that the juror said she didn't think that was a racist remark but that '... that is how THOSE people live ... "

[Cali_Democrat]

66. "those people"

[bettyellen]

76. "those people" - it's "how they live" like going out at 7 PM. The NERVE!! What a horrible woman.

[TeeYiYi]

68. You know...

...THEM!

TYY

[femmocrat]

53. Oh cripes. Now she is crying.

She should spend every damn day crying for what she decided and for the family of Trayvon Martin.

[femmocrat]

57. Anderson asked her if she is scared now.

She's cautious, not scared, she replied. She wants people to know that they "put everything into everything" into the verdict. They all cried afterwards, she felt sorry for both of them.

Poor her.

[madaboutharry]

55. Now she is feeling sorry

for herself. She is not capable of seeing how this was about race.

They couldn't relate to a black teenage boy.

And couldn't listen to the judge.

[bettyellen]

61. SYG? SYG?!??!?!? WTF- she was looking for reasons to let him off.

[davidn3600]

92. That's what a jury is supposed to do...hunt for reasonable doubt

[bettyellen]

99. not when the judge tells them it;s not to be considered (Serino testimony) or not the defense

strategy. They didn't understand what they were SUPPOSED to consider - manslaughter. But they did consider SYG, which was NOT part of the defense. Yet, they hide behind the law. Bullshit, wrong law.

[SeaLyons]

84. Why didn't she take her 15 minutes with Sean Hannity...

I really could've done without seeing it. Dumb beyond words.

[Redford]

116. CNN is paying better

They need the ratings

[erpowers]

129. CNN Not Paying

Anderson Cooper may not be telling the truth, but at the end of the interview he said CNN did not pay for the interview.

[Amaya]

87. Yay Florida

Is there something in the water that makes stupid?

[Vinnie From Indy]

107. Again, I will offer that the prosecutors failed miserably during voir dire (interviews)

The importance of selecting and screening prospective jurors in a case like this can not be understated. That is probably even more true in Florida where the penalties for 2nd and Manslaughter are roughly equivalent.

[brettdale]

114. Zimmerman had a right to defend himself?????

Yeah of course if there is a kid half your size with a packet of skittles, your
first thought must be, I better kill this person to defend myself.

[Awsi Dooger]

121. Simplistic and gullible

I'd like to be shocked but she reminds me of so many people I've met in Las Vegas sportsbooks over the decades. Invariably they are right wingers. Guys come to town determined to bet sports for a living, at least for a while. They sit in the sportsbooks and dissect the games. It's unbelievable how many of them sound exactly like her, with no background in correlation or probability but determined to hoist the most ridiculous version imaginable. "I feel sorry for both of them." Granted, they never last long in my world, generally leaving town broke on a bus. But the replacements are identical.

In particular, I'm annoyed at the insistence that Trayvon started the fight. I'd love to bet against that, if a tape somehow emerged. The defense spent a day and a half determined to describe Zimmerman as the most pathetic person on the planet. Zero capabilities. I believe that was the term. Guys don't think that way. He'd invested month after month losing nearly 100 pounds, probably in the best shape of his life. Physical prime, late 20s. Yet they wouldn't let him in the ring, not for a single round. He found his own confrontation.

After that it's two guys scuffling in the rain. The wimp pulled a gun.

[Vinnie From Indy]

127. I have seen guys like Zimmy in my world and I think your scenario is exactly correct

He wanted so desperately to be Billy Badass but carried a piece just in case.

Cheers!