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Clearly, President Obama's policies have caused economic disaster... (Original Post) JoeBlowToo Apr 2013 OP
Someone will be along shortly to explain why MineralMan Apr 2013 #1
Yep. Some pathetic person with a wall of compiled links... Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #13
Well, you called that one. nt Bobbie Jo Apr 2013 #27
If the corporations would pay their workers well, these numbers would be great. mucifer Apr 2013 #2
And the law allows many of the largest, most profitable corporations to pay little or no Federal indepat Apr 2013 #4
I know for a fact in my state of Alabama that corps are given major state tax breaks.... OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #16
Absolutely, corporations are generally Republicans (they are people, my friend!) JoeBlowToo Apr 2013 #8
Heck Johnny2X2X Apr 2013 #3
You may want to re-word this comment warrior1 Apr 2013 #5
How about " tightening their sphincters in horror?" JoeBlowToo Apr 2013 #6
that'll work warrior1 Apr 2013 #7
I reeeeeeally don't think you want to go here. woo me with science Apr 2013 #9
I do want to go there, despite your cheerful reply... JoeBlowToo Apr 2013 #10
Oh, Republicans would be worse! woo me with science Apr 2013 #12
"Republicans would be worse" doesn't cut it anymore." L0oniX Apr 2013 #53
You ProSense Apr 2013 #54
LMAO ...nice reframe link. L0oniX Apr 2013 #56
Oh, my bad ProSense Apr 2013 #58
"hyping Reagan" LMFAO I guess you missed the part about "I hated Reagan". n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #61
No, ProSense Apr 2013 #62
+1 forestpath Apr 2013 #60
You seem unaware that President Obama is a moderate Republican. GeorgeGist Apr 2013 #72
I'll ProSense Apr 2013 #11
Ooh, a Prosense commercial! woo me with science Apr 2013 #14
Look ProSense Apr 2013 #15
You should really change your boardname to "woo me with Obama-hating"...much more appropriate. nt. OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #17
Nah, more like, woo me with science Apr 2013 #18
I don't see any posts on this board stating "everything is hunky dory", but I do believe.... OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #20
Some people don't ProSense Apr 2013 #21
No, not getting better for the 99 percent woo me with science Apr 2013 #22
"Quite clearly getting worse for most of us" ProSense Apr 2013 #23
You can't prove it's Obama's policies making it worse! says ProSense. woo me with science Apr 2013 #25
I take it ProSense Apr 2013 #26
I take it that you're a glass half empty type of person.... OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #69
+1 LMFAO L0oniX Apr 2013 #51
There are many areas of the economy that are recovering. NCTraveler Apr 2013 #19
I remember reading an article right after the election... PennsylvaniaMatt Apr 2013 #24
This looks pretty good to me...Forward. sheshe2 Apr 2013 #28
Yeah, all those temporary, low-wage, no-benefit "McJobs" are really something! woo me with science Apr 2013 #29
From your link ProSense Apr 2013 #30
Keep trying. woo me with science Apr 2013 #31
Are you ProSense Apr 2013 #32
Only as much as you want people to ignore woo me with science Apr 2013 #34
Here's the problem ProSense Apr 2013 #36
No, they aren't. Not for the 99 percent. woo me with science Apr 2013 #39
Apparently, ProSense Apr 2013 #41
"Keep trying." OK ProSense Apr 2013 #33
Yes, let's raise the minimum wage by a dollar and 75 cents, woo me with science Apr 2013 #35
Seriously? ProSense Apr 2013 #38
Because you are playing dumb, I will be crystal clear. woo me with science Apr 2013 #42
Because you don't ProSense Apr 2013 #43
Classic avoidance of my point. nt woo me with science Apr 2013 #45
LOL! ProSense Apr 2013 #46
Let me repeat my point. Perhaps you can try again: woo me with science Apr 2013 #48
OK, ProSense Apr 2013 #49
What I do not understand, woo me with science, sheshe2 Apr 2013 #37
ROFL! woo me with science Apr 2013 #44
"No, the problem is not Republican obstructionism." ProSense Apr 2013 #47
Ah, the perfect place to end this exchange: woo me with science Apr 2013 #50
It was ProSense Apr 2013 #52
Refusing to rationalize Democratic complicity is not "defending Republicans" n/t markpkessinger Apr 2013 #57
your ProSense Apr 2013 #59
+1 ...the reframe gang is getting old. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #63
So glad I was able to make you laugh! sheshe2 Apr 2013 #55
The only disaster I see is the one he is trying to clean up Rex Apr 2013 #40
RepubliCONS want our Country to FAIL. Cha Apr 2013 #64
Yup they sure do! sheshe2 Apr 2013 #67
Wall Street should be FURIOUS with him! I mean look at this! TroglodyteScholar Apr 2013 #65
Interestingly, Jamaal510 Apr 2013 #68
Yup...things are looking pretty good in my region bhikkhu Apr 2013 #66
After reading through this thread ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2013 #70
thank you, 1StrongBlackMan Cha Apr 2013 #71
 

Comrade_McKenzie

(2,526 posts)
13. Yep. Some pathetic person with a wall of compiled links...
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 02:45 PM
Apr 2013

As if you can't find links to articles supporting any opinion you may have.

mucifer

(23,550 posts)
2. If the corporations would pay their workers well, these numbers would be great.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 01:30 PM
Apr 2013

The billionaires are pocketing all the profit. The laws allow this.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
4. And the law allows many of the largest, most profitable corporations to pay little or no Federal
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 01:35 PM
Apr 2013

income taxes, all the while it is reported cutting social security is in the president's budget.

OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
16. I know for a fact in my state of Alabama that corps are given major state tax breaks....
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:11 PM
Apr 2013

....as well as being charged virtually nothing for use of the land on which they build.



 

JoeBlowToo

(253 posts)
8. Absolutely, corporations are generally Republicans (they are people, my friend!)
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 01:46 PM
Apr 2013

and are unable to understand that the economy is shakey, constipated and headed for recession when people do not get fair wages and unemployment is high.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
3. Heck
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 01:30 PM
Apr 2013

You don;t have to look to Republicans for this rhetoric, there are multiple threads on DU lamenting economic disaster.

The whole we were in was huge, Obama has dug us mostly out of the whole with no help from Republicans. There's stilla lot of work to do, but there is no denying things are going in the right direction.

warrior1

(12,325 posts)
5. You may want to re-word this comment
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 01:37 PM
Apr 2013

Some might find this a slam against women, like me.

Republicans clutch their purses in dismay!
 

JoeBlowToo

(253 posts)
6. How about " tightening their sphincters in horror?"
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 01:43 PM
Apr 2013

More likely they will be flining their poo in rage, which is also a slam against our simian relatives.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
9. I reeeeeeally don't think you want to go here.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 01:46 PM
Apr 2013

Incomes Flat in Recovery, but Not for the 1%
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014400736

Top 1% get 121% of income gains since 2009 (100% of new income + 21% from your old income)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022384139

U.S. corporate profits stronger than ever, workers' wages fallen to lowest-ever share of GDP (CNN)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021922334

U.S. Income Inequality Now Worse Than Many Latin American Countries
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022268073

Ranks of working poor increasing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022200197

Inequality Rages as Dwindling Wages Lock Millions in Poverty
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022198286

The Middle Class In America Is Being Wiped Out – Here Are 60 Facts That Prove It
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022144851

Child poverty rates increase unabated
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022268450

40 Percent of Americans Now Make Less than 1968 Minimum Wage
http://www.democraticunderground.com/111631016

Corporate Profits Have Grown By 171 Percent Under ‘Anti-Business’ Obama
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014372334

US poverty on track to reach 46-year high; suburbs, underemployed workers, children hit hard
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002998131

Poverty, hunger among retirees increasing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002748342

The Economy is "Recovering" By Creating More Low-Wage Jobs... Increasingly Filled By Graduates
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022602162

"Recovery" in US is lifting profits, but not adding jobs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014414149

Obama to use pension funds of ordinary Americans to pay for bank mortgage settlements
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002205218

What Recovery? Across America, People in Distressed Cities and Small Towns Face Economic Catastrophe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022545596

Real wages decline; literally no one notices
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11172387

Wall Street Soars with Wealth as Wages Stagnate, Jobs Remain in a Slump
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12526154

Wages for bottom 90% declined 1.2% during 2009-2011 recovery, top 1% income grew 8.2%
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022271466

Three Minimum Wage Jobs Needed To Afford Two-Bedroom Apartment
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022578738

Wages have fallen to a record low as a share of America’s gross domestic product.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022183930

The Real Numbers: Half of America in Poverty -- and It's Creeping toward 75%
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002290698

 

JoeBlowToo

(253 posts)
10. I do want to go there, despite your cheerful reply...
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 02:19 PM
Apr 2013

I am not cheerleading all Obama policies but I am happy because the Republicans are getting no traction. Should we take their side and accentuate the negative? I think that Professor Krugman had a good take on CA today that showed what progressive Democrats can accomplish without Republican obstructionism and nullification. Everything we do to diminish the credibility of the Republicans is a step in the right direction. That is not to say that there is no need to keep pushing for higher wages, more jobs and increased taxes on the rich to tip it back in favor of four fiths of the population.

And do you reeeally need that valley girl emphasis to make your point?

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
12. Oh, Republicans would be worse!
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 02:41 PM
Apr 2013

Of course! The same garbage argument as always, as to why we should be satisfied with the OUTRAGEOUS status quo I posted. This is *always* how passivity to the corporate takeover of our party is sold. "The other guy would be worse."

No, millions of us are being impoverished....under Obama. You don't want to go there. You ignore what I posted. Unfortuately, millions of Americans *can't* ignore what I posted, because they are living the endless parade of betrayals, every single day.

"Republicans would be worse" is perhaps the most arrogant and insulting response possible to a listing of what Americans are enduring now because of the corporatization of our party. We are very weary of being lied to and told that things are getting better when there is a new corporate legislative assault, from DEMOCRATS, Every. Single. Day.

No, "Republicans would be worse" doesn't cut it anymore.

We will not be mollified with assurances that the other guy would cause even MORE pain than our guy. We want the fucking corporatists out of our party.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
53. "Republicans would be worse" doesn't cut it anymore."
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:34 PM
Apr 2013

Ronald Reagan on Social Security
President of the U.S., 1981-1989; Republican Governor (CA)

1983: Ironclad commitment to Social Security
It's not unreasonable for people who paid into a system for decades to expect to get their money's worth--that's not an "entitlement," that's honoring a deal. We as a society must also make an ironclad commitment to providing a safety net for those who can't make one for themselves.

On April 20, 1983, Reagan signed a bill to preserve Social Security. At that bill signing, the president said words every Republican should heed:

"This bill demonstrates for all time our nation's ironclad commitment to Social Security. It assures the elderly that America will always keep the promises made in troubled times a half a century ago. It assures those who are still working that they, too, have a pact with the future. From this day forward, they have one pledge that they will get their fair share of benefits when they retire."

But ...but ...but ...Obama is just playing chess. The real Obama will appear any moment now. In this country it's all a corporate sponsored good cop bad cop show. Truth over party!

BTW ..I hated Reagan with all the fire of the hottest pepper in the world.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
54. You
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:39 PM
Apr 2013
Ronald Reagan on Social Security
President of the U.S., 1981-1989; Republican Governor (CA)

1983: Ironclad commitment to Social Security
It's not unreasonable for people who paid into a system for decades to expect to get their money's worth--that's not an "entitlement," that's honoring a deal. We as a society must also make an ironclad commitment to providing a safety net for those who can't make one for themselves.

On April 20, 1983, Reagan signed a bill to preserve Social Security. At that bill signing, the president said words every Republican should heed:

"This bill demonstrates for all time our nation's ironclad commitment to Social Security. It assures the elderly that America will always keep the promises made in troubled times a half a century ago. It assures those who are still working that they, too, have a pact with the future. From this day forward, they have one pledge that they will get their fair share of benefits when they retire."

But ...but ...but ...Obama is just playing chess. The real Obama will appear any moment now. In this country it's all a corporate sponsored good cop bad cop show. Truth over party!

BTW ..I hated Reagan with all the fire of the hottest pepper in the world.

...should hate him.

Reaganomics was/is a failure
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022096027

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
58. Oh, my bad
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:47 PM
Apr 2013

"LMAO ...nice reframe link. Never said anything about Reaganomics but please proceed."

I forgot that some people don't like links. Here's the information:

...Reagan's legacy of tax increases is based solely on taxing Social Security.

<...>

Q3. Which political party started taxing Social Security annuities?

A3. The taxation of Social Security began in 1984 following passage of a set of Amendments in 1983, which were signed into law by President Reagan in April 1983. These amendments passed the Congress in 1983 on an overwhelmingly bi-partisan vote.

The basic rule put in place was that up to 50% of Social Security benefits could be added to taxable income, if the taxpayer's total income exceeded certain thresholds.

The taxation of benefits was a proposal which came from the Greenspan Commission appointed by President Reagan and chaired by Alan Greenspan (who went on to later become the Chairman of the Federal Reserve).

The full text of the Greenspan Commission report is available on our website.

President's Reagan's signing statement for the 1983 Amendments can also be found on our website.

A detailed explanation of the provisions of the 1983 law is also available on the website.

Q4. Which political party increased the taxes on Social Security annuities?

A4. In 1993, legislation was enacted which had the effect of increasing the tax put in place under the 1983 law. It raised from 50% to 85% the portion of Social Security benefits subject to taxation; but the increased percentage only applied to "higher income" beneficiaries. Beneficiaries of modest incomes might still be subject to the 50% rate, or to no taxation at all, depending on their overall taxable income.

This change in the tax rate was one provision in a massive Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (OBRA) passed that year. The OBRA 1993 legislation was deadlocked in the Senate on a tie vote of 50-50 and Vice President Al Gore cast the deciding vote in favor of passage. President Clinton signed the bill into law on August 10, 1993.

(You can find a brief historical summary of the development of taxation of Social Security benefits on the Social Security website.)

http://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths2.html



<...>

TAX TREATMENT

Taxation of Social Security and Railroad Retirement Tier 1 Benefits

Beginning in 1984, includes in taxable income up to one-half of Social Security (and railroad retirement tier 1) benefits received by taxpayers whose incomes exceed certain base amounts. The base amounts are $25,000 for a single taxpayer, $32,000 for married taxpayers filing jointly and zero for married taxpayers filing separately. Income for purposes of figuring these base amounts includes adjusted gross income under prior law, plus nontaxable interest income, and one-half of Social Security and railroad retirement tier 1 benefits. The amount of benefits that could be included in taxable income will be the lesser of one-half of benefits or one-half of the excess of the taxpayers' combined income (AGI + one-half of benefits) over the base amount. The provision for including nontaxable interest income is intended to provide similar tax treatment of benefits received by individuals whose total incomes consist of different mixes of taxable and nontaxable income and to limit opportunities for manipulation of tax liability on benefits.

Includes in the definition of Social Security benefits for tax purposes workmen's compensation benefits to the extent they cause a reduction in Social Security and railroad retirement tier 1 disability benefits. This provision is intended to assure that these social insurance benefits, which are paid in lieu of Social Security payments, are treated similarly for purposes of taxation.

The provision applies to nonresident aliens as well as U.S. citizens. Under the Internal Revenue Code, nonresident aliens who have income from sources other than a U.S. trade or business are taxed at a flat rate of 30 percent, unless a tax treaty provides otherwise, and the taxes must be withheld at the source of payment. Thus, 30 percent of 1/2 of the Social Security benefit (15 percent of the total benefit) will be withheld from nonresident alien beneficiaries.

Provides special rules for dealing with overpayments and lump-sum retroactive benefit payments. Benefits paid to an individual in any taxable year will be reduced by any overpayments repaid during the year. Taxpayers who receive a lump-sum payment of retroactive benefits may treat the benefits as wholly payable for the year in which they receive them or may elect to attribute the benefits to the tax years in which they would have fallen had they been paid timely. No benefits for months before December 1983 would be taxable, regardless of when they are paid.

Requires the Secretary of Health and Human Services and the Railroad Retirement Board to file annual returns with the Secretary of the Treasury setting forth the amounts of benefits paid to each individual in each calendar year, together with the name and address of the individual. Also requires furnishing of similar information to each beneficiary.

Requires that amounts equivalent to estimated quarterly proceeds from the taxation of benefits be automatically deposited in the Social Security trust funds and the railroad retirement account, as appropriate, at the beginning of each calendar quarter, subject to final adjustments based on estimates by the Secretary of the Treasury. Requires an annual report by the Secretary of the Treasury concerning the transfers under this provision.

The provision is estimated to affect about 10 percent of Social Security beneficiaries in 1984. Amounts equal to the estimated tax revenues under this provision will be automatically deposited to the OASDI trust funds. The provision increases trust fund revenues by $26.7 billion for 1983-1989 and by .62 percent of taxable payroll in the long range.

http://www.ssa.gov/history/1983amend2.html

Prior to that, Reagan enacted the largest tax cuts ever, a 20 percent drop on the top rate.

The Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981 (Pub.L. 97-34), also known as the ERTA or "Kemp-Roth Tax Cut," was a federal law enacted in the United States in 1981. It was an act "to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 to encourage economic growth through reductions in individual income tax rates, the expensing of depreciable property, incentives for small businesses, and incentives for savings, and for other purposes".[1] Included in the act was an across-the-board decrease in the marginal income tax rates in the U.S. by 23% over three years, with the top rate falling from 70% to 50% and the bottom rate dropping from 14% to 11%. This act slashed estate taxes and trimmed taxes paid by business corporations by $150 billion over a five-year period. Additionally the tax rates were indexed for inflation, though the indexing was delayed until 1985.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Recovery_Tax_Act_of_1981

Then there was the 1986 tax cut.

Tax Reform Act of 1986

The U.S. Congress passed the Tax Reform Act of 1986 (TRA) (Pub.L. 99-514, 100 Stat. 2085, enacted October 22, 1986) to simplify the income tax code, broaden the tax base and eliminate many tax shelters and other preferences. Referred to as the second of the two "Reagan tax cuts" (the Kemp-Roth Tax Cut of 1981 being the first), the bill was also officially sponsored by Democrats, Richard Gephardt of Missouri in the House of Representatives and Bill Bradley of New Jersey in the Senate.

The Tax Reform Act of 1986 was given impetus by a detailed tax-simplification proposal from President Reagan's Treasury Department, and was designed to be tax-revenue neutral because Reagan stated that he would veto any bill that was not. Revenue neutrality was targeted by decreasing individual tax rates, eliminating $30 billion annually in loopholes, and increasing corporate taxes.[1] The bill reduced overall revenues by 8.9 billion dollars.[2] As of 2012, the Tax Reform Act of 1986 was the most recent major simplification of the tax code, drastically reducing the number of deductions and the number of tax brackets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Reform_Act_of_1986


The effect of Reagan's tax cuts were at least partially offset by phased in Social Security payroll tax increases that had been enacted by President Jimmy Carter and the 95th Congress in 1977

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics#Tax_revenue

It's time to stop hyping Reagan.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
62. No,
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:57 PM
Apr 2013

"'hyping Reagan' LMFAO I guess you missed the part about 'I hated Reagan'"

...I actually commented that you should hate him. The information was a repost from the link.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
11. I'll
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 02:40 PM
Apr 2013

"I reeeeeeally don't think you want to go here."

... go there. What does that wall of "blue links" mean?

FYI: America's problems predate 2009, and President Obama is working to improve the country.

President Obama actually unprivatized student loans in his first term: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022557183

His health care reform did the unthinkable: raised taxes on the rich.

It also did more for inequality than any other legislation in decades.

There is a debate about the impact of the recent tax deal, but simple arithmetic shows the reality.

Pre Bush tax cuts: lowest tax bracket 15 percent and top tax bracket 39.6 percent.
Bush tax cuts: lowest tax bracket 10 percent and top tax bracket 35 percent.
President Obama's tax deal, lowest rate 10 percent, top rate 39.6 percent.

Do the math and it will show that the gap between someone earning $50,000 and someone earning $500,000 closed to more than what it was in the 1990s. Add the health care law tax and the gap closes even more.

<...>

Perhaps the best prism through which to see the Democrats’ gains is inequality. In the 2008 campaign, Mr. Obama said that his top priority as president would be to “create bottom-up economic growth” and reduce inequality...In the 2009 stimulus, he insisted on making tax credits “fully refundable,” so that even people who did not make enough to pay much federal tax would benefit. The 2010 health care law overhaul was probably the biggest attack on inequality since it began rising in the 1970s, increasing taxes on businesses and the rich to pay for health insurance largely for the middle class.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/us/politics/for-obama-fiscal-deal-is-a-victory-that-also-holds-risks.html


Obama and Redistribution

Some notes for myself: how much impact have Obama’s policies actually had on current and prospective inequality?

The main policies to consider are PPACA (the health reform) and ATRA (the fiscal cliff deal with its associated tax rise).

I’m not a fan of the Tax Foundation’s work, but their analysis of the distributional effects of Obamacare looks about right: significant benefits to the bottom half of the income distribution, paid for largely by taxes on the top few percent (the Medicare surcharge and the extra tax on investment income). The Tax Policy Center — whose work I do trust — has the Act reducing the after-tax income of the top 1 percent by 1.8 percent, the top 0.1 percent by 2.5 percent.

Meanwhile, ATRA raises taxes relative to a continuation of the Bush high-end tax cuts: after-tax income down 4.5 percent for the 1-percenters, 6.2 percent for the top 0.1 percent.

Putting this together, we have a roughly 6 percent hit to the 1 percent, around 9 to the superelite. That’s only a partial rollback of these groups’ huge gains since 1980, but it’s not trivial.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/20/obama-and-redistribution/

Do the math.

There is a reason Republicans want to repeal this law.

Who Benefits from the ACA Medicaid Expansion?

A key element of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) is the expansion of Medicaid to nearly all individuals with incomes up to 138 percent of the federal poverty level (FPL) ($15,415 for an individual; $26,344 for a family of three in 2012) in 2014. Medicaid currently provides health coverage for over 60 million individuals, including 1 in 4 children, but low parent eligibility levels and restrictions in eligibility for other adults mean that many low income individuals remain uninsured. The ACA expands coverage by setting a national Medicaid eligibility floor for nearly all groups. By 2016, Medicaid, along with the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), will cover an additional 17 million individuals, mostly low-income adults, leading to a significant reduction in the number of uninsured people.

Medicaid does not cover many low-income adults today. To qualify for Medicaid prior to health reform, individuals had to meet financial eligibility criteria and belong to one of the following specific groups: children, parents, pregnant women, people with severe disability, and seniors. Non-disabled adults without dependent children were generally excluded from Medicaid unless the state obtained a waiver to cover them. The federal government sets minimum eligibility levels for each category, which are up to 133% FPL for pregnant women and children but are much lower for parents (under 50% FPL in most states). States have the option to expand coverage to higher incomes, but Medicaid eligibility levels for adults remain very limited (Figure 1). Seventeen states limit Medicaid coverage to parents earning less than 50 percent of poverty ($9,545 for a family of 3), and only eight states provide full Medicaid coverage to other low-income adults. State-by state Medicaid eligibility levels for parents and other adults are available here.



The ACA expands Medicaid to a national floor of 138% of poverty ($15,415 for an individual; $26,344 for a family of three). The threshold is 133% FPL, but 5% of an individual’s income is disregarded, effectively raising the limit to 138% FPL. The expansion of coverage will make many low-income adults newly eligible for Medicaid and reduce the current variation in eligibility levels across states. To preserve the current base of coverage, states must also maintain minimum eligibility levels in place as of March 2010, when the law was signed. This requirement remains in effect until 2014 for adults and 2019 for children. Under the ACA, states also have the option to expand coverage early to low-income adults prior to 2014. To date, eight states (CA, CT, CO, DC, MN, MO, NJ and WA) have taken up this option to extend Medicaid to adults. Nearly all of these states previously provided solely state- or county-funded coverage to some low-income adults. By moving these adults to Medicaid and obtaining federal financing, these states were able to maintain and, in some cases, expand coverage. Together these early expansions covered over half a million adults as of April 2012.

Eligibility requirements for the elderly and persons with disabilities do not change under reform although some individuals with disabilities may become newly eligible under the adult expansion. Lawfully residing immigrants will be eligible for the Medicaid expansion, although many will continue to be subject to a five-year waiting period before they may enroll in coverage. States have the option to eliminate this five-year waiting period for children and pregnant women but not for other adults. Undocumented immigrants will remain ineligible for Medicaid.

- more -

http://www.kff.org/medicaid/quicktake_aca_medicaid.cfm


Editorial

Report Card on Health Care Reform

By THE EDITORIAL BOARD

Republican leaders in Congress regularly denounce the 2010 Affordable Care Act and vow to block money to carry it out or even to repeal it. Those political attacks ignore the considerable benefits delivered to millions of people since the law’s enactment three years ago Saturday. The main elements of the law do not kick in until Jan. 1, 2014, when many millions of uninsured people will gain coverage. Yet it has already thrown a lifeline to people at high risk of losing insurance or being uninsured, including young adults and people with chronic health problems, and it has made a start toward reforming the costly, dysfunctional American health care system.

EXPANDING COVERAGE Starting in 2010, all insurers and employers that offer dependent coverage were required to offer coverage to dependent children up to age 26. An estimated 6.6 million people ages 19 through 25 have been able to stay on or join their parents’ plans as result, with more than 3 million previously uninsured young adults getting health insurance. The law requires private health insurers to provide free preventive care, without co-pays or deductibles. Some 71 million Americans have received at least one free preventive service, like a mammogram or a flu shot, and an additional 34 million older Americans got free preventive services in 2012 under Medicare.

<...>

The law appropriated $11 billion over five years to build and operate community health centers, a major factor in increasing the annual number of patients served to 21 million, a rise of 3 million from previous levels. Some $5 billion has been put into a reinsurance program that has encouraged employers to retain coverage for retirees and their families; 19 million people benefited with reduced premiums or cost-sharing.

<...>

BETTER QUALITY OF CARE One of the most promising aspects of the health reform act is its focus on improving quality. The percentage of Medicare patients requiring readmission to the hospital within 30 days of discharge dropped from an average of 19 percent over the past five years to 17.8 percent in the last half of 2012, an improvement due in large part to penalties imposed by Medicare for poor performance and financial incentives paid by Medicare to providers to encourage better coordination of care after a patient leaves the hospital.

- more -

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/24/opinion/sunday/report-card-on-health-care-reform.html

Here's a summary of the NYT report:

That includes:

  • Some 6.6 million people ages 19 through 25 who have been able to stay on their parents' insurance plans and more than than 3 million young adults getting health insurance.

  • 17 million getting some kind of free preventive service, like flu shots, and 34 million Medicare recipients getting free preventive services in 2012;

  • 17 million children with pre-existing conditions being protected against being uninsured;

  • More than 107,000 adults with pre-existing conditions finally having insurance under the federally run insurance program;

  • 21 million received care from expanded community health centers, 3 million more than previously served;

  • $1.1 billion in rebates, an average of $151 per family paid by insurers that failed to meet the benchmark of 80 to 85 percent of premium revenues on medical claims or quality improvements;

  • Since 2010, more than 6.3 million older or disabled people have saved more than $6.3 billion on prescription drugs;
- more -

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/03/25/1196892/-An-Affordable-Care-Act-report-card-three-years-in


Medicare Fraud: HHS announces record-breaking $4.2 Billion recovered in FY 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022354924

The President's policies also prove that savings do not have to come at the expense of appropriate spending and benefits. The health care law not only expanded benefits for seniors, it's reversing the damage done by Bush, and it strengthened Medicare.

Long before this Supreme Court decision, through the Affordable Care Act, seniors began to see positive changes in their prescription drug costs, access to preventive health care, and more. Thanks to the Supreme Court’s decision the following provisions will continue to be provided to seniors:

Medicare Improvements

The ACA contains several important improvements to the Medicare program, many of which are already helping seniors today.

1) Closing the donut hole

a. Medicare Part D covers the cost of medications up to a certain point. Between that point, and a catastrophic coverage threshold, the older adult must pay out of pocket for medication (this gap in coverage is often called the Part D “donut hole”). One in four beneficiaries fall in this gap, and end up paying an average of $3,610 out of pocket on drug expenses.

b. The ACA requires drug manufacturers to reduce prices for Medicare enrollees in the donut hole. Beginning in 2011, brand‐name drug manufacturers must provide a 50% discount on brand‐name and biologic drugs for Part D enrollees in the donut hole. By 2013, Medicare will begin to provide an additional discount on brand‐name and biologic drugs for enrollees in the donut hole. By 2020, Part D enrollees will be responsible for only 25% of donut hole drug costs.

c. This is a benefit seniors are getting now, and will continue to get as a result of this decision.

2) Improving senior’s access to preventive medical services

a. Prior to the ACA, Medicare beneficiaries were required to pay a deductible and 20% copay for many preventive health services.

b. The ACA eliminated cost‐sharing for many preventive services and introduced an annual wellness visit for beneficiaries.

c. The ACA also eliminated cost‐sharing for screening services, like mammograms, Pap smears, bone mass measurements, depression screening, diabetes screening, HIV screening and obesity screenings.

d. This is a benefit seniors are getting now, and will continue to get as a result of this decision.

- more -

http://www.ncpssm.org/Portals/0/pdf/aca-analysis.pdf


MEDICARE’S FINANCIAL CONDITION

Medicare’s financial condition is measured in several ways, including the solvency of the Part A Trust Fund, the annual growth in spending, and growth in spending on a per capita basis. Average annual growth in total Medicare spending is projected to be 6.6% between 2010 and 2019, but 3.5% on a per capita basis (assuming no reduction in physician fees).

The Part A Trust Fund is projected to be depleted in 2024— eight years longer than in the absence of the health reform law—at which point Medicare would not have sufficient funds to pay full benefits, even though revenue flows into the Trust Fund each year. Part A Trust Fund solvency is affected by growth in the economy, which directly affects revenue from payroll tax contributions, and by demographic trends: an increasing number of beneficiaries, especially between 2010 and 2030 when the baby boom generation reaches Medicare eligibility age, and a declining ratio of workers per beneficiary making payroll contributions (Figure 4).

http://www.kff.org/medicare/upload/7305-06.pdf

The law gets better as it nears full implementation in 2014.

New Federal Rule Requires Insurers to Offer Mental Health Coverage
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022407451

Here’s one way Obamacare changed today
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251288922

Rules finalized for the good stuff in Obamacare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022415967

Kathleen Sebelius: Holding Insurance Companies Accountable for High Premium Increases
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022417762

The health care law is still the biggest expansion of the safety net since Medicare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022159929

The President has also enacted serious Wall Street reforms: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022456858

The Wall Street reform law would have a significant impact if implementation is sped up.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022441546

There is also big movement in civil rights, which is an economic issue.

Obama administration asks Supreme Court to strike down Defense of Marriage Act
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022416121

Another big, bold stroke for gay rights
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022442960

<...>

Evan Wolfson, who leads the pro-marriage-equality group Freedom To Marry, told TPM that the brief makes as expansive a legal case as plausible for putting gay and straight couples on equal footing. “The arguments laid out powerfully and clearly refute all the purported justifications for withholding the freedom to marry for gay couples,” Wolfson said.

- more -

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/03/obama-gays-have-a-constitutional-right-to-marry.php


LGBT People Will Receive First-Ever Domestic Violence Protections Under VAWA
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022443504

The President is leading the way in other areas.

President Obama Shows No CISPA-like Invasion of Privacy Needed to Defend Critical Infrastructure

By Michelle Richardson

Last night the President signed an executive order (EO) aimed at ramping up the cybersecurity of critical infrastructure. Overwhelmingly, the EO focuses on privacy-neutral coordination between the government and the owners and operators of critical infrastructure (CI)—such as the banking, communication, power, and transportation sectors—which have long been regulated because of their fundamental role in the smooth operation of society. Now that these important entities are all connected to the internet, the administration insists that their cybersecurity be on par with their physical security.

There are two important information sharing advancements in the EO, and this time they are good for privacy. They do not include the many problems of legislation like the Cyber Intelligence and Sharing Protection Act (CISPA) because an executive order by definition cannot take away the privacy protections granted by current statutes. In other words, the EO cannot exempt companies from privacy statutes, or let the government collect new information. It can only act within its existing power to change policies and practices.

Two cheers for cybersecurity programs that can do something besides spy on Americans.

The first information sharing advancement greases the wheels of information from the government to the private sector. Section 4 lights a fire under agencies and directs them to share more information with companies—information they already have and can legally collect under current law. Information flowing in this direction is nowhere as near as problematic as the opposite direction. To the extent that corporate and congressional advocates claim that CISPA is needed for this purpose, the administration beat them to the punch. The EO directs the attorney general, the director of national intelligence and the secretary of homeland security to set up a system to get threat information to critical infrastructure owners and operators. They have four months to pull it together.

The second information sharing provision is a net positive for civil liberties. Section 5 directs the Department of Homeland Security, the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board (PCLOB) and the Office of Management and Budget to evaluate current interagency information sharing. There is plenty of cyber information floating around the executive branch and across different agencies. There doesn't appear to be any publicly available regulation of how that information is protected for privacy purposes, and it may very well be that it is protected by a mish-mash of originating statutes that treat different types of information with varying protections. By holding the agencies accountable to the Fair Information Practice Principles (FIPPs)—transparency, choice, minimization and more—we may see a government-wide cybersecurity privacy regime evolve. To get it done right, PCLOB will need to be funded and staffed up, and advocacy will be needed to keep the agencies true to the FIPPs, but the President has now declared them the bellwether for cybersecurity information.

Overall, the EO is a win for privacy and civil liberties. It's a good reminder that while some are focused like a laser on turning our internet records over to the National Security Agency, there are a lot of other things that government can do to advance cybersecurity instead. Now it's up to all of us to make sure Congress follows the President's lead.

http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security-technology-and-liberty/president-obama-shows-no-cispa-invasion-privacy-needed


After Petition, White House Says Unlocking Cell Phones Should Be Legal
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022458326

Obama, winning the argument

By Eugene Robinson

In his bid to be remembered as a transformational leader, President Obama is...gradually winning the argument about what government can and should do. His State of the Union address was an announcement of that fact — and a warning to conservatives that, to remain relevant, they will have to move beyond the premise that government is always the problem and never the solution...Repairing the nation’s infrastructure is not a partisan issue; bridges rust at the same rate in Republican-held congressional districts as in Democratic ones. The benefits of universal preschool will accrue in red states as well as blue. Climate change is not deterred by the fact that a majority of the Republican caucus in the House doesn’t believe in it.

<...>

When Obama took office, the United States was in a similar funk. Ronald Reagan’s conservative ideas had been corrupted by his followers into a kind of anti-government nihilism. Reagan wanted to shrink government; today’s Republican Party wants to destroy it.

Obama assumed leadership of a country in which inequality was growing and economic mobility declining, with the result that the American dream was becoming less attainable. It was a country whose primary and secondary schools lagged far behind international norms; whose airports, roads and bridges were showing their age; and, most important, whose path to continued prosperity, in the age of globalization and information technology, was not entirely clear.

Obama’s State of the Union speech was a detailed reiteration of his position that we can and must act to secure our future — and that government can and must be one of our principal instruments.

- more -

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eugene-robinson-obama-winning-the-argument/2013/02/14/31f7bf32-76e9-11e2-aa12-e6cf1d31106b_story.html


The Real Obama
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022372942

The economy is recovering and Republicans are determined to destroy it
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022505883

Paul Krugman Destroys GOP’s Talking Points On Government Jobs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022304886

Everything is perfect again in the country, but ignoring the massive volume of changes implemented(http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022223211) by this President to move the country in the right direction is simply an attempt to destroy his character.



woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
14. Ooh, a Prosense commercial!
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:04 PM
Apr 2013

Last edited Tue Apr 2, 2013, 09:49 PM - Edit history (1)

What a melange of wonderful chocolate ration! Another article about the imminent appearance of the "REAL OBAMA"!

This one is dated February 2013, only FOUR YEARS into his Presidency! And look at the quote:

Is this the real Barack Obama? I hope so. I like this one.


It is always so exciting, waiting for the REAL OBAMA to appear. And it's cool that, despite that article expressing such hopes for his second term, he is still planning cuts to Social Security and Medicare; and he signed the Monsanto Protection Act; and he is going ahead with the Trans-Pacific Free Trade Agreement; and education corporatization; and he appointed a serial defender of corrupt bankers for the SEC; the architect of "Kill Lists" and supporter of torture, drone wars, and telecom immunity for the CIA; and a Monsanto VP who has lied and been involved in extremely disturbing claims regarding food safety for the FDA.

...Because if he actually transformed into the REAL OBAMA, we wouldn't have the REAL OBAMA to look forward to anymore!

And...all that other stuff in your post, like about unlocking cell phones! WOW! I was wrong! Everything is just GREAT IN AMERICA!




.......
We now return to our regularly scheduled reality: The steady, unrelenting destruction of the middle class and obscene continued enrichment of the one percent documented in my post...

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
18. Nah, more like,
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:19 PM
Apr 2013

"Woo me with fatigue for the incessant Third Way talking points and 'Republicans would be worse.'"

People are really weary of being told that everything is hunky dory and getting better, when the truth is what I posted here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2603241, and there is a new corporate betrayal every day.

OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
20. I don't see any posts on this board stating "everything is hunky dory", but I do believe....
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:31 PM
Apr 2013

....things are getting better even though our economic progress is much slower than I would like to see.

Let me know if you find any links on this board to anyone stating "everything is hunky dory"...I personally don't believe you'll find any.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
21. Some people don't
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:53 PM
Apr 2013

want anyone to acknowledge that things are slowly improving. Their only goal is to prove that inequality, poverty and every social problem that has been festering for decades is the President's fault.

The economy is recovering and Republicans are determined to destroy it
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022505883

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
22. No, not getting better for the 99 percent
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 04:40 PM
Apr 2013

in the most important areas. Quite clearly getting worse for most of us, although not for the corporations. See the links you keep ignoring, your "beliefs" notwithstanding:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2603241


What we have witnessed, and what is forthcoming, has not been a "recovery," but a restructuring on behalf of the one percent through legislation. Lower wages, increased privatization, spiraling costs, crappy jobs, reduced benefits, and a "new normal" with purposely curtailed safety nets. Meanwhile, corporate profits are exploding.

And just wait until Obama's policies on further corporatizing education; passing the massive, job sucking and wage-depressing Trans-Pacific Free Trade agreement; approving the environmentally devastating Keystone Pipeline; and imposing austerity and cuts to Social Security go through.

Wait 'til you see the headlines then.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
23. "Quite clearly getting worse for most of us"
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 04:48 PM
Apr 2013

You haven't posted anything that shows that it's Obama's policies that are making it "worse."

In fact, his policies have improved the lives of millions of people: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2603474

"And just wait until Obama's policies on further corporatizing education; passing the massive, job sucking and wage-depressing Trans-Pacific Free Trade agreement; approving the environmentally devastating Keystone Pipeline; and imposing austerity and cuts to Social Security go through.

Wait 'til you see the headlines then."

Speculative outrage or worse than Jindal: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2603613

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
25. You can't prove it's Obama's policies making it worse! says ProSense.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 04:54 PM
Apr 2013

Naw, all the corporatist policies have nothing to do with it. It's MAGIC!





http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2603241

Incomes Flat in Recovery, but Not for the 1%
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014400736

Top 1% get 121% of income gains since 2009 (100% of new income + 21% from your old income)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022384139

U.S. corporate profits stronger than ever, workers' wages fallen to lowest-ever share of GDP (CNN)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021922334

U.S. Income Inequality Now Worse Than Many Latin American Countries
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022268073

Ranks of working poor increasing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022200197

Inequality Rages as Dwindling Wages Lock Millions in Poverty
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022198286

The Middle Class In America Is Being Wiped Out – Here Are 60 Facts That Prove It
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022144851

Child poverty rates increase unabated
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022268450

40 Percent of Americans Now Make Less than 1968 Minimum Wage
http://www.democraticunderground.com/111631016

Corporate Profits Have Grown By 171 Percent Under ‘Anti-Business’ Obama
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014372334

US poverty on track to reach 46-year high; suburbs, underemployed workers, children hit hard
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002998131

Poverty, hunger among retirees increasing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002748342

The Economy is "Recovering" By Creating More Low-Wage Jobs... Increasingly Filled By Graduates
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022602162

"Recovery" in US is lifting profits, but not adding jobs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014414149

Obama to use pension funds of ordinary Americans to pay for bank mortgage settlements
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002205218

What Recovery? Across America, People in Distressed Cities and Small Towns Face Economic Catastrophe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022545596

Real wages decline; literally no one notices
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11172387

Wall Street Soars with Wealth as Wages Stagnate, Jobs Remain in a Slump
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12526154

Wages for bottom 90% declined 1.2% during 2009-2011 recovery, top 1% income grew 8.2%
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022271466

Three Minimum Wage Jobs Needed To Afford Two-Bedroom Apartment
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022578738

Wages have fallen to a record low as a share of America’s gross domestic product.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022183930


ProSense

(116,464 posts)
26. I take it
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 05:03 PM
Apr 2013

"You can't prove it's Obama's policies making it worse! says ProSense. Naw, all the corporatist policies have nothing to do with it. It's MAGIC!

...all you have is sarcasm at this point.

Did removing the banks for federal student loans make it "worse": http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022557183

Did the health care law make it "worse":

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022584523
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022602134

There is evidence of the direct and positive impact of the President's policies: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022584523

OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
69. I take it that you're a glass half empty type of person....
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:56 PM
Apr 2013

....or perhaps your glass is completely bone dry.

But, hey, that's okay....to each their own.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
19. There are many areas of the economy that are recovering.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:27 PM
Apr 2013

There are many areas of the economy that are in shambles. The problem as I see it is that we have taken the same approach as in the past, overlooking vulnerabilities, all while continuing to promote trickle down economics. Or economy has systemic problems that are not being addressed. These are problems, when once tackled, will still take decades to show results. For that reason, politicians are not willing to do anything about them. Without rapid results, it is useless in helping them to get elected in the next cycle. Please don't find such pleasure in Reaganomics.

PennsylvaniaMatt

(966 posts)
24. I remember reading an article right after the election...
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 04:49 PM
Apr 2013

With interviews from financial analysts talking about how many of their wealthy conservative clients were frantically calling and asking what to do with their money, convinced that imminent economic doom was certain, and how the actual financial analysts had to try and calm them down!

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
28. This looks pretty good to me...Forward.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 05:47 PM
Apr 2013




Bikini Graph time! Unemployment rate falls, jobs added. “All Congress has to do is stop punishing the country on purpose.”

http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/tag/bikini-graph/

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
29. Yeah, all those temporary, low-wage, no-benefit "McJobs" are really something!
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 06:09 PM
Apr 2013



Fed's Raskin bemoans low-wage nature of jobs recovery
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/51288051/ns/business-careers/t/feds-raskin-bemoans-low-wage-nature-jobs-recovery/#.UVtVRmt5mSM



© Kevin Lamarque / Reuters
updated 3/22/2013 9:18:14 AM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Too much of the recent growth in employment has been concentrated in low-wage and temporary jobs, leaving the recovery on shaky ground, a top Federal Reserve official said on Friday.
....
Pointing to a sharp post-recession rise in poverty, a subject not often the focus of speeches by Fed officials, Raskin also argued the rise of temporary employment, which she said is approaching a record, was further widening an already large gap between rich and poor Americans.

"Our country cannot achieve prosperity without addressing the powerful undertow created by flat wages and tenuous financial security for so many millions of Americans," Raskin said in prepared remarks to the National Community Reinvestment Coalition's annual conference...."Government policymakers need to focus seriously on (these) problems, not simply because of notions of fairness and justice, because the economy's ability to produce a stable quality of living for millions of people is at stake," she said.

The economy generated 236,000 jobs in February, bringing the jobless rate down to 7.7 percent from 7.9 percent. Still, total employment is still many hundreds of thousands of jobs short of its pre-recession levels, even before accounting for population growth.


Face it. We have been, and are being restructured into a different type of economy according to the designs of the corporatists who benefit from this restructuring. They are booming. They are globalizing. They are rolling in profit. They want us to get used to living at a standard closer to the rest of their global workforce. They don't consider the impoverishment and lower standard of living for millions of Americans a crisis. There is no urgency, no clarion calls to fix the massive transfer of wealth from us to them with legislation. On the contrary, they are focused on *cutting* the safety nets.

And the Trans-Pacific is the next big step...

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
30. From your link
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 06:27 PM
Apr 2013
Raskin acknowledged progress was slow, but said the policy was having a positive effect.

"Both anecdotal evidence and a wide range of economic indicators show that these attempts are working to strengthen the recovery and that the labor market is improving," she said.

Did you mean to post this article?




woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
31. Keep trying.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 06:36 PM
Apr 2013

The article is there for anyone to read, Prosense, so cherry picking a line in an attempt to change the *Main Idea* isn't going to be effective for people who are capable of reading comprehension.

And also capable of reading the statistics about what types of jobs these are, and the poverty they continue to breed.

Will you be cheering the Trans-Pacific, too?

It's *such* a clever PR move, to mock and deny the pain that millions of real people are enduring as a result of corporate betrayal after betrayal by Democrats.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
32. Are you
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 06:39 PM
Apr 2013

"Keep trying.

The article is there for anyone to read, Prosense, so cherry picking a line in an attempt to change the *Main Idea* isn't going to be effective for people who are capable of reading comprehension."

...trying to deny that Raskin said the economy is slowly improving?

Raskin acknowledged progress was slow, but said the policy was having a positive effect.

"Both anecdotal evidence and a wide range of economic indicators show that these attempts are working to strengthen the recovery and that the labor market is improving," she said.

You posted the article. Did you want people to ignore that part of it?

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
34. Only as much as you want people to ignore
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 06:54 PM
Apr 2013

the Main Idea here, which is:

declining wages,
more temporary, benefit-less employment,
and massively increasing poverty
,

despite a slightly higher number of jobs.

Again, what we are dealing with here is a corporate restructuring of our economy, not a recovery. And the Trans-Pacific is the next big step...

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
36. Here's the problem
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 07:01 PM
Apr 2013

"Again, what we are dealing with here is a corporate restructuring of our economy, not a recovery. And the Trans-Pacific is the next big step... "

...You are trying to attribute the problem to the administration's policies. The article is about the concerns Raskin has about the type of jobs being created, but she goes on to say that the policies put in place are helping.

<...>

Sarah Raskin, a member of the Fed's board of governors, said monetary policymakers are doing all they can to promote stronger economic growth and beef up hiring, and cited improving labor market conditions. But she added interest rates are a blunt tool that cannot help direct the types of jobs that are created, noting one quarter of workers are now considered low-wage.

<...>

Raskin acknowledged progress was slow, but said the policy was having a positive effect.

"Both anecdotal evidence and a wide range of economic indicators show that these attempts are working to strengthen the recovery and that the labor market is improving," she said.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
39. No, they aren't. Not for the 99 percent.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 07:31 PM
Apr 2013

As usual, ProSense, your laser focus is on protecting Obama at all costs. In that pursuit, you cherry pick the broad and economically vague statement of a representative of the FED, and you twist its meaning to misrepresent what the data actually show:

"Both anecdotal evidence and a wide range of economic indicators show that these attempts are working to strengthen the recovery and that the labor market is improving."


Of course some economic indicators are up. The one percent and the stock market are booming. Of course there are some more jobs. But who is reaping the benefits? THAT's the point here. The wealth gap between the 99 percent and the one percent is INCREASING. The 99 percent are getting POORER.

See the problem? In this "recovery," even as economic indicators like the stock market improve and more jobs become available, the 99 percent are suffering MORE.

That, quite simply, is the difference between a recovery and a restructuring. And we will doubtless see even more joy in the economic indicators for the one percent, and even more devastating pain for the 99 percent, when Obama's coveted Trans-Pacific Free Trade Agreement is added to the ugly recipe.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
33. "Keep trying." OK
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 06:43 PM
Apr 2013

"It's *such* a clever PR move, to mock and deny the pain that millions of real people are enduring as a result of corporate betrayal after betrayal by Democrats. "

Maybe you could add these to your wall of "blue links":

Raise That Wage

By PAUL KRUGMAN

President Obama laid out a number of good ideas in his State of the Union address. Unfortunately, almost all of them would require spending money — and given Republican control of the House of Representatives, it’s hard to imagine that happening.

One major proposal, however, wouldn’t involve budget outlays: the president’s call for a rise in the minimum wage from $7.25 an hour to $9, with subsequent increases in line with inflation. The question we need to ask is: Would this be good policy? And the answer, perhaps surprisingly, is a clear yes....the current level of the minimum wage is very low by any reasonable standard. For about four decades, increases in the minimum wage have consistently fallen behind inflation, so that in real terms the minimum wage is substantially lower than it was in the 1960s. Meanwhile, worker productivity has doubled. Isn’t it time for a raise?

Now, you might argue that even if the current minimum wage seems low, raising it would cost jobs. But there’s evidence on that question — lots and lots of evidence, because the minimum wage is one of the most studied issues in all of economics. U.S. experience, it turns out, offers many “natural experiments” here, in which one state raises its minimum wage while others do not. And while there are dissenters, as there always are, the great preponderance of the evidence from these natural experiments points to little if any negative effect of minimum wage increases on employment.

<...>

So Mr. Obama’s wage proposal is good economics. It’s also good politics: a wage increase is supported by an overwhelming majority of voters, including a strong majority of self-identified Republican women (but not men). Yet G.O.P. leaders in Congress are opposed to any rise. Why? They say that they’re concerned about the people who might lose their jobs, never mind the evidence that this won’t actually happen. But this isn’t credible...today’s Republican leaders clearly feel disdain for low-wage workers. Bear in mind that such workers, even if they work full time, by and large don’t pay income taxes (although they pay plenty in payroll and sales taxes), while they may receive benefits like Medicaid and food stamps. And you know what this makes them, in the eyes of the G.O.P.: “takers,” members of the contemptible 47 percent who, as Mitt Romney said to nods of approval, won’t take responsibility for their own lives.

- more -

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/18/opinion/krugman-raise-that-wage.html


Obama Administration Aims To Fix Loophole Letting Home Health Workers Make Less Than Minimum Wage
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022403409

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
35. Yes, let's raise the minimum wage by a dollar and 75 cents,
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 06:56 PM
Apr 2013

while pushing the Trans-Pacific.

That will fix everything.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
38. Seriously?
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 07:04 PM
Apr 2013

"Yes, let's raise the minimum wage by a dollar and 75 cents, while pushing the Trans-Pacific.

That will fix everything."

Are you against raising the minimum wage and ensuring that some workers aren't paid below minimum wage or are you pissed that the President proposed these?




woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
42. Because you are playing dumb, I will be crystal clear.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 07:37 PM
Apr 2013

I am in favor of raising the minimum wage, by a hell of a lot more than that. But pretending that a raise of a buck seventy-five is going to amount to a hill of beans while he is ALSO enacting the most job- and wage-devastating massive free trade agreement that we have seen yet in this country is just inane.

It is like praising yourself for giving a child a quarter, while you are simultaneously bulldozing his house and crippling his parents so they can't work anymore.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
43. Because you don't
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 07:53 PM
Apr 2013
Because you are playing dumb, I will be crystal clear.

I am in favor of raising the minimum wage, by a hell of a lot more than that. But pretending that a raise of a buck seventy-five is going to amount to a hill of beans while he is ALSO enacting the most job- and wage-devastating massive free trade agreement that we have seen yet in this country is just inane.

It is like praising yourself for giving a child a quarter, while you are simultaneously bulldozing his house and crippling his parents so they can't work anymore.


...know what you're talking about, let me present some facts:

<...>

The one genuinely encouraging piece of news in the February employment data is an uptick in wage growth. Over the last three months, average hourly earnings rose at a 2.85% annual rate, compared to the prior three months. If this continues, it would imply that workers are actually seeing real wage gains. Unfortunately, this increase was likely driven by some state minimum wage hikes, and by the sort of random movements that causes these data to fluctuate erratically. But this is an item that the optimists can look to for hope.

- more -

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/08/us-unemployment-rate-shortlived-low


This is why increasing the federal minimum wage is important
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022482684

It really takes a special kind of cluelessness and callousness to believe the raising the minimum wage by $1.75, a little over 25 percent, the equivalent of $60 to $65 per week for each worker, is insignificant.

No one who wants to see the minimum wage increase would reject a bigger increase, but don't pretend that you're just looking out for minimum wage workers by scoffing at such an increase under the guise of speculative bullshit about trade agreements.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
48. Let me repeat my point. Perhaps you can try again:
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:14 PM
Apr 2013
42. Because you are playing dumb, I will be crystal clear.

I am in favor of raising the minimum wage, by a hell of a lot more than that. But pretending that a raise of a buck seventy-five is going to amount to a hill of beans while he is ALSO enacting the most job- and wage-devastating massive free trade agreement that we have seen yet in this country is just inane.

It is like praising yourself for giving a child a quarter, while you are simultaneously bulldozing his house and crippling his parents so they can't work anymore.


The whole record matters, ProSense, and the overwhelming direction of this President's policies is clear. Your "rebuttal" is absurd.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
49. OK,
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:16 PM
Apr 2013
Let me repeat my point. Perhaps you can try again:

42. Because you are playing dumb, I will be crystal clear.

I am in favor of raising the minimum wage, by a hell of a lot more than that. But pretending that a raise of a buck seventy-five is going to amount to a hill of beans while he is ALSO enacting the most job- and wage-devastating massive free trade agreement that we have seen yet in this country is just inane.

It is like praising yourself for giving a child a quarter, while you are simultaneously bulldozing his house and crippling his parents so they can't work anymore.

The whole record matters, ProSense, and the overwhelming direction of this President's policies is clear. Your "rebuttal" is absurd.


...I'll repeat my response:

Because you don't know what you're talking about, let me present some facts:

<...>

The one genuinely encouraging piece of news in the February employment data is an uptick in wage growth. Over the last three months, average hourly earnings rose at a 2.85% annual rate, compared to the prior three months. If this continues, it would imply that workers are actually seeing real wage gains. Unfortunately, this increase was likely driven by some state minimum wage hikes, and by the sort of random movements that causes these data to fluctuate erratically. But this is an item that the optimists can look to for hope.

- more -

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/08/us-unemployment-rate-shortlived-low


This is why increasing the federal minimum wage is important
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022482684

It really takes a special kind of cluelessness and callousness to believe the raising the minimum wage by $1.75, a little over 25 percent, the equivalent of $60 to $65 per week for each worker, is insignificant.

No one who wants to see the minimum wage increase would reject a bigger increase, but don't pretend that you're just looking out for minimum wage workers by scoffing at such an increase under the guise of speculative bullshit about trade agreements.

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
37. What I do not understand, woo me with science,
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 07:03 PM
Apr 2013

You seem to me IMHO, to lay all the blame, squarely at the Presidents feet.


How does he do this:

"Government policymakers need to focus seriously on (these) problems, not simply because of notions of fairness and justice, because the economy's ability to produce a stable quality of living for millions of people is at stake," she said.


alone?

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
44. ROFL!
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:01 PM
Apr 2013

Are we back to blaming it all on Republicans? It's because of obstructionism?

Sheshe2, this circular game gets so old. First, it is charming, but silly, of you to pretend that you don't read my posts. I see you in all the same threads, so surely you have noticed my saying repeatedly that the problem is bipartisan. Not *just* Obama. Bipartisan.

Our problem is not that Republicans don't advance predatory policies anymore, but that Democrats are now purchased by corporate money, too, and have joined the game. They no longer fulfill their traditional role of being the only ones standing between Americans and these policies, and they are instead colluding for their shared corporate Masters.

Spare us the fantasy that Obama is a secret progressive who is merely being forced into a corporate agenda. Seriously. Don't make me cut and paste again the lengthy lists of his crony corporate appointments, his advocacy of the Trans-Pacific, his enthusiasm for austerity budgets and cutting Social Security and Medicare, his laissez-faire approach to the big banks, etc., etc., etc.

No, the problem is not Republican obstructionism. We have been all through that, and it is tired...

Seriously, let's stop pretending. It gets so old. Let's be honest about his description of himself as essentially a Republican, and let's not pretend, absurdly, that he secretly opposes and is being forced into corporatist policies he has acknowledged publicly that he supports. Are you going to cheer the Trans-Pacific, too?

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
47. "No, the problem is not Republican obstructionism."
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:10 PM
Apr 2013
Are we back to blaming it all on Republicans? It's because of obstructionism? ...Our problem is not that Republicans don't advance predatory policies anymore, but that Democrats are now purchased by corporate money, too, and have joined the game. ...No, the problem is not Republican obstructionism. We have been all through that, and it is tired...

Why are you always defending Republicans?

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
50. Ah, the perfect place to end this exchange:
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:21 PM
Apr 2013

with a quintessential ProSense retort.

That pretty much sums up the level of maturity, integrity, and seriousness of your advertisements.


ProSense

(116,464 posts)
52. It was
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:26 PM
Apr 2013

"Ah, the perfect place to end this exchange: with a quintessential ProSense retort. "

...was a serious question in response to this (http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2605195) :

Are we back to blaming it all on Republicans? It's because of obstructionism? ...Our problem is not that Republicans don't advance predatory policies anymore, but that Democrats are now purchased by corporate money, too, and have joined the game. ...No, the problem is not Republican obstructionism. We have been all through that, and it is tired...

So, why are you always defending Republicans?

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
59. your
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:50 PM
Apr 2013

"Refusing to rationalize Democratic complicity is not "defending Republicans""

... reframe has nothing to do with the poster's actually comments (http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2605195 ), which do includea defense of Republicans:

Are we back to blaming it all on Republicans? It's because of obstructionism? ...Our problem is not that Republicans don't advance predatory policies anymore, but that Democrats are now purchased by corporate money, too, and have joined the game. ...No, the problem is not Republican obstructionism. We have been all through that, and it is tired...

So, why are you always defending Republicans?



sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
55. So glad I was able to make you laugh!
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:43 PM
Apr 2013

"Are we back to blaming it all on the repubs."

You say you do not, however the majority of the blame, you drop at Obama's feet. Sure I have been on the same threads as you, do I hang by every word you say, sorry no. I spend more time reading the rebuttal that ProSense comes up with.

She refutes your case every time.

I have not once heard you call out one Republican. The Obstructionist's.

So in order to give Reince an assist, I thought I'd break it down for him. I had to look no further than a telling quote from Senator Lindsay Graham.
Anytime you challenge the president, Obama, it’s good politics.


This was recently highlighted in a story flagged by Jonathan Bernstein. It has to do with why Rep. Mike Kelly (R-PA) never got around to writing a bill about loan guarantees to clean energy companies...he got distracted.
“It was a priority, and it remains an issue of interest. But Mike’s efforts shifted when he chose to focus more on holding the administration accountable with regards to [Operation] Fast and Furious. And then when the Benghazi tragedy occurred, that took the cake,” said Kelly’s spokesman, Tom Qualtere


Steve Benen - in commenting on this story - talks about the Republicans being "post-policy."
Mike Kelly couldn't even work on his own misguided-but-substantive idea because he and his party decided it didn't really matter -- they were more invested in pure politics, just positioning themselves vis-a-vis the president, and they weren't actually invested in any particular outcome for the country.


As Mark Schmitt explained years ago, that's where President Obama's conciliatory rhetoric as ruthless strategy comes in.
One way to deal with that kind of bad-faith opposition is to draw the person in, treat them as if they were operating in good faith, and draw them into a conversation about how they actually would solve the problem. If they have nothing, it shows. And that's not a tactic of bipartisan Washington idealists -- it's a hard-nosed tactic of community organizers, who are acutely aware of power and conflict.


Seriously, let's stop pretending, it get's old.

http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2013/04/my-post-mortem-on-republicans.html
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
40. The only disaster I see is the one he is trying to clean up
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 07:33 PM
Apr 2013

from the warmongering assholes that fled like vermin.

RAH RAH! Wall Street!

Such of importance to the working class...

Cha

(297,323 posts)
64. RepubliCONS want our Country to FAIL.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 09:05 PM
Apr 2013

It FAILS when they're in charge and they need it to FAIL Now that Pres Obama is in charge.

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
67. Yup they sure do!
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:07 PM
Apr 2013

They have no agenda, no brain and no heart.

It's, take this President down, whatever the cost to our Country. They have failed at making this man a one term President, however they are doing their best to destroy this Country! For Politics!

Shame on them!

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
68. Interestingly,
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:26 PM
Apr 2013

Wall Street is yet another group of people who vote against their interests, in addition to the rank-and-file Republicans. They know that the economy and corporate profits thrive when Democrats are in power, yet most of them vote Republican. Go figure...

bhikkhu

(10,718 posts)
66. Yup...things are looking pretty good in my region
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 09:17 PM
Apr 2013

For the most part, businesses are busier, jobs are easier to find, wages are up, construction is up, car sales are up, and home values are up.

You'd think it would be hard to find anything to complain about, but on the right pole, you have bitter gnashing of teeth about how the whole house of cards will collapse in a pile any moment, and then on the left pole you have bitter gnashing of teeth about...I don't even know what.

Obama said he'd agree to a different CPI if the repugs would agree to significant tax restructuring? Neither of which are happening, but it keeps teeth gnashing, which seems to be what its all about for some people.

Meanwhile, here's another couple to add to the list:

http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/01/st_essay-insourcing/

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/12/the-insourcing-boom/309166/.

The cheap labor that made free trade and outsourcing synonymous is no longer nearly as cheap, and a bunch of that is coming back.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
70. After reading through this thread ...
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 11:39 PM
Apr 2013

I feel compelled to recount a lesson I was recently taught.

On a monthly basis, the members of my Fraternity come together to perform some type of community service project. A couple of months ago, the project was serving in a local soup kitchen. As was normally the case, we are not the only organization performing some community service; usually, there are a dozen or so people that are in no immediate need of the kitchen's services volunteering ... generally, it's a bunch of us fairly affluent, professional class, week-end warriors. And as usual, us week-end warrior volunteers ended up talking about the social conditions that create such a pressing need for the kitchen's services.

This particular time was shortly after the debt ceiling negotiation "deal." And like here on DU, one of the "Progressive" (his descriptor) volunteers was going on and on about what a terrible "deal" it was because "the rich got so much, while the poor got nothing." Whenever anyone cited to anything in the deal that benefitted the working class and the poor, it didn't matter, because the wealthy got so much more.

As the conversation wound down, a patron of the soup kitchen looked at us and kind of laughed ... so I invited him into the conversation. I asked him point blank what he thought about our discussion. His comment taught me a valuable lesson and helped me frame my thoughts on the state of the economy and the political solutions seen so far. He said:

All this shit is academic to y'all; but understand something ... I don't have a job. I'm homeless. I live on the street. I get a full meal, maybe, once or twice a week ... But when I do, I don't give a fuck who else eats!


I thought about what he was saying and I think that his comment is a perfect example of the schism on this thread ... The OP points out that "more people are eating" (so to speak), and others are arguing, "yeah, but others are getting more."

While the goal is to close the inequity gap between the wealthy and poor; the first step is to shore up the poor, even if that means giving the wealthy more.
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