If Trump were to win election, would you accept him as a legitimate President?

[kentuck]

Would you accept as your President a criminal defendant with 91 charges against him? Sooner or later, he must stop saying he is the "victim".

Would you accept someone who stole military secrets and incited insurrection against our country? And has spoken out against the Constitution which defines our very being as a nation.

Do you think that guy would be a legitimate president?

I think the Republican Party needs to get its shit together. The people are not going to accept this criminal wannabe autocrat. Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it?

Personally, I could not accept him as the Leader of our Country. That is just one opinion.

If he were to win, it would be a most divisive and angry victory.

How that would manifest itself, I do not know.

[samplegirl]

1. No

The man should be behind bars.

[Goddessartist]

2. No.

He will not win! So mote it be!

[Bettie]

3. I don't know

that I could. I can not envision him winning legitimately. I really can't.

[Polybius]

76. I can

Two far-right leaders just won national elections in the past week, one in Argentina and one in The Netherlands.

[brooklynite]

4. Apparently we have different definitions of "legitimate"

If he meets the eligibility requirements and is elected within the format of our Constitutional system he's a legitimate President. What I think about him personally is irrelevant.

[kentuck]

6. Irrelevant to you. But not irrelevant to many others.

Would be my guess.

[brooklynite]

7. How others think is also irrelevant.

As President he can appoint officials, nominate Judges and implement national policies that you'll have to live with, whether you recognize his authority or not.

[kentuck]

8. And that is OK with you?

What kind of country would we be defending?

Que Sera, Sera?

[brooklynite]

9. Whether its "OK" or not is equally irrelevant.

It is.

I deal with reality, not hopes and dreams.

[kentuck]

10. Like I said...

That is one opinion. I suppose the same would apply to you?

[brooklynite]

11. It is an opinion and I chose to express another.

If the point was to have everyone agree that we hate Trump, that should have been clearer.

[kentuck]

19. The point is that it could be a divisive and potentially violent election.

And people will take sides, be it wise or not.

In my opinion, some will not be agreeable to accepting whatever happens as "legitimate". I personally could not accept Trump as "my president". And whether he wins by hook or crook, is irrelevant to me. I am almost certain the other side feels the same way about Joe Biden.

As an added point, when did it become acceptable to threaten prosecutors and officers of the court and anyone except witnesses in a possible trial?

It seems to me it should be illegal to threaten anybody?

Should the 14th Amendment be taken literally?

It's almost as if the Justice System itself is on trial?

[PJMcK]

20. I'm with brooklynite on this

Whether or not I personally accept Trump as a legitimate president is irrelevant. Consider the dead-enders who don’t “accept” President Biden’s legitimacy. They have next to no influence in the policies and actions taken by the President.

Were Trump re-elected— an unthinkable tragedy!— he would hold the office and I assure you, he won’t give a damn what anyone else thinks. His “legitimacy” would be the least of our concerns.

If that calamity occurs, we’ll probably move overseas.

[kentuck]

24. It reminds me of the often quoted line....

First, they came for the communists....

When do people make a stand?

[tritsofme]

67. Other than conventional political opposition, what would you suggest constitutes "taking a stand"?

Are you advocating for Democrats run their own J6? I know we saw a OP to that affect earlier this week. Just trying to understand your suggestion.

[brush]

114. Exactly. trump already promised to round up immigrants, pen them in camps..

before exporting them. I doubt it'll be long before he gets around to progressives and others on the left. I'm pretty sure the extreme maga zealots keep tabs on left-leaning web sites, including DU.

He's also said he'd jail top military officers and to execute Gen. Milley specifically.

Once the executions start, who knows when their blood lust will be satisfied with Steven Miller playing the role of Robespierre (who eventually got it himself IIRC).

[Ms. Toad]

144. Seriously?

Either we believe in the rule of law, or we don't. I want nothing to do with those who reject the rule of law - regardless of whether they support or oppose trump.

Your arguments sound like the arguments of those charged in Georgia, who still refuse to recognize the legitimacy of Biden's win.

[NJCher]

51. your favorite reason for

your unpopular opinions which nearly always lack nuance.

Never mind the fact that no one can agree on what "reality" is, so it's your opinion of reality.

[brooklynite]

62. I've been here 20+ years and my opinions are frequently "unpopular"...

...they are, however, grounded in political reality, rather than community orthodoxy.

If Trump is duly elected, Majority Leader Schumer and Speaker Jeffries will do what then can to counter his actions, but they won't claim he's "illegitimate".

[Polybius]

83. If Trump's elected, Schumer almost certainly won't be Majority Leader

We're already 99.99% gonna be down a Senate seat in WV. If Trump wins, he likely pushes at least one or two more.

[Bettie]

99. Some people have the resources to

relocate if it turns really bad and the connections/wealth to thrive no matter who is in charge.

[Patton French]

135. Clearly not a popular statement

But, as repulsive as it is, it’s accurate.

[Ferrets are Cool]

5. I prefer not to speculate over something that is not going to happen.

[brooklynite]

12. Assuming Trump can't get elected is dangerously naive.

[womanofthehills]

48. Especially since there are so many independents running

Polls that include independents are concerning.

[PJMcK]

21. That's a precarious position

In 2016, I was convinced there was no way Trump could win

I’ve learned my lesson.

[Ferrets are Cool]

97. There's only about a third of 'Mericans who are stupid enough to vote for him again.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

107. That's all he needs.

Thu Nov 16, 2023: The most popular choice in 2016 was "did not vote," with

471 electoral college votes. Clinton would have come in a distant second, with 51 electoral college votes, and Trump an even more distant third, with 16 electoral college votes, carrying only Iowa and Wisconsin.



Source: https://brilliantmaps.com/did-not-vote/

[BlueTsunami2018]

13. I didn't accept him last time, yet there he was being President.

So it doesn’t matter if he’s accepted or not, he would be the President.

Half the people didn’t accept President Obama as legitimate, half didn’t accept W. They were still the President.

[womanofthehills]

49. The Republicans I know, can't stop talking about Obama to this day

He is a Republican obsession.

[Mariana]

125. Some of them still fantasize that any day now

someone will finally prove that he wasn't eligible to be President, and then all of his eight years in office will somehow be reversed.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

14. NO way, Jose!

[onenote]

15. Constitutionally, he would be the "legitimate" president.

Do those that say they won't accept him as a "legitimate president" intend to file lawsuits challenging his election? File lawsuits challenging every action he takes? Refuse to obey any law he signs, orders issued by judges or agencies he appoints?

Not sure I understand the point of the question.

[brush]

117. Actually, Constitutionally he should not even be on a ballot according to the 14 Amendment...

Sec. 3 but we're lacking judges who have the guts to enforce it, as what just happened in Colorado.

[spanone]

16. I didn't the first time.

[betsuni]

17. If "The People" choose not to vote, vote third party or for Trump, of course he's the legitimate president.

[Charging Triceratops]

18. NO!

The ONLY way he has a chance of winning is through the asinine Electoral College system, which is a total fraud.

[brooklynite]

79. Its not a fraud because it was approved by the Constitiutional Convention

You can also claim that its "illegitimate", but its the process we follow until someone changes the Constitution.

[milestogo]

22. What is the alternative?

When he won in 2016 people marched around saying "not my president". It didn't change anything.

[LymphocyteLover]

23. if he won a resounding victory including the popular vote

but that's not going to happen. It just won't

[if..fish..had..wings]

25. Of course

However, "legitimate" is a Republican word. The person who got the most votes is, simply, the President.











Oh, I would also hang myself.

[NJCher]

57. --

[chouchou]

26. In the same way as Taylor Swift is a great classical musician.

[brush]

118. Hey, don't knock Taylor Swift. She's a staunch progressive, and incidentally one of the most powerful...

ones in the nation as witnessed by her recent exhortation to her millions of social media followers to register to vote. And thousands did.

Be glad she's on our side.

[chouchou]

123. Not knocking her.

She's a popular brand and that's fine.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

124. Totally agree.

Travis Kelce has bad hair but he and Taylor together are heartwarming. IMO.

Plus she gets her fans MOTIVATED to vote!

She's awesome.

[Ponietz]

27. I'd prefer the gulag

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Some here have a too narrow definition of “lawful “ or “legitimate.” Myopically focusing on the election result ignores that the very foundations of our criminal justice system were undermined to permit it.

I OWE NO ALLEGIANCE TO THAT.

[Zambero]

28. I would have to question this

Whether the U.S. is still a legitimate democracy.

[kentuck]

33. Exactly!

Thanks for that recognition.

[brush]

119. Yes, wannabe dictator trump has already promised retribution. That means us on the left.

[tavernier]

29. Only if he were to win a legitimate election

which is very uncertain. But if that was the case, yes, I would have to. There’s an old saying that people get the leadership they deserve, so perhaps our country needs a little dose of what it deserves before it can fix itself.

[Raven]

35. I'm with you. As horrible as that would be, if the election was legitmate, I

feel I would have to accept it because, after all, that is what we have stood for. So, I would grieve for the US and probably start packing my bags.

[Polybius]

86. What if he were to lose the popular vote again, but win the EC?

Would you count that as winning legitimately?

[tritsofme]

91. Of course it would be legally legitimate. Kind of a strange question.

[Polybius]

94. I agree with you

I just wanted to see if you would count it, not if it was legally legitimate.

[tritsofme]

109. I don't keep two sets of books.

It would be extremely frustrating, but it is still winning under the rules.

[tavernier]

104. No

We already know that they cheat on that and admit it

[EX500rider]

136. Not the 1st time

There have been four elections in which the person elected president won the electoral vote, but lost the popular vote (1876, 1888, 2000, and 2016)

[Polybius]

138. Actually, 5 times counting 1824

Did someone say it was only once? I'm not seeing that post.

[EX500rider]

141. Were all those legitimate?

Then this case would be so also, the winner is who the EC picks.

[Polybius]

147. I agree

Yet some say an EC winner who loses the popuar vote is illegitimate. I completely disagree with them, that's why I asked the question.

[Shrek]

30. What are the critiera to confer legitimacy?

Other than 270 electoral votes?

Where can I find these criteria and who enumerated them?

[Ponietz]

42. Perhaps an intact criminal justice system?

All is lost without it.

[Demsrule86]

31. He won't win but no. He is an insurrectionists and plans to kill his enemies IHMO.

[womanofthehills]

55. How is Biden going to win Michigan at this point?

Can we win without Michigan??
Just asking!!

NPR - In Michigan, where every vote counts, Arab Americans are turning away from Biden

https://www.npr.org/2023/11/17/1213668804/arab-americans-michigan-voters-biden-israel-hamas-palestinians

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

98. He can win it by being Not the Fascist Guy

It's a year out. Panicking and predicting the end of the world based on iffy polls at this point makes zero sense.

[Ritabert]

32. Heck no

[Voltaire2]

34. nope.

[KPN]

36. I was appalled that he was in the White House the first time and

will be equally if not more so should he win in 2024. I never viewed him as a legitimate President the last time, but did not have a choice beyond my vote in 2016. I’m afraid the same is true for 2024. There is no option.

[lees1975]

37. No. Not if he is convicted of even one charge.

I would hope that we have some judges who are willing to enforce the law, since he has been found guilty of insurrection, and prevent his name from appearing on the ballot, disqualifying his candidacy. Clearly, Republicans do not have the integrity or the character to stand up for what is right, so every possible effort must be made to make sure that as many of them are defeated as possible.

Quit playing games. Enforce the law.

But, I doubt we'll have to worry about this. He is NOT going to be elected.

[a kennedy]

38. OH HELL NO. 🤬 🤬 🤬

[Chainfire]

39. There is a lot of nasty things we would have to learn to accept.

The first on the list being that Democrats and progressives in general have become inconsequential. We would have to accept a single party system of government going forward. We would have to accept that the law and justice were two separate concepts, and that law enforcement is based on a sliding scale based on the wealth and power of the individual. We would have to accept that as a group, we were in danger for our heresy for denying the new President of the proper reverence; past and present. We would have to accept an acceleration of the transfer of wealth from the workers to the wealthy. We would have to learn to accept policies like, Night and Fog, punishment without trial and forced relocations. We would have to accept concentration camps and mass executions, persecution of women and minorities, death sentences for those who's sexual preference did not fit the new standards. We would have to accept a new national policy of forced religions; those religions that the government approved.

Trump, and his far-right friends, have told us what their goals are and we damn well better believe them.

[bluestarone]

40. OK, i hate that bastard, probably MORE than anyone here. Now, IF and i say IF again he's elected LEGITIMATELY, then

I, as an American citizen have got to accept it. Now, if i see him start to commit to the things he says he WILL do, i got to look further at how to stop his BULLSHIT. Cross that bridge when we get to it.

[GreenEyedLefty]

41. If he were duly elected, he would be the president we richly deserve.

Because he can only become president when good people fail to turn out to vote, vote third party, vote for a phony write in, or some other bullshit.

If he becomes president, we only have ourselves to blame.

[brush]

121. Absolutely. The nation will get what it deserves. And it deserve way better than that...

bloviating, near-senile, wannabe dictator criminal insurrectionist. You'd think the magats even could do better.

[doc03]

43. I didn't accept him as the legitimate president

in 2016.

[DemocratInPa]

44. If Trump wins..

I would start to really question the Democratic Party and it's leadership..

This election should not be close and if Trump wins it means Dems stayed home on Election Day which means the Dems messaging was awful.

If Trump does win and it's a fair election, I just don't know how anyone can not accept him as President as sad as it sounds. Remember how mad we got when Repubs did this to Biden in 2020.

[Aristus]

45. Well, I wouldn't murder Capitol police,

or smear shit on the walls of the Capitol Building, if that’s what you’re asking.

I’m an American citizen and patriot, not a red state traitor. I managed to get through four years of Trump’s one and only term without breaking any laws, or even any civic ordinances.

I could probably do it again, but God willing, we won’t be forced to go through that horror a second time.

[Dan]

46. Not for any of the reasons you provided.

But, because he has threatened my life and freedom.

[sinkingfeeling]

47. No, but I'll have a nice little house for sale in Illinois.

[Maeve]

50. I would seriously consider leaving the country

Put the house on the market, up and leave. It wouldn't be my country anymore, not the democracy it has tried to be, not a place I can give allegiance to. And not a community I'd want to belong to.

That said, I believe we won't go down that path. I still have faith in the justice system and in my fellow Americans (especially the younger generations).

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

52. LOL, is this some kind of trick question?? ZERO chance!!

[LiberalFighter]

53. We cannot afford the opportunity to be president.

[FelineOverlord]

54. NEVER

I will NEVER accept him in power ever again.

[Army Brat]

56. It doesn't matter whether you accept him or not

That's really just rhetoric on the part of a president's opponents

[Enoki33]

58. Because there is nothing remotely

legitimate about tRump, l could never accept him as anything more than the head of a criminal organization and ruling junta. Self respect would dictate nothing more.

[RobertDevereaux]

59. I didn't in 2016 and I wouldn't in 2024.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

60. If wishes were horses, even beggars would ride.

On November 27, 2020, three weeks after he lost reelection, Trump sent a nomination to the Senate.

Sat Nov 28, 2020: One Nomination Sent to the Senate; November 27, 2020

[Rebl2]

61. NO

[prairierose]

63. No!

[Progressive dog]

64. Hopefully that's a bridge I never have to cross.

[totodeinhere]

65. I didn't accept him last time and I would not accept him this time.

However I doubt if he would care if I accept him or not. As long as he were inaugurated as president our country would be in big trouble whether I accepted him or not.

[onenote]

73. And how did not accepting him last time impact your actions?

Did you challenge his election as illegitimate? Did you challenge his appointments as ultra vires? Did you refuse to obey laws he signed or orders of agencies and courts with his appointees?

Or is not "accepting" as meaningless as it seems to be.

[kentuck]

78. Why do there have to be specific actions if you simply do not recognize his presidency?

Does that mean you have to lead a revolt against his "government"? Otherwise, it is nothing more than a statement and therefore, meaningless?

In a democracy, no one can govern without the consent of the governed.

[onenote]

102. If you don't "recognize" his presidency but obey the laws he signs and the decisions of his appointees

what does it mean to not "recognize" his presidency since you apparently are recognizing the legitimacy of the actions he takes as president.

Which is why not "recognizing" him as president is meaningless if one behaves as if the actions taken by him as president are legitimate.

[kentuck]

108. I would not recognize any of his actions as president as legitimate.

Perhaps I might be the only person in America that would think that way?

I would not support any violent means to overthrow him, such as attacking the Capitol or over-running the Secret Service at the White House.

I do not think words are meaningless.

[onenote]

111. So, if he signs a law, you will refuse to obey it? If a court hands down a decision, whether you agree or not,

you will refuse to abide by it?

If he signs an appropriations bill, you will refuse to have anything to do with the government agencies that are funded by that 'illegitimate" act?

[kentuck]

115. I would not support anarchy...

But I fear that is the direction we are headed.

In my opinion, if Trump were to win under these present conditions, the biggest loser would be the Democratic Party. If you cannot defend our democracy, what value are you?

[onenote]

116. If he's duly elected, and there are not valid constitutional or statutory grounds for challenging his election

I will defend our democracy by challenging and fighting, using the constitutional and statutory tools available, against specific actions he takes that threaten that democracy.

That's not refusing to accept him as president, it's opposing specific actions with which i disagree and have a basis for challenging.

[kentuck]

120. We should hope there would be constitutional and statutory tools available...

But that is an assumption, not a guarantee.

If he can beat the legal system on these charges presently against him, I doubt that further legal recourse would succeed.

In my opinion, there will be no second chances if we do not save democracy this time around.

[claudette]

80. I had zero respect for him

and have less now, if that is possible.

[kentuck]

82. You should have less respect now.

In 2016, he had not yet tried to overthrow an election or a coup, and had not stolen military secrets, etc, etc.

Much has happened since 2016.

[totodeinhere]

92. It did not affect my actions as much

as it affected my state of mind and my resolve to support his opponent when he ran for reelection.

[GuppyGal]

66. Yes and No nt

[North Shore Chicago]

68. I parrot

others who say I am more concerned about the 30% who wash his smelly, moldy feet.

[dmr]

69. NO!

Absolutely NOT!

And DU is one place I don't have to explain my answer.

[Prairie_Seagull]

70. Will not allow myself to even seriously ponder.

As we approach the election season for real, I suppose I will be able to kick the can no longer. Until then, I suppose I will remain passport prepared and blissfully ignorant.

[tritsofme]

71. If your answer is no, I'm curious what that means to you. Would you support a coup? Our own J6?

Or is this just some kind of fashion statement?

If he were to win by legitimate means, whether you or I “accept it” is completely meaningless.

[kentuck]

74. How can a traitorous, indicted criminal defendant be "legitimate means"?

I think he should be disqualified by the 14th Amendment. What was he doing for 187 minutes as the Capitol was being ransacked?

How can he be "legitimate"?

We see already that the law does not apply to him in the same way as you or I. There is nothing fair or "democratic" about an election with him on the ballot, in my opinion.

[tritsofme]

90. Ok, so if the courts disagree with you on disqualification, and he manages to win

My question still stands. Would you support a coup?

Or is “not accepting” just some sort of emotional reaction meant to signify your displeasure?

[kentuck]

100. Then, I think the "coup" that started in 2021 would be complete.

If he finds a way around 91 charges, then somewhere our democracy has failed.

As for "emotional reaction", I think that is where almost everyone is at this time. As to how it might manifest itself if he is declared the winner of the next election, I do not know.

However, I do think it would be the Democratic Party that would pay the political price.

[tritsofme]

105. So you would not support a coup in 2025? Just making sure.

[kentuck]

110. First of all, I do not think Democrats could organize a coup.

But I would support non-violent actions by all means necessary to stop his dictatorial and autocratic agenda.

If you do not have a democracy, why would you be voting for Democrats?

If Trump were to win, politics would not carry on as usual.

[Bayard]

72. What I am reading here,

Is the same thing MAGAts were saying about Biden's win.

How do we determine a, "legitimate," election anymore? I do think Democracy is lost if the orange sleazeball gets in the White House again.

[kentuck]

75. If "democracy is lost", then would that not make it illegitimate?

How can you lose your democracy in a fair and legitimate election?

[Bayard]

126. I should have phrased it better

Democracy is lost if trump is installed again, whether the election is legitimate or not. We suspect Putin gave him a lot of help last time, but there was no solid proof to prove it was an illegitimate election. There is solid proof that Biden won fair and square, but his minions refuse to believe it

[claudette]

77. No

Never did before and never will ever.

[Polybius]

81. Crazy situation: What if he's elected, and then the SC rules the 14th Amendment says he can't take office

Who should becomes President, Biden or his running mate?

[LudwigPastorius]

93. Trump's vice presidential running mate would become president.

[Polybius]

96. It's guesswork if it happens before the EC meets in December

It would be up to the SC, as there would be huge lawsuits everywhere.

[LudwigPastorius]

112. I guess your question was rhetorical then?

[Polybius]

122. I was asking opinions of what people think SHOULD happen in that event

Not what WILL happen, since that would be up to the SC. I think I'll do a topic on this.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218478735

[brush]

84. I would not accept the criminal insurrectionist as my president.

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If he does somehow steal another election there would be nothing to be done but wait for the round-up of progressives that's bound to come as I don't have the wherewithal to emigrate.

[David__77]

85. The politics of "acceptance" is unhelpful.

One need not “concede” or “accept” anything at all. On the other hand, if someone breaks a specific law, they can be prosecuted.

[BigDemVoter]

87. Absolutely not.

Not that my opinion matters, but he should not be eligible to even run again under any circumstance after having committed treason. I cannot accept a traitor as a 'legitimate' president.

[republianmushroom]

88. "legitimate", afraid not, but, as president, yes.

Sure wouldn't like it, but, that's the way it would be.
Paywall

Why are U.S. courts afraid of the 14th Amendment? Because it’s radical.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/24/us-courts-fear-14th-amendment-radical/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most

[LudwigPastorius]

89. If he wins, he's the lawful president according to the Constitution.

He will always be a criminal and a traitor in my eyes, but I only get one vote.

[Marthe48]

95. Did I accept bush over Gore?

bush over Kerry? traitor over Secretary Clinton?
No. No. No.

When the FBI went after the mafia in the 1960s, I rooted for the FBI. I was glad when the FBI and other law enforcement worked tirelessly to find proof and arrest the mafia leaders trying to take over city, state and national finance and governance. I think the criminals finally found the soft underbelly of our rule of law and are working their way up to choke this country to death.

I'm not interested in being led by criminals. This last year, I learned on a personal level that people lie if it benefits them and other people are willing to believe the lies. If having criminals in control will benefit a rwnj, they will be glad to not only accept criminals lies as true, but also prop up the big lies with all the little lies that help them make a reality they like better than what is true.

[Poiuyt]

101. Unfortunately, yes - if it was a free and fair election

But I would seriously question what had happened to America.

(Actually, I do that now).

[Kennah]

103. No, I would not accept him

His crimes are numerous, and his pursuit of chaos rivals that of Q and Lore (of ST TNG fame).

We don't, as voters, get election acceptance cards, but your question of how this would manifest is important.

Bottom line, I don't know. There are no doubt other scenarios, but broadly, I see two options.

1) The US devolves [further] into something resembling Gilead

2) The US devolves into inaction because mid-level bureaucrats in the civilian and military branches of government say no to Trump's attempt to overthrow Democracy

I'm about 50/50 on which way we go.

[LW1977]

106. Hell no!!

[SWBTATTReg]

113. NO. And the fact that he participated in an insurrection too, to overthrow or interrupt the doings of

Congress on 1/6 is more evidence of his insurrection, although I don't understand the Colorado judge's ruling, they are appealing this.

In any event, the numbers are against tRUMP winning again anyways. Sure, tRUMP got his crowd still, but the numbers of such people are shrinking by the day, as some of them leave in disgust.

And, a lot of people do remember what he was like during the four years he was here (which was not much, and he refused to acknowledge COVID, or do anything about it, so in short, he made it worse, and probably caused the deaths of more Americans then necessary.

The only thing I recall was that he gave himself a tax cut. That's it. He's in it for solely himself. Slimebag.

[Bludogdem]

127. Being of a half glass full mindset

And, If the hugely unlikely occurs and tfg gets to 270, then our democratic republic will manage. Won’t be easy but we’ll manage. I doubt there will be a republican Congress to provide support. We dealt with it once, we can do it again.

[marble falls]

128. I'm much more concerned about what happens if pigs begin to fly, that's much more likely than TFG redux.

[Bludogdem]

129. Well, he does

Have his own airplane.

[Trueblue1968]

130. No no no no ......a milliontimes no !!!!!!!!!!!

[liberalla]

131. No way.

[B.See]

132. HELL no.

[ecstatic]

133. We need to crawl over glass and do whatever it takes

To make sure that doesn't happen. I cannot go through that again. I won't go through that again.

I know it's going to be really tough haul because I talked to with quite a few idiots on Thanksgiving. I'm not talking about maggots either--I'm talking about women who should know better.

Between now and next spring, I am going to write a booklet that will be distributed to all my friends and family that will lay out every reason why trump and the republican party is dangerous and why we can't stay home next fall.

[gulliver]

134. Yep. I'd be the loyal opposition, but would support the flag and the system

We need to make sure Biden is elected, though. Trump is cracked. Say hello to chaos if he is reelected.

[Arazi]

137. Yes I'd accept it

Our country has enough brainwashed folks Id believe it if he won again. The numbers are too tight for me to hope they’re wrong. The fact is, he’s massively popular on the right.

Our chances to beat him rest on slim margins (that are being eroded daily by the economy doomers, the I/P bashers - Genocide Joe ffs?! - and those who are falling for R lies about Hunters business shenanigans).

So yes I believe in our election system but if he wins Id make plans to move out of the country. I don’t think we could save democracy here if he wins another term

[Model35mech]

139. I need the questionably credible SCOTUS to interpret 14th Amendment

before I can answer that, because that ruling would be critical in my analysis of his potential 'legitimacy', as well as that of the probable civil unrest which will follow his 'election'.

[ArnoldLayne]

140. No i would not.

[roamer65]

142. No.

I will support Michigan secession.

[Kaleva]

143. Yes because we don't have any choice.

Will we follow in the footsteps of the Magahats and believe that Biden is still President?

[vapor2]

145. NO AND HELL NO

[dai13sy]

146. No

[pfitz59]

148. no

i would join the protests which would certainly erupt nationwide.