The majority of Americans voted against DjT's election in 2016...

[Jrose]

... then again in 2020 and very likely, and hopefully, will again in 2024.

Regardless, DjT keeps trying to force himself upon us.

I would call this political rape.

[Walleye]

1. Absolutely rapey behavior, I've been saying that about a lot of the other Republicans in Washington

[MyNameIsJonas]

2. To be fair, a majority also voted against Hillary in 2016.

If Biden wins a majority, tho, in 2024, he'll be reelected.

I do not expect Trump to get a majority of support. His only path is potential Biden voters going third party.

[Farmer-Rick]

3. No, Hillary got more votes than Trump

He only won because of the electoral college.

I think she got almost 3 million more votes than Trump.

[Hugin]

6. Yep, that's absolutely correct. HRC won the popular vote. n/t

[MyNameIsJonas]

8. It's absolutely incorrect. Hillary won the popular vote with a plurality of support.

She did not win a majority of the vote.

In 2016, 52% of voters voted against Hillary.

[Hugin]

12. "Hillary Clinton Officially Wins Popular Vote by Nearly 2.9 Million"

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-officially-wins-popular-vote-29-million/story?id=44354341

Plus, many many more.

You are alone in your assertion against the facts.

[MyNameIsJonas]

13. You're confused.

She might have won the popular vote but she did not win a majority of the popular vote. She won 48% - which is not a majority.

Please review who's against facts. Thanks.

[Farmer-Rick]

14. No other candidate won as many votes as she did in 2016

She won 48% of all the votes as you stated. But other candidates did worse with Trump losing the popular vote by 2.1%, only getting 45.9%.

No candidate got 50% or more of the votes. If we had run off elections that would matter.

[lastlib]

26. Still not a *majority*.

A majority is anything OVER 50 percent. Anything less is at best a plurality. Yes, she was the leading vote-getter--but not a majority. I know, we're quibbling over semantics; but it would have mattered if a run-off had been required.

[Farmer-Rick]

27. Oh, yeah, I agree with you.

I wish we had run off elections. I think sometimes they are more fair.

[Hugin]

18. If you look at my original post on the subject I said HRC won the popular vote.

I am not into linguistic hair splitting or gaslighting as to why Trump lost the popular vote and was still installed as POTUS.

Have a nice day.

[MyNameIsJonas]

21. Go read my original post.

The one you replied to. You got confused and that's okay.

Instead of just owning your mistake, you've attempted to make me out as the wrong one, tho.

The OP said Trump lost the majority of the vote in 2016. I pointed out that a majority of voters also voted against Hillary in 2016. That is 100%, undeniably true.

You said I was incorrect by arguing a point I never made. I never said Hillary lost the popular vote. Never.

It was your mistake and your mistake alone.

[Hugin]

22. I didn't reply to you.

I replied to Farmer Rick.

[MyNameIsJonas]

31. You replied to a post that was incorrect by claiming they were correct.

You then double-downed on it when I proved my point. Just admit you misunderstood what was being talked about. It's not hard.

This post explained it perfectly and you still couldn't admit you were wrong:

https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18460977

The post you replied to with an affirmative by saying they were correct, made a completely inaccurate claim about me. I never said Hillary didn't win the popular vote. I said she didn't win a majority. They literally replied with "No..." that I was wrong and then argued a claim I never made.

You then inserted yourself into this by saying they were absolutely correct. No they weren't correct because I never said Hillary didn't win the popular vote. You two were arguing a point that was never made.

Just admit you were wrong and move on. Not hard. I never said Hillary didn't win the popular vote and your agreeing with the claim I was wrong, even though I wasn't, means you were wrong too.

[Farmer-Rick]

28. I wasn't arguing with you

I was trying to support your statement with some other numbers, worded a different way.

I agree with you. I also agree that there was a lack of a majority vote. Especially when you consider how many people don't vote.

But the way we have things today, with first past the gate post, not counting the electoral college, Hillary should have won that election. She had the most votes of any candidate. But alas......

[Hugin]

29. I was supporting what you said, FR.

[Farmer-Rick]

32. Yes, you were

And thanks.....

I guess that other poster made me think you thought I was arguing with you.

[Hugin]

34. It's pretty obvious...

That the poster in question is intending to disrupt and gaslight.

[MyNameIsJonas]

7. Hillary did not win a majority of the vote in 2016.

[Celerity]

9. Hillary got 2.9 million more votes than Trump, but won only 48.2% of the total vote

[Captain Zero]

15. Not so, Jonas

Hillary got millions of more popular votes then Orange Shitbag.

[inthewind21]

24. She did

But she and Trump weren't the only ones in the race. A majority requires one getting more than ALL of the others combined. That was NOT the case.

[BigmanPigman]

4. The Electoral College vs Popular vote

has screwed the Dems on many POTUS elections. My stress level is rising as I write this since this REALLY PISSES ME OFF!!!!!

[ITAL]

16. Not really "many"

In modern times, it's happened twice (2000 and 2016). Before that one has to go back to 1876. Again it favored Republicans, but both parties cheated so much back in that election no one can really be sure who should have won (not to mention the parties themselves had completely different makeups in 1876).

[inthewind21]

25. Incorrect

There have been 5.

https://www.history.com/news/presidents-electoral-college-popular-vote

[ITAL]

30. I said MODERN times

Which was two (2000 and 2016). That was the point I was trying to make that for any of us in living memory -- we'd only have two examples (of the EC favoring Republicans), which is not "many."

I did somehow stupidly forget the Harrison election, which still goes back over 100 years. Again the two parties were way different back then than now, so even though it helped the GOP at the time -- one really can't peg either party into modern contexts. If anything the Republicans of the 1890s would be closer to the Democrats of today, though neither party of back then really fits well as a comparison to modern day. Most of the important issues of the day don't translate well to now.

That's even more true with 1824 (again not modern), but just for the sake of argument -- both Adams and Jackson belonged to the same party (there really was only one party in that election, the Federalists had died off the the Whigs had yet to form), so it obviously didn't favor Republicans back then.

[Emile]

5. I been voting with the majority for some time.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

10. The most popular choice in 2016 was "did not vote," with 471 electoral college votes.

Clinton would have come in a distant second, with 51 electoral college votes, and Trump an even more distant third, with 16 electoral college votes, carrying only Iowa and Wisconsin.



Source: https://brilliantmaps.com/did-not-vote/

[Farmer-Rick]

17. Wow what a great link

Last edited Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:11 AM - Edit history (1)

44 percent of voters did Not vote. That's were we need to go. Bring in the did not vote.

A lot of that not voting is thanks to voter suppression in this country. Setting a day in the middle of the work week. Employers not letting people off to vote. Threats by GQPers against people of color and former convicts. Shutting down voting precincts, forcing long lines and uncomfortable conditions. Hiding and moving precincts.....my precinct has moved twice in 2 years. It's like hunting for hidden treasure trying to find my voting precinct.

And if you live in certain states, just wearing a mask could get you in a tough situation.

Anyway, it's a shame we don't fine people for not coming out to vote. Just a minor fee would get people more concerned about voting.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

19. "When that vote in the map was taken COVID was still rampant."

Not in 2016.

And good morning.

[Farmer-Rick]

20. Oh you're right.

I was thinking of that last election. I edited it out.

Thanks.

[Tribetime]

11. Problem is electoral college....we need to win by 4% min.

[inthewind21]

23. Yes, the

majority did. But since that is NOT how we elect POTUS in this country and never has been what exactly is the point?

[Initech]

33. And Fox News is his enabler.

They enable this shit daily. The key to defeating him is to turn off that shit at every possible opportunity. I've been calling Sean Hannity the MAGA Mob Boss lately because nearly all of the right wing Congress critters and especially the MAGAs suck up to him as if he's their regional supervisor or something.