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Sun Jan 1, 2012, 10:35 PM

Ron Paul Compares Social Security & Medicare To Slavery

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Reply Ron Paul Compares Social Security & Medicare To Slavery (Original post)
ProSense Jan 2012 OP
tabatha Jan 2012 #1
ProSense Jan 2012 #8
RKP5637 Jan 2012 #9
freshstart Jan 2012 #16
RKP5637 Jan 2012 #19
TBF Jan 2012 #24
RKP5637 Jan 2012 #25
freshstart Jan 2012 #26
FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #2
Skittles Jan 2012 #5
Cleita Jan 2012 #3
elleng Jan 2012 #6
FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #7
Scootaloo Jan 2012 #11
ehrnst Jan 2012 #30
Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2012 #4
exboyfil Jan 2012 #10
Historic NY Jan 2012 #12
Bucky Jan 2012 #27
Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #13
ProSense Jan 2012 #18
Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #23
Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #14
demigoddess Jan 2012 #15
dems_rightnow Jan 2012 #17
the_chinuk Jan 2012 #20
AlwaysQuestion Jan 2012 #21
Eric J in MN Jan 2012 #22
workinclasszero Jan 2012 #28
USA_1 Jan 2012 #29

Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 10:51 PM

1. Without Social Security & Medicare, there would be slavery.

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Response to tabatha (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:12 PM

8. That

"Without Social Security & Medicare, there would be slavery."

...appears to be Paul's grand vision: poverty and slavery.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:31 PM

9. It really does! I'm convinced many of his supporters, especially the youth, do not

look beyond his rhetoric and his facade hence failing to see the long term (even short term) implications of what they're supporting. They are selling away their future. God I often ponder and wonder WTF is wrong with people.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 08:45 AM

16. I do too.

If the youth opt out of Social Security as Ron Paul suggests, do they really think employers will give them the money they are required to put into social security?

They need to look no further than what has happened with 401Ks and employer matching to realize where that will go.
http://money.usnews.com/money/retirement/articles/2008/11/03/will-your-employer-eliminate-its-401k-match

They'll have no retirement and no Social Security.

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Response to freshstart (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:27 AM

19. And on top of that probably no Medicare.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 05:30 PM

24. His "rhetoric and facade" are attractive to youth? Maybe young male nazis. nt

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Response to TBF (Reply #24)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 05:36 PM

25. Could well be. Here's what I was referring too via youth ...

Here's the article on this (and I hope not):

"Can Ron Paul Pull Off a Youth Revolt in Iowa?"

http://swampland.time.com/2012/01/02/can-ron-paul-pull-off-a-youth-revolt-in-iowa/

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #25)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 06:17 PM

26. He's got groups

all over the college campuses. He targets the youth, I guess hoping they don't see through to the reality of what he says really means.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 10:52 PM

2. Maybe he's suffering from Dementia.

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Response to FarLeftFist (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 10:59 PM

5. he has whatever Pat Robertson has

yes INDEED

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 10:55 PM

3. I can understand ignorant statements like this from the

other candidates. They have to dance with them who brung them, but Ron Paul is a doctor and should know better. Most doctors are aware of the fact that most seniors would be without medical care without Medicare and without shelter without Social Security.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:08 PM

6. Right; he says some surprising things.

Maybe we expect too much.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:10 PM

7. Yes, but Ron wants those people to die, so his twisted ideology is covered in that instance.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:24 AM

11. Deepak Chopra is a doctor, too

Still a gibbering idiot.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 3, 2012, 08:31 AM

30. Ron Paul treated patients on Medicaid for free, rather than take the payment.

He's delusional if he thinks this is true of other physicians.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 10:56 PM

4. One can easily make sure that he doesn't get any

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:44 PM

10. He compared the Supreme Court

decision regarding slavery to Social Security. He did not compare Social Security to slavery. He is arguing that the General Welfare clause should not be extended to Social Security. The post should be clarified.

I think he is an idiot for saying that S.S. and Medicare causes recessions (depressions). We had plenty of them with little federal General Welfare spending before the 1930s New Deal programs, and any interviewer worth his microphone should call him on it.

It comes down to what power should the federal government have. I happen to think their involvement in many areas of public life has been counterproductive (can you say No Child Left Behind).

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:26 AM

12. We had recessions long before we had SS or medicare or medicade...

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 07:54 PM

27. In fact, the boom and bust cycles were far worse in the 1800s

The net effect of the "liberal" interpretation of the Welfare Clause has been to create structures that kept this latest recession from becoming a depression. When 10% of our workforce lost their jobs, most didn't lose their homes and ability to feed their families. They got unemployment insurance and were able to keep their dignity and way of life and could stay connected to the wider economic community. We didn't end up with a generation of hobos like we did in the 30s, nor did a giant Coxey's Army march through the streets. The welfare state held families together when times got tough. It means that a loss of employment doesn't automatically lead to economic destitution. If you care about people, you should care about that.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:04 AM

13. This mega-rich freak is a HUGE asshole. He even makes the 1% look bad. nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:21 AM

18. Paul's

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Response to ProSense (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 03:29 PM

23. I went there. Thanks. He's such an evil individual. nt

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:10 AM

14. He's a fascist

What Paul is talking about is corporatism and, as Mussolini told us, corporatism is just another word for fascism.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:01 AM

15. And tithing isn't? At least we get something back in the end

tithing is like throwing money down a rat hole. None of it ever comes back as far as I see.

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Response to demigoddess (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 08:52 AM

17. Kind of as a general rule

When people give away money to benefit others, they're not expecting it to "come back".

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:48 PM

20. Maybe he just wants to clear the boards for actual slavery.

As long as you're going to have slavery, you may as well have the real thing ... right?

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:15 PM

21. Moronic at best

Ohmygawd, is this character for real?! He's one of the biggest coffer feeders at the top of the food chain. Who pays for his medical coverage? The tax payer. Moreover, the tax payer provides him with the best of the best all in a "no_wait" zone. And his rather large paycheque and rather extensive perks?--all decided on by the elected cats themselves. If that's not a conflict of interest and feeding from the top, I'll dine on my shoes tonight.

That notwithstanding, the strength of any nation is predicated on its peoples being strong and healthy. Unfortunately, congress has duplicitlously permitted industry to mess with our food supply (GMO, toxic sprays, irradiation, transfats, BPA lined cans), introduce toxins into any number of everyday products (plastics immediately come to mind; TV sets; building supplies; etc.); to dump all manner of toxins into the water, soil and air. But when people become ill as a result of foul legislation and require medical attention, sorry, NOT COVERED--You're on your own. We members of Congress don't work for the rank and file--it's a one-way system, idjuts. We takes yer money--well, of course--but making certain that you benefit from those monies is, we think, more than a tad counterproductive for us. More even, it's unconstitutional. Of course it is, Ron!! Sheesh.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:40 PM

22. Ron Paul isn't saying that Social Security is as bad as slavery,

...or that Social Security has enslaved us.

He just mentioned slavery as something else the Supreme Court upheld.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 10:23 PM

28. But gee all the rich 1%er's like Kelly Clarkson are big fans

of this ahole, go figure.

I'm sure they would be paying even less taxes after SS and medicare are killed off by republican slimeballs like RP.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:59 PM

29. Social Security Causes Recessions ????

 

What kind of an idiot is Paul?

We had major recessions/depressions in the 19th century - well before anyone heard of Social Security. Is he really that stupid???

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