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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 07:08 PM
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Edano: Japan reactor container appears damaged
Japan reactor container appears damaged

From correspondents in Tokyo
From: AFP
March 15, 2011 10:01AM


PART of the container of a troubled nuclear reactor appears to be damaged, the Japanese government says, indicating possible serious radiation leaks.

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano today said that "damage appears on the suppression pool" - the bottom part of the container, which contains water used to cool down the reactor and control air pressure inside.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/japan-reactor-contain-appears-damaged/story-e6freuyi-1226021617701

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robdogbucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 07:16 PM
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1. Another wild card with the MOX fuel in #2
Edited on Mon Mar-14-11 07:17 PM by robdogbucky
is that it is actually recycled Soviet weapons fuel. It has never been observed behaving in ways that may occur here, in other words if there is a breach we don't know what the MOX will do.

This "explosion," is different from the others, and Spitzer and the DC expert Jim Walsh are really concerned about this particular event for that reason. CNN is now reporting how bad TEPCO's safety record and honest reporting is.

A friend is going to Hawaii tomorrow, I told him he was nuts.

We are here in California and the possibilities are mind-boggling. We could receive airborne fallout in a worse case scenario and no longer trust the fish in the ocean. In addition to that, recent large quakes, especially around this Pacific Rim, seem to be more frequent. I would be upwind from Diablo if the wind was blowing slightly northeast here to the Bay Area. More likely it is too far south to effect us up here. Who knows which way the wind blows?

Yikes, I hate this tension.

I can only imagine what the Japanese are going through.


Hands off my Social Security!
Hands off Latin America!


rdb
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 07:21 PM
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2. This is not the MOX reactor. # 3 is the MOX
Edited on Mon Mar-14-11 07:26 PM by snagglepuss
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 07:24 PM
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3. Exactly. n/t
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 07:27 PM
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6. I thought it was but I was googling and the UK Telegaph says 2 is the MOX
Edited on Mon Mar-14-11 07:31 PM by snagglepuss
but Telegragph is wrong. Accordinging to Union of Concerned Scientists Unit 3 IS the MOX reactor.


http://allthingsnuclear.org/post/3842650618/sunday-update-on-fukushima-reactors#
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 07:36 PM
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12. no, the plutonium/uranium MOX is in number 3, number 2 had a very strange explosion
number 2 is the prime candidate for floor breach, atm, at which point the MOX factor is muted, and the worst case scenario comes into play

lets hope the contianment vessels hold, all 3 in melt down are the old POS GE level one type, only Fukushima Dai-Ichi number 6 is level 2 type of containment
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 07:27 PM
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5. Actually Hawaii will be safer, due to the primary wind patterns
Edited on Mon Mar-14-11 07:27 PM by nadinbrzezinski
Oh and MOX is in reactor number 3
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 07:28 PM
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7. Hawaii is well over 1500 kilomteres south of radiation path that will head to west coast of the US
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 07:26 PM
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4. That is the primary vesssel?
we just went up a few notches in seriousness
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 07:31 PM
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10. Yes, It is more serious than the others.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 07:32 PM
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11. Well we are now leaving nightmare and entering apocalyptic
can we start getting afraid now? Or will the rose colored crew keep telling us this is safe... pass the cesium and the strontium.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 07:30 PM
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8. Lawrence O'Donnell just reported the same thing, citing the NY Times.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 07:31 PM
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9. Release
BreakingNews Breaking News
Radiation at Fukushima plant briefly hits 8,217 micro-sieverts per hour, well above normal levels - Kyodo News http://bit.ly/fnlaRX
9 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sievert

SI multiples and conversions

Frequently used SI multiples are the millisievert (1 mSv = 10−3 Sv) and microsievert (1 μSv = 10−6 Sv) or (1 mSv = 0.001 Sv) and (1 μSv = 0.000001 Sv).
An older unit of the equivalent dose is the rem (Röntgen equivalent man). In some fields and countries, the rem and millirem (abbreviated mrem) continue to be used along with Sv and mSv, causing confusion. Here are the conversion equivalences:
1 Sv = 100 rem
1 mSv = 100 mrem = 0.1 rem
1 μSv = 0.1 mrem
1 rem = 0.01 Sv = 10 mSv
1 mrem = 0.00001 Sv = 0.01 mSv = 10 μSv

We are starting to see a significant exposure

Remember, this is cumulative
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 07:48 PM
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13. Did they list what is a normal level of radiation?
That would be a good way of knowing how bad it really is. My girlfriend just told me she has friends living in Japan :(. It would be a shame to survive the tsunami only to get exposed to radiation.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 07:58 PM
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14. Your yearly exposure is measured in 20 or less microseverts
people in the industry are allowed a few more...

Ironically when hubby was in the USN... he got less exposure in a sub than I did on the surface.
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