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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 09:03 PM
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WikiLeaks Analysis Suggests Hundreds of Thousands of Unrecorded Iraqi Deaths
http://www.brussellstribunal.org/Roberts050311.htm

ikiLeaks Analysis Suggests Hundreds of Thousands of Unrecorded Iraqi Deaths

Les Roberts, 05 March 2011

Imagine that the New York Times revealed that five Senators were known to be taking bribes from a particular corporation. Some days later the Washington Post runs a story saying they had independent sources suggesting that four Senators were taking bribes from that same corporation but goes on to state that this was nothing new as the story was already covered, neglecting to mention that three of the four names were different than those previously reported by the Times. This is hard to imagine because eight named Senators in a scandal is not the same as five named Senators, and because healthy competition between papers would tend to point out the information missed by a rival. Yet, this is, at least numerically, what happened following the October 22nd, 2010 release of the Iraq War Logs by WikiLeaks.

The release which supposedly included over 391,000 classified DoD reports described violent events after 2003 including 109,000 deaths, the majority (66,000) being Iraqi civilians. At the time of the release, the most commonly cited figure for civilian casualties came from Iraqbodycount.org (IBC), a group based in England that compiles press and other descriptions of killings in Iraq. In late October, IBC estimated the civilian war death tally to be about 104,000. Virtually all authorities, including IBC themselves, acknowledge that this count must be incomplete, although the fraction missed is debated. The press coverage of the Iraq War Logs release tended to focus on the crude consistency between the number recorded by WikiLeaks, 66,000 since the start of 2004, and the roughly 104,000 recorded deaths from Iraqbodycount since March of 2003. The Washington Post even ran an editorial entitled, “WikiLeaks’s leaks mostly confirm earlier Iraq reporting” concluding that the Iraq War Log reports revealed nothing new.

A research team from the Columbia University Mailman School of Public Health released a report this week analyzing the amount of overlap between the 66,000 WikiLeaks reports and the previously known listing of IBC. The team developed a system for grading the likelihood that the WikiLeaks War Log record matched an entry in IBC, scoring the match between 0 (not a match) to 3 (very likely a match). The matching records were graded by at least two reviewers and then a third reviewer arbitrated any discrepancies. The conclusion? Only 19% of the WikiLeaks reports of civilian deaths had been previously recorded by IBC. With so little overlap between the two lists, it is almost certain that both tallies combined are missing the majority of civilian deaths, suggesting many hundreds of thousands have died.

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On the other hand, WikiLeaks gave these records in advance to five papers including the New York Times and it took the Columbia University team just minutes to realize that for most events reported outside of Baghdad (where matching takes more work) there were no reported killings in a particular city or province on that day within IBC’s database.

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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 09:07 PM
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1. A sad knr.
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WHEN CRABS ROAR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 09:08 PM
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2. Why would anyone be surprised by this.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 09:14 PM
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3. There was nothing about this war of aggression that they didn't lie about.
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 10:06 PM
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7. Still though
It's not hard to figure out that if we're going to invade a country, people are going to die.

Even if all you had access to was the mainstream media, still, if you're human, something should tell you that killing other people is wrong.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 12:30 PM
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13. Being human, we don't always think it's wrong.
Sometimes it cheers us right up. We're an odd species.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 09:26 PM
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4. pathetic lap whores, that's our media
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 09:50 PM
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5. Rumsfeld, Bush, Wolfowitz
May the cries and moans of one hundred thousand innocent souls haunt your nights for the rest of your days.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 10:03 PM
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6. And yet they are still being killed because they want their freedom
from us.

bush and his cabal need to burn in hell for eternity for this.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 11:55 PM
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8. tens of thousands died on the first night
as the city was bombed mercilessly and was miscounted immediately and went from there.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 12:47 AM
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9. knr - Kucinich-Paul Congressional Hearing on Civilian Casualties in Iraq
http://www.juancole.com/2006/12/kucinich-paul-congressional-hearing-on.html

"REP. KUCINICH: (Without microphone.) Okay. Thank you very much for being here this morning for this congressional oversight briefing on Iraq, in particular — we’ll start over. Thank you. Thank you very much for being here this morning for this congressional oversight briefing on Iraq — in particular, the impact of 650,000 excess deaths in Iraq. And we’re going to do an overview of the Lancet mortality study in Iraq..."







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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 12:50 AM
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10. Where is Osama bin Laden?
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 01:33 AM
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11. K&R
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 09:05 AM
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12. kick nt
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 01:54 PM
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14. K&R. (nt)
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 07:03 PM
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15. kick n/t
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