Libyan Revolution Tweets, Day 15 (or 17*), Part 2

[Catherina]

Libyan Revolution Tweets, Day 15 (or 17*), Part 2

Today's threads: Part 1

#Feb17 Youth organizers invite Gaddafi's collaborators to stand under his umbrella ella ella ella ella ella http://bit.ly/faa34E

"We have Plan A, Plan B, Plan C. Plan A is to live and die in Libya. Plan B is to live and die in Libya. Plan C is to live and die in Libya."
- Saif Islam Qaddafi during interview

*I called this Day 15 because the official start date was #Feb17 but the kickoff was 2 days early so in reality today is day 14.

Previous Day 14 threads: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5, Part 6, Part 7, Part 8, Part 9

The world’s 100 largest arms dealers, excluding Chinese vendors, sold weapons for $401 billion in 2009, with US vendors in first place

Threads for Days 1-13 are in my journal

"I was born in Tunisia, I persevered in Egypt, I sacrificed myself in Libya, I have fought in Yemen&Bahrain. I am Freedom, I will not die."
- Libyan4life Jeel Ghathub

LibyanThinker The Libyan Thinker
Remains of Soldiers Burned to Death for Not Shooting Protesters in #Libya http://www.twitvid.com/YXKOT & http://tinyurl.com/4d6a57n

MAP of Protests across the Middle East


Click here for updated and interactive map
Google Earth DL here to see positions of army and patrolling route of mercenaries

Please rec if you read these so I know if the effort here is worth it.

[Catherina]

1. Libya unrest costs Russia $4 bln in arms deals

feb17libya Feb17Libya
#Feb17 #Libya Libya unrest costs Russia $4 bln in arms deals http://f.ast.ly/qEVLK
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Libya unrest costs Russia $4 bln in arms deals

MOSCOW, March 3 | Thu Mar 3, 2011 8:22am EST

(Reuters) - Russia stands to lose $4 billion in arms deals due to unrest in Libya, the Interfax news agency cited Sergei Chemezov, head of the state holding company that controls arms exports, as saying on Thursday.

http://feb17.info/media/libya-unrest-costs-russia-4-bln-in-arms-deals/

One sees where the priorities really are. Stop the intl arms dealers!

[Catherina]

2. roadside stalls in Benghazi dishing rebel movement's flag 2 every passing ca

Tom_Rayner Tom Rayner
Mass production of rebel movement's flag seems to have kicked in - roadside stalls in Benghazi dishing them out to every passing car #libya
1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Reply

I want one 2!

[Catherina]

3. USA, Gates exaggerate the difficulty of no-fly zone (WAPO)

LibyaNewMedia LibyaNewMedia
The Washinton Post confirms what I've been saying before: USA, Gates exaggerate the difficulty of no-fly zone: washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content…
1 hour ago

A no-fly zone over Libya deserves more consideration

Thursday, March 3, 2011

...
Given those circumstances, it only makes sense that Ms. Clinton and other officials began talking this week of tangible measures to curtail Mr. Gaddafi's military operations, such as a no-fly zone - a step requested by Libya's own delegation to the United Nations. On Wednesday the regime again dispatched planes to attack opposition positions, and it may also be using aircraft to transport troops or foreign mercenaries.

Part of the Libyan air force has already defected, and the opposition has captured several of its bases - so grounding the remaining warplanes would appear to be a manageable undertaking for U.S. or NATO forces. Yet in his own congressional testimony Wednesday, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates did his best to dump cold water on the idea - claiming that it could not be done with one aircraft carrier and would require "an attack on Libya to destroy the air defenses."

While the Pentagon's view cannot be taken lightly, this assessment sounded exaggerated. U.S. and allied warplanes maintained a no-fly zone over Iraqi Kurdistan for more than a decade without eliminating Saddam Hussein's air defenses. Similarly, Western planes could defend the areas of Libya under opposition control from air attack without taking on every air defense battery in the relatively small territories under Mr. Gaddafi's sway. The mere threat of encountering U.S. warplanes could serve to ground what remains of Libya's air force.

No U.S. military action should be undertaken in Libya without a careful assessment of the risks. A clear appeal from an opposition authority, and support from Arab or European states, are also needed. But the United States should not settle on inaction because of inflated assessments of the regime's remaining capabilities, or resistance from U.N. Security Council members such as Russia. If indeed the stakes in Libya are as Ms. Clinton and others describe them, the United States must do what it can to help bring about Mr. Gaddafi's downfall.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/02/AR2011030206734.html

No comment. 2 convoluted to even comment on now.

[CJvR]

19. It is not ability...

...that is lacking but will.

Also in the chaos of Libya the danger of a stray weapon leveling a residential block, and you know Gaddafi will put his AA assets next to schools, hospitals and high density residential areas, would be a gargantuan PR bonus for the regime. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if NATO bombed airbases, AA & CCC facilities and Gaddafi blew up a few schools and hospitals just for the PR effect.

[PufPuf23]

55. I favor Libyan AF defectors.

There are advantages and disadvantages to a "No Fly" Zone

A "No Fly" needs to have international legality and support; and also needs to deal with anti-aircraft defenses and what may be the result of enforcement.

The danger zone is screaming red because Qaddafi is using the AF, hardening areas of defense, mercenaries, and the AF is waging an offensive to push back a zone of control along the coast.

Libya could get very bloody and controversial. Libya supplies 15% to 20% of the crude oil to the EU, just across the Mediterranean Sea.

[defendandprotect]

57. Gates, unfortunately, isn't trust-worthy, anyway... Worked "October Surprise" for Reagan/Bush ...

was a primary player in that --

Why Obama kept him on is worrisome. Why Obama/Dems are still involved with supporting

these two Bush wars is also worrisome! Insane -- and bankrutping our Treasury!

[Catherina]

4. Qaddafi Forces Capture 3 Dutch Aviators

feb17libya Feb17Libya
#Feb17 #Libya Qaddafi Forces Capture 3 Dutch Aviators http://f.ast.ly/qs5vL
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Qaddafi Forces Capture 3 Dutch Aviators
Posted on March 3, 2011 by main


By MARLISE SIMONS and ALAN COWELL Published: March 3, 2011


THE HAGUE — Libyan forces loyal to Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi have captured three crew members of a Dutch naval helicopter who were rescuing European citizens last Sunday, the Dutch Defense Ministry said on Thursday, the first report of Westerners being held in Libya’s bloody and unfolding uprising.

Otte Beeksma, a spokesman for the Defense Ministry, said the pro-Qaddafi forces had also captured two civilians being rescued — one Dutch, the other from an unspecified European country — who had since been released. Dutch officials declined to give personal details of the crew members while confidential negotiations for their release were underway.

The authorities had kept word of the capture a secret until a Dutch newspaper broke the story.

Mr. Beeksma said the crew of a Lynx helicopter had landed in the coastal city of Surt — Colonel Qaddafi’s hometown and one of his strongholds — after flying from a Dutch warship, the HNLMS Tromp, anchored offshore. The helicopter was “surrounded by armed Libyan forces late on Sunday afternoon.”

...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/04/world/africa/04netherlands.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

[sasha031]

21. really dumb

[Catherina]

5. National Libyan Council (of rebels) in Benghazi rejects any form of foreign intervention in #Libya

Dima_Khatib Dima Khatib أنا ديمة
National Libyan Council (of rebels) in Benghazi rejects any form of foreign intervention in #Libya #feb17
49 minutes ago


PLZ MAKE UP YOUR MINDS. No Fly Zones require foreign intervention. This is absolutely maddening.

[bobbolink]

26. That answers my question of the other day... they are conflicted on this.

Frustrating, but totally understandable.

[defendandprotect]

58. Certainly see the wisdom in that -- !!

[Catherina]

6. plan for Gaddafi is to tell all Libyans the US are coming to invade Libya for OIL>>

TrablesVoice Freedom Fighter
last plan for Gaddafi is to tell all Libyans the US are coming to invade Libya for OIL, he will do what ever it takes for them to come.
54 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

TrablesVoice Freedom Fighter
then after they come to help, Libyans will see Gaddafi is right, all people will go in a war with USA and we lose everything. so evil.
53 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[sasha031]

25. its is how he ruled for decades, divide conquer, manipulate

I read somewhere, a psychiatrist said #G has borderline personalty disorder. It's obvious and he is extraordinarily deceitful but predictable.


the Libyans understand him perfectly

[Catherina]

7. Saif Gaddafi about claims that Hugo Chavez has proposed plan to end crisis >>

fieldproducer Neal Mann
RT @LisaatSky Saif Gaddafi about claims that Hugo Chavez has proposed plan to end crisis: I haven't heard about the Venezuela/Chavez claims.
47 minutes ago

Probably not what you wanted 2 hear.

[Catherina]

10. So Saif denies Libya accept plan by Venezuela 2 seek negotiated solution >

fieldproducer Neal Mann
So Saif Gaddafi denies #Libya accept plan by Venezuela to seek a negotiated solution,though he's not exactly been solid with facts so far...
17 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[Catherina]

8. Libyan rebels staff a checkpoint near the eastern oil terminal town of Brega

feb17libya Feb17Libya
#Feb17 #Libya Libyan rebels staff a checkpoint near the eastern oil terminal town of Brega http://f.ast.ly/qbJXL
36 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

VIDEO from Guardian w\ English subtitles

http://feb17.info/media/libyan-rebels-staff-a-checkpoint-near-the-eastern-oil-terminal-town-of-brega/

[defendandprotect]

59. LIBYA HURRA -- !!

[Catherina]

9. members of the revolutionary guard who fled were caught hiding in one of Benghazi's universities

ShababLibya LibyanYouthMovement
Today a few members of the revolutionary guard who fled were caught hiding in one of Benghazi's universities #Libya #Feb17 #gaddaficrimes
28 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[Catherina]

11. Mariah Carey admits Gaddafi paid her to sing and dance for him. She's giving the £ to charity

fieldproducer Neal Mann
RT @Elisa_Roche: Mariah Carey has admitted Gaddafi paid her to sing and dance for him. She's giving the £ to charity
15 minutes ago

Which charity and when? Meanwhile Beyonce still peddling a lie. Usher? Total silence.

[bobbolink]

27. Charities are now money laundering services?

[Catherina]

12. USA, Russia, Italy and UE vs China vs Venezuela, what is going on?

There are different position about the real situation in Libya. USA, Russia, Italy and UE wants evidences about aerial bombardment against civilians, Venezuela doesn’t want a military solution and China wants the libyan oil. Please translate this http://wp.me/pTb01-13y to know the world risk on Libya.

http://www.libyafeb17.com/forum/?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=11

The Russians sat satellite evidence denies air strikes on a crowd, Chavez seeks a diplomatic solution, the U.S. military deploys the fleet. What is going on in Libya?

by Frank Quartararo March 3, 2011

in News , Politics

He spoke at length about the cruelty of Gaddafi against his countrymen, both for the use of immigrants as mercenaries in order to have a free hand with respect to tribal bonds that hold together the country of Libya is inhumane for use on helicopters and fighter military to bomb the crowd that was protesting against his regime. Charges that have earned the recognition of Gaddafi under investigation by the Court of International Justice for crimes against humanity and an end to the support of allies like Italy and Russia. But from Russia comes a very serious accusation. According to Russian military sources, there are no air strikes against the population that took to the streets.

In support of this view there would be satellite images taken from satellites and Russian military claims they are in possession of information proving NATO and the Western powers are preparing a case of military intervention. Any peacekeeping mission and to deviate from the UN Security Council decision that is limited to close accounts abroad of Gaddafi and penalize the riches of the major components of the Libyan regime. Drop the possibility of exiling Gaddafi in a foreign country with a safe-conduct reasonable, the president of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez is trying to broker a deal to avert a military intervention. The idea of Chavez is to use the old axis of Third World countries, the problems created during the tumultuous years of international socialism in the late 60s and 70s, to create a reasonable lifeline for Qaddafi that the infant in Benghazi Libyan government, ruled by the former Minister of Justice.

Even the Arab League would agree to a diplomatic solution but the situation could precipitate after recent statements by the Libyan colonel. The "leader" of the revolution, as I like to call Gaddafi has threatened to nationalize the oil companies and trust companies in Indian and Chinese all agreements entered into by Italy, USA and other Western countries and that keep the Libyan economy. A threat that could precipitate a military resolution of the Libyan revolt by EU and U.S., which would see a further threat to the logistic control of oil resources in North Africa. At the same time, Russia and China, permanent members of the Security Council have an interest in stopping a UN resolution for the intervention of UN peacekeepers. If China could become the Libyan crisis further opportunity for the direct control of African raw materials, Russia could tighten even further its energy supremacy over the rest of Europe, becoming the only energy partner for the oil and gas of most EU countries.

Even the Arab League would agree to a diplomatic solution but the situation could precipitate after recent statements by the Libyan colonel. The "leader" of the revolution, as I like to call Gaddafi has threatened to nationalize the oil companies and trust companies in Indian and Chinese all agreements entered into by Italy, USA and other Western countries and that keep the Libyan economy. A threat that could precipitate a military resolution of the Libyan revolt by EU and U.S., which would see a further threat to the logistic control of oil resources in North Africa. At the same time, Russia and China, permanent members of the Security Council have an interest in stopping a UN resolution for the intervention of UN peacekeepers. If China could become the Libyan crisis further opportunity for the direct control of African raw materials, Russia could tighten even further its energy supremacy over the rest of Europe, becoming the only energy partner for the oil and gas of most EU countries.
...


http://www.blogpalermo.it/?p=4064
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogpalermo.it%2F%3Fp%3D4064&sl=auto&tl=en

Everyone scrambling to control Libya's oil and strategic location to stop other revolutions and control the Middle East oil fields, that's what going on.

[Catherina]

13. Revolutions never develop in a straight line,they retreat,advance,zizag,lag behind then >>

MilitantNews Stephen Morgan
#Libya Revolutions never develop in a straight line,they retreat,advance,zizag,lag behind then leap forward-but speed depends on leadership
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[Catherina]

14. Dima Khatib: So much stuff I want to tweet to you guys but got no tiiiiiime !!

Dima_Khatib Dima Khatib أنا ديمة
So much stuff I want to tweet to you guys but got no tiiiiiime !!
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[Catherina]

15. Crisis better solved through mediation - Sir Christopher Meyer -

LibyaFeb17_com LibyaFeb17.com
Crisis better solved through mediation - Sir Christopher Meyer - #feb17 #libya - libyafeb17.com/2011/03/crisis…
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...

1616: Sir Christopher Meyer, the former UK ambassador to Washington, has told BBC News that a no-fly zone over Libya is not practical "politically or militarily". "Cold water has been poured on the idea by Russia, who have a veto in the UN Security Council, and where the Russians go the Chinese tend to follow. We've also heard dampening noises from Washington. So right now it doesn't look like a no-fly zone would be practical politically, leaving aside the military difficulties."

1622: Sir Christopher said the crisis is more likely to be solved by mediation through people close to Colonel Gaddafi. "There is more to be done by working through the Arab world, through the Arab League, and through people who know Gaddafi," said the former British ambassador, mentioning Venezuela's Hugo Chavez as one possible option..

1625: Sir Christopher warned that the decision by the International Criminal Court to investigate Colonel Gaddafi for crimes against humanity could easily backfire. "It could make Gaddafi and his sons dig in deeper, because what have they got to lose? If they leave Libya they know there will be prosecutors waiting for them in The Hague."

...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698

Jesus. Ok, drop the ICC but I demand a firing squad.

[sasha031]

29. it's a thoughtful analysis though

[Catherina]

33. I think so too. Thoughtful analysis of a bloody mess n/t

[defendandprotect]

60. Well, what would the world be led to believe if the ICC hadn't acted?

That dictators like Gaddafi shouldn't be responded to -- acted against?

Think the world cheered at ICC move.

Gaddafi chose his path long ago -- one of murder and revenge on his people.

Only difference right now is that the world can see him clearly for what he is.

Gaddafi was a torturer and murderer before this -- and he will always behave the same.

This is simply who Gaddafi is -- ICC or no ICC.


IMO -- :evilgrin:

[Catherina]

16. ex-Gaddafi military officers saying revolutionaries couldn't take #Tripoli "need 2wait"-everyday >>

MilitantNews Stephen Morgan
Despite #Brega there r ex-Gaddafi military officers saying revolutionaries couldn't take #Tripoli "need 2wait"-everyday #Gaddafi gets bolder
6 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[Catherina]

17. In the 1st stage of revolution the workers take power and then hand it 2 >

MilitantNews Stephen Morgan
#Libya In the 1st stage of revolution the workers take power and then hand it 2 the middle class who in turn pass it over 2 the ruling class
5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[Catherina]

18. In 2nd phase of revolution workers take back power from the middle class >

MilitantNews Stephen Morgan
#Libya In 2nd phase of revolution workers take back power from the middle class+elect their own leaders 2 do battle with the ruling class
3 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[Catherina]

23. r many individually heroic members of middle class but bulk of fighters r working class. >>

MilitantNews Stephen Morgan
#Libya There r many individually heroic members of middle class but the bulk of fighters r working class. In Tripoli its poor areas fighting
9 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[bobbolink]

28. Yes, the real effort always fall to poor people. :(

Then we are ignored and left to flounder on our own.

[Iterate]

20. From Libya With Love

How a US consulting firm used American academics to rehab Muammar Qaddafi’s image.
— By David Corn and Siddhartha Mahanta

In February 2007 Harvard professor Joseph Nye Jr., who developed the concept of "soft power", visited Libya and sipped tea for three hours with Muammar Qaddafi. Months later, he penned an elegant description of the chat for The New Republic, reporting that Qaddafi had been interested in discussing "direct democracy." Nye noted that "there is no doubt that" the Libyan autocrat "acts differently on the world stage today than he did in decades past. And the fact that he took so much time to discuss ideas—including soft power—with a visiting professor suggests that he is actively seeking a new strategy." The article struck a hopeful tone: that there was a new Qaddafi. It also noted that Nye had gone to Libya "at the invitation of the Monitor Group, a consulting company that is helping Libya open itself to the global economy."

Nye did not disclose all. He had actually traveled to Tripoli as a paid consultant of the Monitor Group (a relationship he disclosed in an email to Mother Jones), and the firm was working under a $3 million-per-year contract with Libya. Monitor, a Boston-based consulting firm with ties to the Harvard Business School, had been retained, according to internal documents obtained by a Libyan dissident group, not to promote economic development, but "to enhance the profile of Libya and Muammar Qadhafi." So The New Republic published an article sympathetic to Qaddafi that had been written by a prominent American intellectual paid by a firm that was being compensated by Libya to burnish the dictator's image.

Presumably, Nye was sharing his independently derived view of Qaddafi. Yet a source familiar with the Harvard professor's original submission to the magazine notes, "It took considerable prodding from editors to get him to reluctantly acknowledge the regime's very well-known dark side." And Franklin Foer, then the editor of the magazine, says, "If we had known that he was consulting for a firm paid by the government, we wouldn't have run the piece." (After an inquiry by Mother Jones, The New Republic added a disclaimer to the Nye story acknowledging the details of Nye's relationship with Monitor.)

...more http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/03/libya-qaddafi-monitor-group?page=1

A 'must read' article.

Among the neocons and academics brought in by the Monitor Group to rehabilitate the Leader's image were Richard Perle, Francis Fukuyama, and Bernard Lewis. A quick check of the Monitor Group website makes me think that they must be a very modest bunch, because there's hardly any mention of Libya or their (temporary) success in G's image rehabilitation.

To my knowledge, one academic whom they did not consult was Dirk Vandewalle, an associate professor of government at Dartmouth College. He has not only written about Libya for 30 years, he has lived there as well.

You can hear him in a recent interview with Terry Gross:
http://www.npr.org/2011/02/28/134132726/dirk-vandewalle-peers-inside-qaddafis-world

[sasha031]

30. K&R

trying to get link on NPR to work, should be very interesting.

[sabrina 1]

36. The same old gang who care nothing for morality

Perle who should be in jail for his war crimes eg. It should not surprise anyone to see these people still operating in the same way, proppoing up dictators so long as they are willing to give them access to their countries' resources.

U.S. foreign policy is a disgrace and if all the recent revelations from the Wikileaks cables of their backing of known brutal dictators does not prompt some changes in that policy, nothing will.

Thanks for the post. They all have egg on their greedy faces now, but there is no excuse for what they did, knowing full well what was going on in that country.

Prince Andrew's services were also employed to help grant Qaddafi his biggest wish, to release the Lockerbie bomber, before he would open the spigots for BP and the rest of the multi-national criminal oil cartels. There was nothing they were not willing to overlook. All should be investigated and prosecuted along with Qaddafi. If he had managed to suppress this revolution, they would have gone on with business as usual. But the Libyan people have now made that almost impossible, although I wouldn't count them out. They are resilient if nothing else and all that money is far too much of a temptation for them to give up on.

[Iterate]

56. I can't find anything that Perle has said for weeks

and have seen some accounts that he is refusing calls from reporters. Fucking coward.

[sabrina 1]

63. He's always implicated in some criminal activity or another, but

he always slithers away into the shadows only to surface some new scheme. And these are the people our government refuse to investigate and hold accountable for the war crimes they committed. You'd think they would be happy to get off the hook, but the extent of their pathological greed and need for power is so great they just keep on doing what they know best, hurting people for profit.

Oh, and yes, he is a disgusting coward like all of them.

[sasha031]

38. thank you loved interview, article was very informative

rec

[Catherina]

22. Saif Gadhafi says Brega bombing a "big misunderstanding."

HalaGorani Hala Gorani
Saif Gadhafi says Brega bombing a "big misunderstanding." : http://bit.ly/hrbhy9
7 minutes ago

Libya: Gaddafi son says bombs were 'misunderstanding'
Libyan government bombing raids on Brega were a "big misunderstanding" designed to scare off rebels, according to Saif al-Islam, son of Col Muammar Gadda


VIDEO

• Gaddafi to be investigated by ICC over crimes against humanity
• Gaddafi forces strike oil export hubs in Brega for second day
• Dmitry Medvedev warns of "civil war"

In an interview with Sky News, Saif said: "First of all the bombs (were) just to frighten them to go away. Not to kill them.

"I'm talking about the harbour and the oil refinery there. Nobody would allow the militia to control Brega. It's like allowing someone to control Rotterdam harbour in Holland.

His comments came as the International Criminal Court announced that Col Gaddafi and key aides will be investigated over allegations they committed crimes against humanity while fending off the uprising in Libya.


Luis Moreno-Ocampo, the Hague's prosecutor said: "We have identified some individuals with de facto or formal authority, who have authority over the security forces. "They are Muammar Gaddafi, his inner circle, including some of his sons."

...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8359828/Libya-Gaddafi-son-says-bombs-were-misunderstanding.html

[Catherina]

24. Amr Moussa just said up to Venezuela 2 release details of mediation proposal

Dima_Khatib Dima Khatib أنا ديمة
Amr Moussa just said that Venezuelan mediation proposal for #Libya was "under consideration", up to Venezuela to release details #feb17
4 minutes ago

[defendandprotect]

61. Libya Hurra -- !!

[Catherina]

31. nowblog tonight focuses on Cpl.Bradley Manning, as the big US guns go for the small man

jonsnowC4 Jon Snow
Snowblog tonight focuses on Cpl.Bradley Manning, as the big US guns go for the small man in the Wikileaks saga: http://bit.ly/f5Uv8s
8 minutes ago

Wikileaks: Bradley Manning's Hour
Thursday 3 March 2011
2:43 pm

...

It has been most convenient to the US military to have Manning incommunicado. It has meant that they have been able to spin their own accounts of his behaviour and his ‘acts against the state’.

His case has enabled the US authorities to avoid the spotlight falling upon the absurd decisions that led to so much ‘secret’ material being left in computer data systems to which at least 900,000 had access. There is an argument than Manning did them a favour by effectively blowing the whistle on amateur and negligent storage of such ‘secret’ files. No heads have rolled. No heads will roll. No one in authority in any US department has been disciplined as a result of the data they effectively handed Manning for him to treat as he saw fit.

Net result – all attention is focused on the ‘little man’ in all this and not upon the big guys. Manning will probably not be executed, although the military judge can ignore the prosecution’s call for life imprisonment and go for death anyway.

We should be vigilant in watching what our closest ally decides to do to this young man. It has not been easy to track what they have been doing to him thus far.

http://blogs.channel4.com/snowblog/wikileaks-bradley-mannings-hour/14785

[Catherina]

32. Anonymous will avenge Manning:

AnonymousIRC Anonymous
Anonymous will avenge Manning: http://is.gd/F4v1UM | #Anonymous #Manning #Wikileaks #AnonLeaks #OpEmmaa
11 minutes ago

THU MAR 03, 2011 AT 01:24 PM EST
Anonymous Will Avenge Manning
bybarrettbrown

...

As we explained yesterday, Palantir must be destroyed. Here is more info regarding why. As a bonus, we are also providing info that has been assembled by a diligent Kosack on the relationship between discredited criminal firm HBGary and the U.S. military's OSD. We have names, numbers, e-mails, trails, timelines, and the collective work ethic of a thousand Anons, as well as the ear of the media. This will continue until such time as Manning's capital charge is taken off the table. We will apply pressure in the right spots and we will do so in the public eye, and in such a way as that anyone may observe our discussions on our IRC servers, as per usual. And we now have the lawyers to back up our position.

Our Palantir file is being finished at this moment. Here's a preview.

Katherine Crotty; Jeremy Glesner; Aaron Marshall; Eli Bingham confirmed involved. E-mail links to follow.

Here's a fun little connection between Palantir and BoA's law firm, Hunton & Williams, which not only saw but clearly provided input into the proposal in direct contradiction to the lies that have been told to the opposite effect.

http://hbgary.anonleaks.ch/aaron_hbgary_com/439.html

...


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/03/03/952165/-Anonymous-Will-Avenge-Manning

[Catherina]

34. France and Britain want "bold and ambitious measures" in EU summit on Libyan crisis

EANewsFeed EA WorldView
#Libya: France and Britain want "bold and ambitious measures" in EU summit on Libyan crisis http://tinyurl.com/6gw8acx Feb17 #Jan25
12 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

"bold and ambitious measures" for bold and ambitious oil plans no doubt.

06:25pm
British Foreign Minister William Hague said that France and Britain want to put "bold and ambitious measures" to next week's emergency European Union summit on the Libyan crisis.

Following talks with French counterpart Alain Juppe on ways to stop Gaddafi suppressing a revolt against his rule, Hague said: "Today we discussed how Britain and France will do everything we can to increase the pressure.

"We also agreed the international community including us and other partners will continue to plan for different contingencies, including a no-fly zone, to ensure that we can respond swiftly and resolutely to the events in Libya."

...
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/live-blog-libya-march-3

[Catherina]

35. Obama says he has authorized the use of US military aircraft to help repatriate Egyptians >>

HalaGorani Hala Gorani
Obama says he has authorized the use of US military aircraft to help repatriate Egyptians at Tunisian border back home. #Libya
14 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[JanDutchy]

39. What Obama should do: throw the net at the other side of the 'boat'. The water is clear.,you can see

The revolutions in North Africa and the Middle East are the failure of Islamic fundamentalism and hatred.
1. the failure of the fundamentalists. The populations of Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Bahrain, Yemen and Oman requirements no sharia, but freedom, social justice and employment. These social and democratic revolutions mean the collapse of the fundamentalists. Conservative Islamic parties in upcoming elections will certainly get votes, but are not the heart of the revolution. Neither are the fundamentalists the victors of this historic months. The Islamic revolution is post-1.2. The bankruptcy of islam hates. The democratic revolution also means the bankruptcy of islam haters. Where is a Wilders or a Le Pen, now whole Nations in countries with a large majority of Muslims claim their democratic rights? Islam could not coexist with democracy? That extremist vision, which Netherlands slowly poisons, don't forget that the West half a century dictators maintained in Islamic countries and never has a leg outstretched for persecuted Democrats in North Africa and the Middle East. Authoritarian regimes were supported in exchange for oil and, in the case of Egypt, stability around Israel. Now, it is the people themselves who remind us that there are still people living on the oil with legitimate desires: work, affordable nutrition, freedom. There has no extremist answer. Geert Wilders should but in a different sandbox with Bin Laden go playing around 1.3. The revolution is the first major event in the post-Western era, in which the EU and the us no longer the obvious political and economic centre of the world. The EU and the USA will for a peaceful and democratic future in the Middle East and North Africa need to work closely with other major world players such as China, India and Russia. That is a difficult task, given the rising demand for oil, but another way is not there.
4. There is a clear choice for European foreign policy. The heads of the EU Member States still find it difficult to EU High Representative Catherine Ashton the necessary freedom of movement. Cameron, Sarkozy and Merkel mowing her grass for the feet away. Slowness and inefficiency are the result. In rapidly changing crisis situations is fast and United action by the EU is necessary. Now is a United political Europe needed, no loose club of Member States who have their own course.
5. the EU and the us hear the natural allies of peoples who opt for democracy. If we generously assist them now is that a big step towards a world order based on equal rights of every citizen-the only world order that lasting stability can emerge. Generous support for our southern neighbours is of course also in the interest of the EU itself, with a view to peace and security, migration and energy supply. The time is past where the relationship with these countries could be just dictated by the Mediterranean EU Member States, as France and Italy 3.6. Mass migration is to avoid. Now the millions of young people who do not want to demonstrate peacefully away. They want to work in their own country, freed from dictators. Then we must also help them quickly so that migration is not the only way out seems to be. Refugees from Libya deserve adequate care in their own region, the EU must have the necessary resources (such as tents, medical teams, transport) for disposal.
7. the EU needs the new Governments in North Africa and the Middle East now consistently offer help, on their arduous path towards an open democracy. The EU has the necessary experience with the transition from dictatorship to democracy, in Spain, Portugal, Greece and the countries in Central and Eastern Europe. Knowledge transfer and legal aid are far more important than money. It requires a generous commitment of experts from the EU Member States and Brussels. We do not, then let's shoot a huge opportunity to create something good from the mistakes of the past, with the risk that we it fundamentalism still a chance.
8. Dictators disappear, the social tension remains. There is in North Africa systematically underinvested in the private sector, providing employment. Meanwhile, the population grew; more than half is under 25, reasonably well educated and without a future. That calls for a different policy in those countries themselves, with the oil revenues are invested in employment and the private sector a chance
9. employment calls for investing and that goes better with loans than with subsidies. The oil countries have more than enough resources, for them it is especially a matter of political choice for opportunities for every citizen. Countries without natural resources such as Tunisia and Egypt have needed loans, with the support of the large public banks EIB and world bank for the development of small and medium-sized enterprises. The Dutch Government wants the EIB the necessary room for manoeuvre does not award and that is short-sighted.
10. the social time-bomb ticking in many other developing countries. Millions of young people walking, sometimes with good training, waiting for a future. Also there are dictators, with small clans, in the saddle held by the EU and other Western donors, in the name of a ' stability ', of which especially the rich countries benefit. Neighbourhood policy and EU development policy should not be longer by geopolitical interests be frustrated. Human rights and democracy are not a luxury of moral moved Westerners, but hear are a high priority in the interests of peace and stability of the world's population.

V - paece and prosperity for all!

[Catherina]

37. #G doesn't give a damn about what #Obama says. only thing #G will understand is an ax in the head

MilitantNews Stephen Morgan
#Gaddafi doesn't give a damn about what #Obama says about his legitimacy 2 rule The only thing Gaddafi will understand is an axe in the head
2 minutes ago

[Catherina]

40. Obama says there were no "anti-American sentiments" in the Egyptian revolution. A lie. US govt was >

3arabawy Hossam عمو حسام
Obama says there were no "anti-American sentiments" in the Egyptian revolution. A lie. US govt was slammed http://is.gd/4KL0Ut #Imperialism
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Anti-Zionism, Anti-Imperialism and the #Jan25 revolution
March 1st, 2011 at 6:26am | 7 comments

Some DC pundits have been repeatedly on satellite TV stations claiming the Egyptian revolution had nothing to do with Israel or the US. Some even go as far as claiming this was “purely an internal affair.”

Those self described “ME experts” tend to neither know a word of Arabic nor visited Tahrir Square during the mass protests. The roots of this Egyptian revolt date back to September 2000, when street activism was revived again following a decade of dirty wary between the regime and the Islamist militants. There is a chain reaction linking those protests which broke out in solidarity with the Palestinian intifada to the current revolt.

Anyways, I’ll let the pictures speak for themselves. Watch a slide show on Flickr…

http://www.arabawy.org/2011/03/01/anti-zionism-anti-imperialism-and-the-jan25-revolution/

All signs in Arabic

[Catherina]

41. Pentagon have evidence that Gaddafi used air raids against civilians

LibyanDictator The Dictator
Via Alarabiya: Pentagon have evidence that Gaddafi used air raids against civilians. #Libya #Feb17
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[Catherina]

42. Rebels captured 6 african mercenaries in eastern #libya today. Almost summarily executed them >

martinchulov Martin Chulov
Rebels captured 6 african mercenaries in eastern #libya today. Almost summarily executed them. A colleague stopped things.
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[Catherina]

46. captured mercenaries said they had entered #libya through an air force base in the south.

martinchulov Martin Chulov
The captured mercenaries said they had entered #libya through an air force base in the south.
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[Catherina]

43. Who funds regime militias? Muatassim #Gaddafi demanded $1.2 billion from National Oil Corporation >

MilitantNews Stephen Morgan
#Libya Who funds regime militias? Muatassim #Gaddafi demanded $1.2 billion from National Oil Corporation 2 create his own militia -Wikileaks
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[defendandprotect]

62. K/R

[sasha031]

44. Hillary Clinton Calls Al Jazeera 'Real News,' Criticizes U.S. Media (VIDEO

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Wednesday that Al Jazeera is gaining more prominence in the U.S. because it offers "real news"--something she said American media were falling far short of doing.

Clinton was speaking before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and she said the U.S. is losing the "information war" in the world. One of the reasons she cited for this was the quality of channels like Al Jazeera.

"Viewership of Al Jazeera is going up in the United States because it's real news," she said. "You may not agree with it, but you feel like you're getting real news around the clock instead of a million commercials and, you know, arguments between talking heads and the kind of stuff that we do on our news which, you know, is not particularly informative to us, let alone foreigners."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/03/hillary-clinton-calls-al-_n_830890.html

in that,I'm in agreement with her.

[Catherina]

45. Brutal murder of Libyan soldiers who refused to kill own citizens

LibyaNewMedia LibyaNewMedia
Brutal murder of Libyan soldiers who refused to kill own citizens! Show this to the Libyans in Tripoli http://on.fb.me/fGizKM PLZ RT #Libya
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https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=115911735150119&comments

New video, very disturbing. Graphic. One is still alive. :cry:

[sasha031]

48. ....

:cry:

[Catherina]

47. No internet connection in #Tripoli today.

ceoDanya Danya B Mohammed
No internet connection in #Tripoli today.
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[Catherina]

49. Zentan: Yesterday youth offensive vs Kikla military outpost, captured military car with more mercs

feb17voices Feb 17 voices
LPC from Zentan: Yesterday youth launched offensive against Kikla military outpost, between Zentan and Gherian. #Libya #Feb17
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feb17voices Feb 17 voices
LPC from Zentan: Yesterday captured military car with more mercenaries. #Libya #Feb17
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[Catherina]

50. Gaddafi 'recruited 800 Tuareg mercenaries

LibyaNewMedia LibyaNewMedia
@
@martinchulov Gaddafi 'recruited 800 Tuareg mercenaries' http://yhoo.it/gK2nER #Libya #Gaddafi #Tripoli
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Kadhafi 'recruited 800 Tuareg mercenaries'

– Thu Mar 3, 7:47 am ET
BAMAKO (AFP) – Libyan leader Moamer Kadhafi has recruited some 800 Tuareg separatist fighters from Niger, Mali, Algeria and Burkina Faso to quash a popular uprising against his regime, security sources said on Thursday.

"Eight hundred Tuareg originating from Mali, Algeria and Burkina Faso have been recruited by Libya to fight on Kadhafi's side," a Malian security source told AFP.

...

"Those who are leaving now are tempted by the easy earnings. It is they who we call mercenaries," said Abdou Salam Ag Assalat, president of the Kidal Regional Assembly in north-eastern Mali.

"Among these youths there are former Malian and Niger Tuareg rebels who took up arms in Mali in 2006 and 2008," he added.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110303/wl_africa_afp/malilibyapoliticsviolencenigeralgeriaburkina_20110303124751

[PufPuf23]

51. Thank you. K&R

Missed the Libyan OPs the most during the down and strange time at DU.

Links offered by posters at DU are so informative.

[Catherina]

52. Obama administration ignoring faxes from Qaddafi ,, UN too

feb17libya Feb17Libya
#Feb17 #Libya Obama administration ignoring faxes from Qaddafi http://f.ast.ly/bkLax
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Obama administration now dealing with rogue Libyan ambassadors and ignoring faxes from Qaddafi
Posted By Josh Rogin Thursday, March 3, 2011 - 1:11 PM


The Obama administration has decided switch the focus of its Libya diplomacy toward dealing with Libyan representatives in Washington and New York who have decried the regime, after the Libyan government in Tripoli stopped taking its calls.

The Obama administration, and especially the State Department, had been maintaining its relationship with the government of Col. Muammar al-Qaddafi until early this week. Even when President Barack Obama imposed sanctions on Qaddafi on Feb. 25, the State Department did not break diplomatic relations.

Undersecretary of State Bill Burns and Assistant Secretary of State Jeffrey Feltman were in regular contact with Libyan Foreign Minister Musa Kusa for the first two weeks of the crisis. But as of yesterday, Kusa won't come to the phone. The State Department therefore has now decided to ignore Kusa's request, sent via fax, that the administration stop dealing with Amb. Ali Aujali, Libya's top representative in Washington, who State had announced they would no longer deal with only days ago.

The United Nations is taking a similar approach, refusing to act on Qaddafi's fax to the U.N. that it expel Libya's two top diplomats in New York, Mohamed Shalgham and Ibrahim Dabbashi.

....

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/03/03/obama_administration_now_dealing_with_rogue_libyan_ambassadors_and_ignoring_faxes_f

http://feb17.info/media/obama-administration-ignoring-faxes-from-qaddafi/

[Catherina]

53. Audioboo: ENGLISH LPC frm Zentan: Explains yesterday's offensive on military outpost located b/wZent

feb17voices Feb 17 voices
Audioboo: ENGLISH LPC frm Zentan: Explains yesterday's offensive on military outpost located b/wZentan &Gherian #Libya http://boo.fm/b293142
1 hour ago

ENGLISH LPC frm Zentan: Explains yesterday's offensive on military outpost located b/wZentan &Gherian #Libya
about 1 hour ago


AUDIO w] simultaneous translation into English


http://audioboo.fm/boos/293142-english-lpc-frm-zentan-explains-yesterday-s-offensive-on-military-outpost-located-b-wzentan-gherian-libya

[Catherina]

54. Part 3 here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x550017