TEACHERS IN MILWAUKIE MAKE $105,000.00 A YEAR!

[BobbyBoring]

WOW I wish I could be a teacher! I heard this on Michael Savage today. "Their base salary is $55,000 and with benefits totals $105.000.00!

That's one hell of a benefit package.

Is there no end to what these whack jobs will pull out of their asses to further enrage their knuckle dragging brethren?

[PeaceNikki]

1. What do teachers in Oregon have to do with this?

:shrug:

[rucky]

2. heh. I caught that too.

[itsrobert]

3. Maybe, they can't spell?

?

[Hannah Bell]

savage is stupid or thinks his listeners are.

[rurallib]

20. Correction: Savage KNOWS his listeners are stupid

jesus what a Weiner.

[stevedeshazer]

14. +1

On Milwaukie

:)

[Boswell]

4. how many degrees does Mickey Winer have?

[SlimJimmy]

23. A PhD if memory serves (nt)

[Greybnk48]

29. A Ph.D. in nutritional ethnomedicine???

His bio doesn't say from what accredited University. This sounds like a Dr. Laura degree, LOL!

[SlimJimmy]

I have no idea. I was just answering the question. (nt)

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33. Believe it or not, UC - Berkeley

:wow:

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32. 98.6

:P

[Smarmie Doofus]

5. This is a guy who lies about his own *name*.

He's not a whack job if people believe him. He's just evil.

[FreakinDJ]

6. Just like the $80 per hr Auro workers - which is total BS

[The Gunslinger]

7. I don't believe him, but

That's what teachers should make.

[HockeyMom]

8. Benefits??????

I once heard some jerk say that supermarket cashiers at minimum wage are making $55,000 with benefits. Do they really think these "benfits" pays the rent/mortgage, bills, or puts clothes or food in their stomach's, or their kids?

They would be horrified to hear that Suffolk County (Long Island) Police make $105,000 BEFORE benefits!

[lib2DaBone]

9. I don't think this is accurate.... but even if it were... GOD BLESS TEACHERS...

.. they deserve every nickle they get!

[PeaceNikki]

10. It's not. Starting Salary: $25222; Average Salary: $46390;

[JDPriestly]

16. Some of the administrators with PhDs and many additional courses

may earn $105,000. I doubt that many, if any, of the teachers in the classrooms get salaries like that in Wisconsin unless maybe they too have a lot of education, PhDs and special assignments. Even then, that would be a very unusual salary for a teacher although some university teachers especially in medicine and business earn that much and more.

[mmonk]

11. To answer your question, no.

They go by the addage there is no lie too great to tell for their cause.

[Roselma]

12. Do you remember the false claims about UAW workers back

when we were discussing TARP for General Motors? Remember that $70/hour claim? Well, it turns out that what conservative "journalists" were doing was comparing actual salaries/compensation against "labor cost". That is what I think might be happening with these claims about $105K/year for teachers. Here's how TNR explained it at the time:



http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/assembly-line

(snip)

"But then what's the source of that $70 hourly figure? It didn't come out of thin air. Analysts came up with it by including the cost of all employer-provided benefits--namely, health insurance and pensions--and then dividing by the number of workers. The result, they found, was that benefits for Big Three cost about $42 per hour, per employee. Add that to the wages--again, $28 per hour--and you get the $70 figure. Voila.

Except ... notice something weird about this calculation? It's not as if each active worker is getting health benefits and pensions worth $42 per hour. That would come to nearly twice his or her wages. (Talk about gold-plated coverage!) Instead, each active worker is getting benefits equal only to a fraction of that--probably around $10 per hour, according to estimates from the International Motor Vehicle Program.


The number only gets to $70 an hour if you include the cost of benefits for retirees--in other words, the cost of benefits for other people. One of the few people to grasp this was Portfolio.com's Felix Salmon. As he noted yesterday, the claim that workers are getting $70 an hour in compensation is just "not true."

Of course, the cost of benefits for those retirees--you may have heard people refer to them as "legacy costs"--do represent an extra cost burden that only the Big Three shoulder. And, yes, it makes it difficult for the Big Three to compete with foreign-owned automakers that don't have to pay the same costs. But don't forget why those costs are so high. While the transplants don't offer the same kind of benefits that the Big Three do, the main reason for their present cost advantage is that they just don't have many retirees."

[OHdem10]

13. It is more like 46 K yearly and 26 K for a beginning teacher.

The Strausians have no problem with lying to the public
if they reach their goal. GRAB Power and Keep IT.

[Quixote1818]

15. Charter School leaders like Geoffrey Canada make $400,000 a year

Once the hedge fund managers get hold of of charter schools they will be making a hell of a lot more. Bastards!

[Initech]

17. They are pulling these facts straight out of their collective ass.

[opihimoimoi]

Savage is a weinie...never believe his shit...he is trouble maker, most GOPers are

[underpants]

18. The general number for calculating total expense of employment is 150%

mostly because of health care costs, employER payments to unemployment insurance and payroll tax, and (if applicable) 401K matching. Also there is education re-embursement if you are lucky.

[Chiquitita]

19. Unions keep everyone's salaries up

Over the last 10 years teachers's salaries in Wisconsin have gone up 21%; teachers' salaries in North Carolina (with no union) have gone up 45%. Still, on average, WI teachers make $3,000 more than NC teachers. What does this suggest? That if it weren't for teachers' unions in states like WI, other states could also abuse teachers more. WI sets a bar that makes all states have to compete to get the good teachers. What I don't understand is why the hatred out there for teachers? What the heck???

[GoldenOldie]

24. Why are they not asking Buchanan, Savage, etc.,

where they got this $105,000? My daughter and SIL are both teachers with Master's, one as a Counselor, the other as an ESL. Neither of them nor their fellow teachers earn this amount. Their health and pension deductions are withheld along with Federal Tax, State Tax, etc.

Also, no one ever mentions the raiding of pension funds by the States and Corporations......whatever happened to the protections of pension funds?

Time to let the Buchanan's, Savage's, Limbaugh's, Coulter's, etc., etc., be told it's time for them to get REAL JOBS. Not a one of them performs/works to make this world a better place, nor enrich the life of anyone but themselves......you can say the same thing of a tick, whose entire existence revolves around sucking blood from another. Unlike the Nurse, teacher, fireman, police, garbageman, steelworker, miners, etc., etc., who perform healing, educating, protecting, constructing, serving, who work long hours to not only help others, but to care and feed their families.

[dsc]

34. excellent point

The entire justification for the NC salary increases in that time was an attempt to get us up to the average teacher salary which unionized states help keep higher than they otherwise would be.

[Cleita]

21. Even if true, $105,000 a year isn't a whole lot

for someone with a degree and maybe even a masters degree or doctorate. I mean most professionals make around that in the private sector, lawyers, accountants, architects, etc.. Why shouldn't teachers? I'll bet that blowhard makes more spouting shit on the radio himself and he contributes nothing to society whatsoever.

[blueamy66]

36. I have a degree and don't make

anything near $105k!

My heart bleeds for those that make that much with a Bachelor's.

[LostInAnomie]

22. Where were all these high paying school districts when I was teaching?

I started out making $28k and that was with a Masters.

As a rule of thumb, I never believe any story that says the average public servant is making a bunch of cash. Anyone that has worked for the state knows different.

[Nevernose]

25. And when adjusted for inflation

Teachers nationwide are actually making LESS than they were 35 years ago, even if the dollar amounts have gone up.

[Gothmog]

26. Here is a good source debunking this crap

http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/6759/

However, the data indicates that state and local government employees in Wisconsin are not overpaid. Comparisons controlling for education, experience, organizational size, gender, race, ethnicity, citizenship, and disability reveal that employees of both state and local governments in Wisconsin earn less than comparable private sector employees. On an annual basis, full-time state and local government employees in Wisconsin are undercompensated by 8.2% compared with otherwise similar private sector workers. This compensation disadvantage is smaller but still significant when hours worked are factored in. Full-time public employees work fewer annual hours, particularly employees with bachelor’s, master’s, and professional degrees (because many are teachers or university professors).
When comparisons are made controlling for the difference in annual hours worked, full-time state and local government employees are undercompensated by 4.8%, compared with otherwise similar private sector workers. To summarize, our study shows that Wisconsin public employees earn 4.8% less in total compensation per hour than comparable full-time employees in Wisconsin’s private sector.

These compensation comparisons account for important factors that affect earnings, the most important of which is the educational levels of public employees. When comparing public and private sector pay it is essential to consider the much higher levels of education required by occupations in the public sector. As a consequence of these requirements, Wisconsin public sector workers are on average more highly educated than private sector workers; 59% of full-time Wisconsin public sector workers hold at least a four-year college degree, compared
with 30% of full-time private sector workers. Wisconsin state and local governments pay college-educated employees 25% less in annual compensation, on average, than private employers. The compensation differential is greatest for professional employees, lawyers, and doctors. On the other hand, the public sector appears to set a floor on compensation, which benefits less-educated workers. The 1% of state and local government workers without high school diplomas earn more than comparably educated workers in the private sector.

[Gothmog]

27. Here are some more facts debunking this crap

http://www.wisconsinrapidstribune.com/article/20110220/CWS0101/102200672/1982/WRT04/Budget-debate-about-fundamentals

A policy memo was released earlier this week by the Economic Policy Institute in Washington, D.C., that compared Wisconsin public and private employee costs. It concluded that comparing public and private employee is like comparing "apples to oranges".

The report states that:

• "When we compare apples to apples," Wisconsin public employees earn 4.8 percent less in total compensation than comparable private sector workers.

• Wisconsin public employees receive "considerably better" benefits than their private sector counterparts.

• Public employees earn lower wages and get less in total compensation, including benefits, than comparable private sector employees.

The Economic Policy Institute is a progressive nonprofit think tank that focuses on economic policy and the interests of low- and middle-income workers. Its board of directors is dominated by union representatives including Trumka, Andrew Stern, former president of the Service Employees International Union, and Randi Weingarten, president of American Federation of Teachers, AFL-CIO.

[spanone]

28. pat fuchanan said the same bullhockey yesterday...it's their current lie

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31. Oh Yeah? Teachers in Appleton make 1.15 MILLION DOLLARS FOR 9 MONTHS WORK

And they get chauffeurs on the weekends!



And free toilet paper while at work!

[lonestarnot]

35. Oh wtf. Liars!