I You Ever Needed Proof That The Male Ego Can, And Has, Threatened/Exinguished Millions Of Lives...

[WillyT]

Start with Hosni Mubarak...



And don't forget to look left and right, forward and back.

:evilfrown:

[Starry Messenger]

1. Ruh-roh.

:popcorn: Better have your Kevlar drawers on.

[Mojeoux]

2. W. and his little Despot Girlfriend. AWWW nt.

[Kennah]

3. Look, George, the daisy field. Let's go skipping!

[yellerpup]

4. Mubarak has been dictator for 30 year.

The USA subsidizes "Egypt" (dictator) to the tune of $1.2 billion per year and the Mubarak family has $40 billion in savings. No wonder he's holding Bush's hand so tightly.

Edit for punctuation.

[flvegan]

5. The male ego alone?

:popcorn:

[WillyT]

6. No... Not Alone.. But If You Were To Make Lists Of Males And Females That Headed Murderous Regimes..

I'm pretty sure you know which list would be longer... by miles.

:shrug:

[SidDithers]

10. Yeah. Women tend to just kill their children...

What a POS thread.

Sid

[WillyT]

17. Didn't Know You Were A "Pro-Lifer"

Good info.

[SidDithers]

21. I'm talking drowning them in the bathtub...

or cutting off their arms with a kitchen knife.

I'm not talking abortion, which I have completely and vocally supported at DU.

Didn't know that you defend those kinds of mothers. Good info.

Sid

[WillyT]

23. So... You Are Trying To Tell Me, That The Numbers Of Women That Have Killed Their Children...

AFTER their kids were born, is greater than Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, The Inquisition, and every fucking war fought by... MAN???

Really... REALLY???

Wow.

:banghead:

[SidDithers]

33. You must not read very well...

or perhaps your hatred of men has clouded your ability to understand simple English.

What I said was women kill their own children, often in horrific ways. You're the one bringing numbers into it, defending these child killers because they haven't killed nearly as many as the greatest murderers in history.

Why do you think women killing their own kids is OK?

Sid

[WillyT]

36. Likewise...

Regarding reading... The Op:

"If You Ever Needed Proof That The Male Ego Can, And Has, Threatened/Exinguished Millions Of Lives"

It was exactly about the Male Ego, and Numbers.

It was about the ability of the male ego, to cause far more widespread damage... throughout history.

:shrug:

[SidDithers]

40. Right. The male and female egos act out in different ways...

men kill for power and conquest.

Women, without those opportunities, kill their own children.

Yet you excuse that infanticide, because it doesn't rise to the level of "millions of lives".

Shame.

Sid

[WillyT]

47. Dear Sid... There Is No Possible Way You Can Shame Me...

Is this your main issue ???

I'd like to learn more, are there some good links I should consider?

:hi:

[SidDithers]

48. Yes. I can see that you're without shame...

:hi:

Sid

[WillyT]

50. What... No Links ???

:D

[seabeyond]

66. barely more women kill their children under 1. after one more men kill their children.

your point would be?

just saying. men kill there children, over all, more than women.

that being said, backing out of this whole thread. not my thing

[dflprincess]

51. "perhaps your hatred of men has clouded your ability to understand simple English.."

Umm, Sid - check WillyT's profile - he is a man.

And, yes, there have been cases of women killing their children in horrible ways - but a lot of men have done also killed their kids in terrible ways - often times just to spite the kids' mom.

[LanternWaste]

93. I imagine many justify their positions

I imagine many justify their positions by use of degrees rather than critical and fundamental reasons. Much easier to validate one's belief system that way...

[WatsonT]

55. Drowing your kids

and getting an abortion are two very different things.

When you equate them that makes the anti-abortion folks' job that much easier.

[Control-Z]

28. Oh, yeah.

That's a big tendency with women. A lot of us do that. Oh, wait. No, we don't. There have been a few cases over the years so shocking they made the national news. For the most part, women protect children.

Men, though, have killed their own children often enough that it's no longer always a big news item when they do. I find that very sad.

There is seriously no argument that men have a bigger tendency to be violent.

[SidDithers]

37. Sure. But I thought we were playing "broad-brush smears agains an entire gender"...nt

Sid

[mythology]

53. Actually the numbers on which parent kills their kid(s) is about even

http://www.slate.com/id/2063086/

In the article it's pointed out that women who kill their kid(s) are more likely to be hospitalized whereas men are far more likely to be sent to prison or given the death penalty.

Incidentally women are also more likely to abuse/neglect their children than men are.

http://faq.acf.hhs.gov/cgi-bin/acfrightnow.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=70

[WatsonT]

56. Don't use stats!

Men are evil. End of story.

[Control-Z]

103. Men actually still have women beat

when it comes to killing their biological children, though not by much. However, when you include all children, those of step parents and boyfriends and girlfriends the numbers are significantly higher for men, as expected. (You can google those figures)

When you consider the amount of time women spend with children compared to men, I would be surprised if women weren't the ones guilty of more of the neglect/abuse. I wonder what the ratio of abuse is to the amount of time spent with children. Poverty plays a large role in these situations as do numerous other factors. Clearly, women and children would benefit from better support systems and social services like daycare and healthcare, and affordable reproductive services.

But the right will keep trying to force poor women to push out more babies and then deny them much needed help.

Edit to add: I was mistaken to say "their own" children in my original reply. Again, the higher stats for men include step-children, adopted children, girlfriend's children...

"Men, though, have killed their own children often enough that it's no longer always a big news item when they do."

And I also want to add that I'm sure men would benefit from more and better social services, though I'm not sure how much or what services since their motivations are often different than women's.

[WatsonT]

89. Oh, yeah.

That's a big tendency with men. A lot of us do that. Oh, wait. No, we don't. There have been a few cases over the years so shocking they make the national news. For the most part, men protect children.

BTW: compare the number of men killed attempted to rescue women to the number of women killed attempting to rescue men.

[Control-Z]

104. See, now that doesn't work for snark

because I never said that men had a tendency to kill their children. It was another poster who claimed women had that tendency.

Men do tend to be more violent in general, however.

[uncommon]

127. You think that the "male ego" or self-importance bred into males for centuries and

the violence of men upon other men, women and children is not a thing? Not a valid subject for discussion? It's just a made up construct?

lol

[flvegan]

11. "Extinguished millions of lives"

that's what we're talking about, right? Probably fairly even in that case.

[WillyT]

18. All I've Got Is Cleopatra, Katherine The Great, And Maggie Thatcher...

Who am I missing?

:shrug:

:evilgrin:

[EFerrari]

27. Mary Tudor, Elizabeth Tudor.

Mary was bloodthirsty, Elizabeth was a pirate. :)

[opiate69]

29. Elizabet Bathory, Bloody Mary, Isabele I, ...

[WatsonT]

90. Mrs. Bathory was a good one

apparently women (most women in fact to use the same tactic as the poster) are so vain they're willing to kill hundreds to satisfy their desire to look prettier.

You never see men doing that.

[flvegan]

42. For starters

everyone who eats meat, cheese, eggs.

Come on, you've got to remember who you're talking to.

[EstimatedProphet]

43. Ilse Koch, for one

Talk about sick...

[Hannah Bell]

117. golda meier, elizabeth 1...queen victoria..

[defendandprotect]

70. Not even .... and you have to include the Vatican and male-supremacist religion in your

calculations --

Yikes!

[WatsonT]

54. And that would be a fair study

because there are exactly as many female heads of state as there have been male heads of state.

[GOTV]

79. If you were to make a list of males and females that headed benevolent regimes...

... I'm pretty sure you know which list would be longer... by miles.

There are so many more regimes headed by men that no matter how you slice the universe of regimes, there would be more men heading them.

[KurtNYC]

110. Mubarak went down with very little fight.

how does that equal "murdering millions"? Said he was "fed up" with being dictator, hedged, then resigned.

[Taverner]

7. I was going to say - Men don't have a monopoly on ego

Just talk to an Heiress

[defendandprotect]

12. No ... but they've used violence to gain and hold onto power ....

including overturning women -- and disappearing women --

and that still goes on --



Sexist portrayals of women as dangerous and unhinged are statistically inaccurate. Men are three times more likely to be diagnosed with antisocial personality disorders, men are more likely to be stalkers, and men are up to 10 times more likely to commit violent crime.

[musette_sf]

22. + 1

for truth.

[Taverner]

52. Well yeah, people suck

Anyone who has power can be corrupted - and men do most of the violence - but consider our culture

[defendandprotect]

62. Patriarchy creates our culture .... !!

And you can't miss that what they're aiming for is a violent society --

and violent males. And GOPs/NRA is one way to move that along in a hurry!!

[WatsonT]

64. People in power

have used force to stay in power and force their will on others.

People in power have mostly been men.

You have a causation/correlation issue here.

[defendandprotect]

71. It's mainly men, because men have overturned women and stay in power by force ...

[WatsonT]

84. I see you've already made up your mind

yes yes, men are evil and should be exterminated.

[defendandprotect]

133. Interesting how YOU over and again state the most vile ...

of notions -- and then try to suggest that someone else has proposed them!

Let us know when you find a female-Taliban --

or a female-Vatican --

or a female-Bible as vile and violent as that which Genesis and Christianity are based upon --

or a female-MIC --


:rofl:

[undeterred]

8. The male ego has been really shitty to women throughout recorded history.

What exactly is the subject of this post? :shrug:

[WillyT]

9. "Do Not Humiliate Mubarak"

The guy who authorized the electrification (torture) of his citizen's gonads, should not be humiliated at this time?

:puke::puke::puke:

Fucking amazing...

[undeterred]

15. I am fine with humiliating Mubarak

and his brothers and other male relatives also at this time.

[defendandprotect]

14. Let me add -- to women -- the MAJORITY gender ---

Nature favors women!

[Codeine]

13. Put enough women in power and you'll get a fair selection of female dictators.

Ridiculous to assume men have a monopoly on ego, greed, or lust for power.

[Poll_Blind]

16. Thank you, Codeine. Sad that you even have to bring up such an obvious point but...

...I guess that's where we're at.

PB

[WillyT]

19. Well Hell Then... I Guess We Should Continue To Keep Women Down...

Why double the trouble?

:shrug:

[undeterred]

24. Stinkin thinkin gone wild.

[WatsonT]

57. Nope.

Men are evil. Women are good. Stop using reason in an inherently emotional based argument.

[defendandprotect]

131. Try addressing the issue of male violence in our society --

[seabeyond]

76. yup. nt

[woo me with science]

85. You are remarkably clear-sighted

despite all that codeine.

[Rage for Order]

20. I blame the vagina

[undeterred]

25. All those teeth.

[RandomKoolzip]

26. Men have been responsible for most of the oppression and sorrow the world has suffered

since time immemorial. But still - come on, this is kind of a dumb thread.

[WillyT]

30. So Because It Is Both True And Obvious, We Should Just Move On ???

I was infuriated by the Suadi Guy who warned us not to "humiliate" Mubarak.

Why... Tienanmen Square Version 2.0?

I don't want that either, but...

WE HAVE TO PROTECT HOSNI MUBARAK'S DELICATE SENSIBILITIES TO KEEP HIM FROM KILLING THOUSANDS???

:wtf:

[Codeine]

31. Ever humiliate a woman?

Seriously, it's about EGO, not male ego. You bruise an egotistical person's sensibilities enough and they get nutty and stupid no matter what sort of genitalia they're packing.

[WillyT]

34. True... But The Ability To Strike Out, Strike Back, Take Revenge, Massacre...

Has pretty much been the province of men.

:shrug:

[Codeine]

35. But you blamed the male ego.

It's patriarchal power structures that have created the imbalance, not any particular aspect of masculinity or femininity at work. Like I said, had women held similar levels of power historically they'd have the same record. Those who HAVE held power tend to prove that.

[WillyT]

45. Ok... And Having Been Born In 1955, It's The Only "Model" I've Seen In Reality...

Hopefully it will start to go away... from BOTH genders, although I find it hard to blame women for shit they MOSTLY haven't done... yet...

... according to the implications of your post, they just might do if given the chance.

:shrug:

[Rex]

75. Yes history does show that to be true.

Not so sure about contemporary history.

[EstimatedProphet]

41. The problem with your argument

You're stating, in effect:
Most violence has been caused by male egos
Therefore, male egos cause violence.

Your conclusion is not valid. You are, intentionally or not, claiming that being male likely causes violence in and of itself. Is masculinity a cause of violence?

[SidDithers]

44. +1...

well said.

Sid

[WillyT]

49. Well... I'll Give You That It Ain't As Easy As I Posted, But...

Have you ever seen Roid Rage???

I have, many times, and that's from an overdose of something that mimics male testosterone.

Anabolic steroids, technically known as anabolic-androgen steroids (AAS) or colloquially simply as "steroids" or "'roids", are drugs which mimic the effects of the male sex hormones testosterone and dihydrotestosterone. They increase protein synthesis within cells, which results in the buildup of cellular tissue (anabolism), especially in muscles. Anabolic steroids also have androgenic and virilizing properties, including the development and maintenance of masculine characteristics such as the growth of the vocal cords and body hair. The word anabolic comes from the Greek ἀναβολή anabole, "that which is thrown up, mound", and the word androgenic from the Greek ἀνδρός andros, "of a man" + -γενής -genes, "born".

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid

Is there an equivalent substance, AND EFFECT, from any Estrogen like substances?

Did not find one instance of the word "Rage" in this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estrogen

:shrug:

:hi:

[WatsonT]

59. So men are naturally violent

because if you drug them with synthetic hormones to a dangerous and unnatural level they become violent?

Men also produce estrogen and women produce testosterone. The differences in ratios are not as big as you might think.

[defendandprotect]

132. We need to start to acknowledge male violence...

then we might be able to begin to figure out the why of it --

[WatsonT]

58. Not exactly

it's been the province of those in power. Most in power have been male.

Show me an alternate world where women have traditionally been in charge that has experienced no war and violence and I will concede the point. Otherwise you're making a causative statement based on a correlation. (that's not a good thing)

[WillyT]

61. I Don't Live In An "Alternate" World, I Live In This One

And the scoreboard shows deaths caused by men, leading by millions upon millions...

G'Nite... gotta be at work at 5:00am.

:hi:

[WatsonT]

63. Exactly

so your hypothesis cannot be tested, meaning it has no value.

Can you at least concede that while men are by far the most violent gender apparently they are also the most brilliant? Look a list of our greatest inventors, innovators, business leaders, nobel prize winners, and revolutionaries: overwhelmingly men. Clearly women can't compete in those arenas.

So put up with our violence if you want anything more than a stone age existence.

[EOTE]

81. Thank you.

This is a ridiculously stupid and offensive OP. If a male had posted anything remotely as sexist, it would have been deleted immediately. If the OP is going to make such a hateful, broad brush comment, he/she should realize the other broad brush comments that have to go along with it.

[WatsonT]

87. Further proof that

women are incapable of running a fortune 500 company. Just look at how few have managed to do so successfully. Most of the brilliant leaders, innovators, scientists, doctors, and nobel prize winners have been men.

Clearly the male ego not only produces violence but also intelligence and drive that women cannot match.

So apparently women should be kept out of leadership roles in business or else they'd just drive the company in to the ground.

/same logic, likely would receive a different response here.

[defendandprotect]

72. Exactly, women have conducted a NON-VIOLENT revolution for thousands and thousands

of years!!

[SoCalDem]

77. When you are handling a poisonous snake, FIRST

you get control of it without being bitten, and THEN you put it in a cage:)

[lonestarnot]

32. Kissy faced fuckers.

[Throd]

38. Women just haven't been afforded the same opportunity.

[defendandprotect]

73. No -- women are continuing on with a non-violent revolution to overturn their oppression...

[WatsonT]

88. Is it your contention that women

by nature are non-violent?

[defendandprotect]

91. Don't think violence is natural to any humans -- rather it is taught ...

that's the conclusion of any who study it --

See: Howard Zinn on that -- he made a terrific video commenting on it --

However, yes I think women well understand that life can only be lived in PEACE --

war is actualy said by many to be "war on women and children."

And nature favors females -- we are the majority -- 52% -- 54% -- perhaps more?



And, just a PS on that -- notice also that patriarchy has often tried to suggest

the violence of the African American here -- yet, the African-American has also

conducted a non-violent revolution against their own oppression here.

In fact, there have been many "false flag" attempts to suggest an African-American

racist uprising in America -- fortunately, all exposed!

[WatsonT]

102. So if it's taught then who teaches it?

More kids are raised by just mothers than just fathers. Likewise most teachers for youngsters are women.

So clearly the female is more responsible for teaching the next generation their values than the male. Ergo: primarily women are teaching these men to be violent.

Why are women such awful teachers?

Should we ban women from having contact with their kids to prevent them from raising further monsters?

[defendandprotect]

105. Women are great teachers, of course ... that's why it takes the miliary so long

and so much work to turn their sons into murderers!

There is also a turning point in the right wing trying to create a violent

American society -- it begins right after the coup on JFK --

Drug War was a large part of it, as well -- GOPs/NRA and guns -- gun lobbyists

and gun industry.

MIC which Ike warned us about --

All down the line, the right wing has been working overtime to create the

impression of -- and the reality of a violent American society.

In fact, look at teenagers -- always the target of the right wing -- who are

more peaceful than adults -- but always the attempts to portray them as violent.

Probably because if there are revolts, it comes from youth -- easier for the

right wing if their propaganda creates mistrust of youth.

We've had a few incidents where teenagers were alleged involved in school attacks --

murder/suicide at Columbine -- for instance. Many warning signs which were ignored.

Plus -- as Michael Moore pointed out in his movie -- this was a community of people

involved in weapons production for military. That sets an entire town up fairly

well for right wing thinking -- and paranoia. At least one of the boys seems to have

been taking prescription drugs -- don't recall all of the details about this right

now - haven't thought about it lately -- but it's certainly another of these violent

incidents which should be quesitoned. Right wing can only rise on violence --

political violence -- and all violence.

Well -- stolen elections/computers, of course, and money to corrupt everyone with!


Also keep in mind that patriarchy is founded in violence -- the Bible was written to

cement patriarchy. Think of the "Hammer of Witches" as well. Patriarchy is always

setting females up to be victimized, always preaching their subordination -- and

intolerance for them. From the very beginning of patriarchy that is true.

Patriarchy is at war with nature -- and women. And, by extension, with children.

And it's a suicidal war by the "bird with one wing" -- !!

[WatsonT]

115. Nope sorry

you can't let women off the hook so easy. Someone had to teach all those people who went on to form your dreaded patriarchy. And those were overwhelmingly women.

Women then are to blame for all the worlds ills: both those they are directly responsible for and for the actions of all the men who they helped raise.

Shame on you women!

[defendandprotect]

120. Nonsense ...

Women did teach in our schools --

and they taught from texts based on "white male propaganda" --

Don't know what the latest thinking may be on the overturning of women --

but most come to the realization that there was a male resentment of females --

and then males recognized that NATURE was actually "to blame" for putting women into

the role of creating life and not men.

See: Mary Shelley's "Frankenstein" and Mel Brooks ... is it "Son of Frankenstein"?


What the trigger was -- famine, most say -- came from somewhere behind Germany/Turkey.

Men riding in and attacking. 50,000 years of attacking females.

Total overturning of female-centered societies.

But, again, took an underlying resentment. And a male culture which was homo-social.

In order for patriarchy to come about that had to be changed. Didn't provide for

enough new life -- labor. More males had to be convinced to give up homo-social

banding and live with females to create more possibilities for procreation.

Even the Pope only a few years ago in an unprecedented way appeared before a congregation

of the Italian government elected officials to plead with them to "MAKE ITALIAN WOMEN

HAVE MORE CHILDREN!" -- Did he cite LOVE for children or recommend assistance for mothers?

No -- he pleaded for the sake of the future needs of capitalists for labor!


As I've said before, women do not TEACH males -- it is males who teach males.

Remember, the subject is actually "HIS STORY" --

Put on your TV and note who appears -- women are disappeared except as toilet bowl

cleaners. These are strong messages from males to males.

Look at your daily newspaper and the disappearing of women from the front pages --

Look at our films -- generation after generation of buddy films -- when all else fails,

make another war movie!! How many war movies have their been where war is de-glorified

or where there is even an ambiguous message? Over 80 years, I'd guess about a half dozen!

Check how many glorify war in one way or another.


you can't let women off the hook so easy. Someone had to teach all those people who went on to form your dreaded patriarchy. And those were overwhelmingly women.

Your question also reminds me of the study where almost every college male queried

ANONYMOUSLY said that they would rape if they were sure they could get away with it.

Do you honestly think that Mothers teach their sons to rape women?

Other studies which showed how many females are actually raped in our society, led

Phyllis Shafly to shock and attempts at denial. Shafly's reaction was: "That would

mean that all of our sons are rapists!" Think about that.

There's a fantastic book out right now called PORNLAND exposing organized pornography

-- run by private corporations with huge profits -- for what it actually is -- an

organized propaganda to debase and dehumanize females. How many females do you think are

running these corporations? How many males do you think view this organized porn on

the internet? How many are addicted to it?


Women then are to blame for all the worlds ills: both those they are directly responsible for and for the actions of all the men who they helped raise.

Shame on you women!


Did women write the Bible?

Did women invent organized patriarchal religion?




* "Boys measure everything they say and everything they do by this yardstick --

'Will this make me look weak?'"



* "The worship of muscular male form is the weakness of men and not of women."


* "Is it not remarkable, that so little attention is paid to man's underlying fear and

dread of women...

And that his hatred should be overlooked even by its victims, the women, themselves."



* "Start with creation of HELL -- and Christianity recreating the fear of HELL --

the burning inferno --

What else has man created but HELL itself in the bomb .. .?!"


* "Patriarchy and violence are mirror images of one another --"

[WatsonT]

122. You keep failing at this

you point out how awful men are while conceding that women overwhelmingly have been responsible for raising them.

So women are wonderful and perfect in every way, but for some reason are complete failures at raising children: half of whom go on to be violent murderous genocidal beasts apparently.

/your arguments are in essence no different than those of folks who stated conclusively in the 1950s and earlier that the negro is incapable of living in proper society, is violence prone, and must be raised properly by others to be at best tolerable in polite society.

[defendandprotect]

125. No - we have a culture created by males for males -- which teaches males ...

Males and females are very quickly also turned over to male institutions --

toddlers are in Christian schools learning male-dominated religion --

So women are wonderful and perfect in every way, but for some reason are complete failures at raising children: half of whom go on to be violent murderous genocidal beasts apparently.

Only YOU are making that statement -- though what is being said is that males are generally

violent -- a problem for society.


/your arguments are in essence no different than those of folks who stated conclusively in the 1950s and earlier that the negro is incapable of living in proper society, is violence prone, and must be raised properly by others to be at best tolerable in polite society.

If anyone but YOU ever said that, it must have been Sen. Strom Thurmond using the Bible as

a source. You remember that violent and vile book, written by men, for men?




Bye --

[WatsonT]

126. I take it back

you aren't like the racists of old. You're like the folks who no matter what see the jews as the problem.

They've apparently been behind every war ever fought. And those they seemingly had no direct hand in? Well they created a culture that allowed for it to happen.

You have started with the conclusion: all men are evil. And now work to fit all the data in to that conclusion. You're a sexist, plain an simple and if you were to direct a tenth of this hatred towards women you'd be banned within a day.

[defendandprotect]

130. Only YOU are suggesting --

the nonsense you're spouting --

you aren't like the racists of old. You're like the folks who no matter what see the jews as the problem.

They've apparently been behind every war ever fought. And those they seemingly had no direct hand in? Well they created a culture that allowed for it to happen.

You have started with the conclusion: all men are evil. And now work to fit all the data in to that conclusion. You're a sexist, plain an simple and if you were to direct a tenth of this hatred towards women you'd be banned within a day.

This is a society which refuses to acknowledge the male violence -- and you seem to like

it that way!

[Swede]

39. Shame on their mothers for not teaching him them proper ways.

[RedCloud]

46. What about all the billions of dead sperm cells each day each male?

Why doesn't God allow each of them to find an egg and a non natural abortion womb? And no reabsorbed fetal partners?

[WatsonT]

60. The equivalent to this post is

men make better business leaders than women. Consider how many top business leaders are male rather than female. From that alone it's clear that men are naturally better at it.

You could make the same statement with whites over minorities (blacks are apparently not suited to running plantations because look how few managed to do so).

[RegieRocker]

65. That would be the human ego.

There have been matriarchal periods too.

[Rex]

67. Thanks for the pic...a real keeper!

I will put it right next to my 'RummyLovesSaddam' pic! At least they can't travel to any part of the world they want...could end up in prison! Snicker.

[snooper2]

68. So, after all, she would invite them to her house turn them into pigs and eating them

--there was not one kind of Strife alone, but all over the earth there are two. As for the one, a man would praise her when he came to understand her; but the other is blameworthy: and they are wholly different in nature.
For one fosters evil war and battle, being cruel: her no man loves; but perforce, through the will of the deathless gods, men pay harsh Strife her honour due.

But the other is the elder daughter of dark Night (Nyx), and the son of Cronus who sits above and dwells in the aether, set her in the roots of the earth: and she is far kinder to men. She stirs up even the shiftless to toil; for a man grows eager to work when he considers his neighbour, a rich man who hastens to plough and plant and put his house in good order; and neighbour vies with his neighbour as he hurries after wealth. This Strife is wholesome for men. And potter is angry with potter, and craftsman with craftsman, and beggar is jealous of beggar, and minstrel of minstrel.

From Hesiod's "Works and Days" - Goddess Eris


Just saying :)

[Hello_Kitty]

95. You're really answering the OP with mythology?

Shit, why not invoke Lilith and Eve while you're at it? And the various wicked witches of fairy tales?

[CanuckAmok]

69. nice to see that even after my prolonged absence...

Misandry - in the form of generalized wholesale condemnation of men based on the actions of a few of them - is still wholly acceptable here.

[seabeyond]

74. he is a real man hater, isnt he.

:sarcasm:

[EOTE]

82. Yes, and extremely adept at making stupid, broad brush comments. NT

[defendandprotect]

78. At this moment, we have to acknowlege and CHEER the young males of Egypt -- who with LOVE

and NON-VIOLENCE have overturned a dictator --

not that females weren't also present -- and important -- and essential --

but many males have died for this cause.

[Yavin4]

80. Margaret Thatcher with General Pinochet

UK Thatcher Stands by Pinochet: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/304516.stm

Joshua Rozenberg reports: "The photo opportunity we'd waited five months to see"
Lady Thatcher thanked her old friend for being an ally during the 1982 Falklands War - and for "bringing democracy to Chile".

"I know how much we owed to you for your help," she said.

"The information you gave us, communications, and also the refuge you gave to any of our armed forces who were able, if they were shipwrecked, to make their way to Chile."

[eShirl]

83. unrec for sexist thread title

[yawnmaster]

86. Why put the blame on males? why not on their mothers? did they not raise them right??

of course, I'm being sarcastic.
I look forward to your comments.

[defendandprotect]

92. Actually, when single mothers raise sons they seem to be less violent --

too often women make the mistake of turning sons over to their fathers for

advice and training! Then you learn years later that they learned nothing of value!!

[yawnmaster]

98. so if women stopped making mistakes things would be better?

sarcasm once again

[defendandprotect]

99. Turning children over to fathers is patriarchal propaganda ...

Females as well as males are often vulnerable to propaganda --

it's not a mistake -- it's a right wing brain-washing!

[yawnmaster]

101. how does one decide what is propaganda? eom

[defendandprotect]

106. When you see ....

"Whites Only" drinking fountains --

Nazi films portraying Jews as "rats running in the gutters" --

Actual witch hunts -- "Hammer of Witches" -- and McCarthy Era --

Repetition of emotional slogans intended to short circuit any actual thought --

Right wing is doing it all the time -- you must have noticed "partial birth abortion"?

For too long in America we have ignored right wing propaganda in our society --

propaganda of hate, intolerance, demonization of others.

Vatican is one of the original masters of propaganda and purveyors of it --

whether re Jews, or women, or homosexuals, Native Americans, pagans, Africans --

everyone was the enemy!

Even after the French and Italians forcibly closed the Vaticans Jewish Ghettos --

where Jews had been kept isolated from society by the Vatican for 1,100 years or more --

the Vatican began a 100 year campaign of propaganda vs Jews -- "Blood Libel" was one of them!

The "yellow stars" they forced Jews to wear in these ghettos was "propaganda" --

The fact that they were not permitted to mingle socially with other citizens was

"propaganda" against them -- barred from education, careers, professions -- all propaganda

to suggest that there was something unsuitable, inhuman about Jews.

That Vatican propaganda vs Jews is what made Europe fertile ground for Hitler's own

propaganda campaign against the Jews. And the Holocust, of course.

Also look at the pornography industry --

it's simply organized propaganda vs women to degrade and demean them.

[WatsonT]

116. Statistically that is untrue

Children of single moms are shown time and again to be more prone to be violent criminals later in life.

Women, it seems, need to be kept away from children.

[Darth_Kitten]

118. No, actually you are wrong.

Children of single parents are less spoiled, more resourceful, and actually RESPECT their parent for the efforts they make. How does that make them more violent in life?

Nice try. :eyes:

[WatsonT]

121. False

your statement is entirely false. I'm sorry if you feel otherwise but I'm basing my statements on evidence, rather than feelings.

More likely to end up in prison for violent criminal behavior is something that can be statistically measured, and has been, repeatedly.

Less spoiled more resourceful and respectful is a matter of opinion and cannot be measured statistically.

I'm stating facts, you're stating opinions. Perhaps that is why we are in disagreement.

[Darth_Kitten]

123. You'd have to be a more open-minded, fair individual to see where I'm coming from.

I take it you think you are always right about everything?

Maybe you should learn to be less condescending and self-righteous; how dare you presume I'm basing my statements on feelings? :eyes:
It may come as a shock to you, but most criminals started off with both a mother and a father. :sarcasm:

But since you want feelings and opinions, here's one:

Boys don't learn to demean and abuse women based on their mothers supporting them solely; they would learn that in TWO parent homes. So there.

Maybe you shouldn't let your FEELINGS about women get in the way? I mean, it's always so easy to bash mothers, isn't it? :sarcasm:

[WatsonT]

124. Statistics isn't about being openminded/fair

it's about looking at what the numbers actually tell you. You can feel that one piece of art is better than another. Or that one type of pie is superior to a different type.

But 4 will always be more than 3. The definition of mean/median/mode, etc will not change.

"I take it you think you are always right about everything? "

Not everything. But this is common knowledge. Based on math. Can't get much more clear than that. If I were to say that the boiling point of pure water at sea-level is 100 degrees Celsius would it be because I'm some arrogant condescending know-it-all, or because that's simply the truth as revealed by numerous unbiased studies?

"It may come as a shock to you, but most criminals started off with both a mother and a father. "

When the discussion is on how they are raised that doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is . . . how they are raised.

"Boys don't learn to demean and abuse women based on their mothers supporting them solely; they would learn that in TWO parent homes. So there. "

According to this thread every single male learns to abuse and murder not just women but everyone, from birth it would seem. Parents I suppose are superfluous. Us evil males could be raised by a ficus and still turn out to be murderous sociopaths.

"Maybe you shouldn't let your FEELINGS about women get in the way? I mean, it's always so easy to bash mothers, isn't it?"

You'll notice all my statements about mothers are a direct mirror image to the negative statements put up about fathers by other users, prior to me saying anything.

I'm sure you're equally outraged at the stereotyping of all men in such a manner.

[defendandprotect]

134. Of course, it would be "unfair" to suggest that ...

single mothers are a source for male violence -- especially when we understand that

many of these women were ESCAPING situations of domestic violence --

And, young males who have seen their fathers acting violently towards their mothers

will often, themselves, repeat this behavior.


This is also interesting --



Added to these two basic conditions is the fact that violence is tolerated and glorified in most industrialized countries, and is culturally linked to appropriate male behavior. Children are exposed to violent male sports, and to television programs, films, and electronic games with mostly violent male protagonists. Little boys are given toy soldiers, guns, and other war paraphernalia with which to play. Story books and school text books often glorify war, a predominantly masculine activity, and describe great male conquerors as heroes. Many parents are pleased when their sons fight back in self-defense with playground bullies, and adults worry about boys who refuse to fight. Combined with the fact that boys are expected to be tough and not cry, it is not surprising that men commit more violent crimes than women. If we were to purposely design a culture with the goal of producing violent people, we would create it exactly like the culture in which most modern boys grow up.

To prevent violence, we must, first, stop perpetrating violence on children. This means no spanking or hitting. We also need to protect children from violent scenes on television or videos. We must change the messages about violence that we give to boys, and expect the same standards of nonviolent behavior from boys that we expect from girls.

Furthermore, both boys and girls must be allowed to cry and rage. Otherwise, they harbor unresolved anger, resentments, frustrations, and fears that they may act out as violence toward others or themselves. Crying can be very effective in dissipating aggressive energy. Much of the emotional pain of childhood is an inevitable part of growing and learning. Children get hurt and experience stress even with the most caring parents and teachers. It is therefore vitally important to allow the natural healing mechanisms of crying and raging.

http://www.awareparenting.com/violence.htm

[WatsonT]

137. I am aware of your bigotry

no need to expound on it. You will never, ever, under any circumstances, accept an answer that doesn't place 100% of the blame on males. A population you seem to wish to see wiped out.

I get it. It's not an interesting or insightful line of conversation however.

[defendandprotect]

138. Now you've gone from desperate to pitiful ... any "bigotry" here is YOURS ....

Each of your posts PROJECTS your own biases and vile thinking --

with no sign of actual debate --

You're on "IGNORE" --

[WatsonT]

140. Yeah . . I'm the one

who decided to label approximately one half of the entire worlds population as violent genocidal maniacs.

[Hello_Kitty]

96. How about their fathers?

[yawnmaster]

97. I was being sarcastic regarding the blanket blame on male egos...

the sarcasm wouldn't work blaming male fathers.

[LanternWaste]

94. I imagine male ego is was instrumental in removing Mubarak, also.

I imagine male ego is was instrumental in removing Mubarak, also.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other... :shrug:

[defendandprotect]

100. No -- Mubarak is gone because of youth and male COURAGE with a great

assist from women, of course!

And I acknowledged that in a comment further up on the thread!

However, like every other issue there is a line which comes down on most

values --

Anger can be positve --

Love -- if possessive -- is not healthy --

Power isn't always used for evil -- FDR used it for good --

On and on -- always a dividing line --

In the case of Egyptians, their egos provided for a noble, dignified approach to dealing

with their enemies -- non-violence -- LOVING treatment of even those who attacked

them, sparing their lives!

[LanternWaste]

129. Seems like everything you mentioned is applicable to both men and women.

Seems like everything you mentioned is applicable to both men and women. :shrug:

[MisterP]

107. it's the devil's joystick! cause of all ills!

http://www.regretsy.com/2009/11/04/stranger-danger-nsfw/

[Moral_Imagination]

108. Lets just kill all men

Its the only humane... huwomane... thing to do :patriot:

[RandomThoughts]

109. Great read.

Not many catch that, there was a soldier servant comment in that Dogma clip.

Although it is an interpretation that gets confusing, since it does not include healing concepts. I think it phrases wrongly.

And although he comments on idolatry, most likely a Moses comment, that was not the reason for his actions in that scene, or the lady would not have been innocent, I find that really interesting also. So it is not the Muslim attitude on that commandment as much as just something added into the scene.

But again it was actually the Loki and other guy that were the ones wrong in that film, so it is more about wrong hurting wrong. But a fascinating film.

Not sure who added in the Newman part, it is even a bit close to the movie the Hustler, but think that was an edit and ignore it since it contradicts with memory.

[Moral_Imagination]

111. What? lol Random Thoughts indeed. n/t

[RandomThoughts]

112. You were responding to another post.

thought you knew that, guess not.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4730713&mesg_id=4730716

[Moral_Imagination]

113. Go to bed

:think:

[defendandprotect]

135. Male culture/environment is killing them -- but they're taking us all with them -- !!

From the ever lower and lower sperm count to

Global Warming -- and NATURE will play the final cards --

a gift of Patriachy's capitalism -- !!

[joshcryer]

114. The male ego would be nothing without the state.

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[Bluenorthwest]

128. You see it as male or female, but I think it is the heterosexual ego

to blame, in both genders of the straight dynamic.

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[CBGLuthier]

139. Yeah, well women birthed the bastards. Plenty of blame to go around.