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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 01:06 PM
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Are We Witnessing the Start of a Global Revolution?
Edited on Thu Jan-27-11 01:18 PM by GliderGuider
Are We Witnessing the Start of a Global Revolution?
North Africa and the Global Political Awakening, Part 1

by Andrew Gavin Marshall


For the first time in human history almost all of humanity is politically activated, politically conscious and politically interactive... The resulting global political activism is generating a surge in the quest for personal dignity, cultural respect and economic opportunity in a world painfully scarred by memories of centuries-long alien colonial or imperial domination... The worldwide yearning for human dignity is the central challenge inherent in the phenomenon of global political awakening... That awakening is socially massive and politically radicalizing... The nearly universal access to radio, television and increasingly the Internet is creating a community of shared perceptions and envy that can be galvanized and channeled by demagogic political or religious passions. These energies transcend sovereign borders and pose a challenge both to existing states as well as to the existing global hierarchy, on top of which America still perches...

Zbigniew Brzezinski


An uprising in Tunisia led to the overthrow of the countrys 23-year long dictatorship of President Ben Ali. A new transitional government was formed, but the protests continued demanding a totally new government without the relics of the previous tyranny. Protests in Algeria have continued for weeks, as rage mounts against rising food prices, corruption and state oppression. Protests in Jordan forced the King to call on the military to surround cities with tanks and set up checkpoints. Tens of thousands of protesters marched on Cairo demanding an end to the 30-year dictatorship of Hosni Mubarak. Thousands of activists, opposition leaders and students rallied in the capitol of Yemen against the corrupt dictatorship of President Saleh, in power since 1978. Saleh has been, with U.S. military assistance, attempting to crush a rebel movement in the north and a massive secessionist movement growing in the south, called the Southern Movement. Protests in Bolivia against rising food prices forced the populist government of Evo Morales to backtrack on plans to cut subsidies. Chile erupted in protests as demonstrators railed against rising fuel prices. Anti-government demonstrations broke out in Albania, resulting in the deaths of several protesters.

It seems as if the world is entering the beginnings of a new revolutionary era: the era of the Global Political Awakening. While this awakening is materializing in different regions, different nations and under different circumstances, it is being largely influenced by global conditions. The global domination by the major Western powers, principally the United States, over the past 65 years, and more broadly, centuries, is reaching a turning point. The people of the world are restless, resentful, and enraged. Change, it seems, is in the air. As the above quotes from Brzezinski indicate, this development on the world scene is the most radical and potentially dangerous threat to global power structures and empire. It is not a threat simply to the nations in which the protests arise or seek change, but perhaps to a greater degree, it is a threat to the imperial Western powers, international institutions, multinational corporations and banks that prop up, arm, support and profit from these oppressive regimes around the world. Thus, America and the West are faced with a monumental strategic challenge: what can be done to stem the Global Political Awakening? Zbigniew Brzezinski is one of the chief architects of American foreign policy, and arguably one of the intellectual pioneers of the system of globalization. Thus, his warnings about the 'Global Political Awakening' are directly in reference to its nature as a threat to the prevailing global hierarchy. As such, we must view the 'Awakening' as the greatest hope for humanity. Certainly, there will be mainy failures, problems, and regressions; but the 'Awakening' has begun, it is underway, and it cannot be so easily co-opted or controlled as many might assume.

This rising discontent will spread from the developing world to the comfort of our own homes in the West. Once the harsh realization sets in that the economy is not in recovery, but rather in a Depression, and once our governments in the West continue on their path of closing down the democratic faade and continue dismantling rights and freedoms, increasing surveillance and control, while pushing increasingly militaristic and war-mongering foreign policies around the world (mostly in an effort to quell or crush the global awakening being experienced around the world), we in the West will come to realize that We are all Tunisians.

The tempo of radical change appears to be quickening on all fronts around the world. Food prices are rising in the face of supply limits and the ecological impacts of over-exploitation and climate change. Energy prices are rising in the face of supply limits. The global corporate economy is in tatters, if not ruins. Governments are becoming ever more entrenched in authoritarianism as they face mounting resistance from their citizens.

Out of all great changes come great opportunities. We may be looking at a golden moment for individual citizens around the world to reclaim some measure of sovereignty and control over their lives -- if they are bold enough, or desperate enough, to seize it.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 01:26 PM
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1. Wiki-uprisings n/t
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 01:28 PM
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2. Wikileaks, Twitter, Facebook...
The revolution may not be televised, but it will be all over the Interweb!
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 01:33 PM
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4. What would it take, do you think?
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 02:20 PM
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59. Personally I think it's gonna be the Koch Brothers buying the 2012 elections.
And it will happen, if we don't immediately overturn Citizens United as quickly as possible, and pass another amendment preventing a second Bush v. Gore scenario.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 01:33 PM
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5. Well, if we're going to have "free trade," why not "free rebellions?"
Multi-national revolutions v. multi-national corporations (and their puppet governments)...
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 01:38 PM
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6. I think it is more like the Revolutions of 1848 that swept nobles from power...
but it is probably too early to see if it goes farther.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 10:02 AM
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22. The trouble with analogies to 1848
Is that by 1849 most of those nobles were back in their palaces.

True, the French got rid of their last king, but Louis Bonaparte soon rose as strongman and within a few years proclaimed a second empire.

Not to say there weren't some concessions made. My ancestors, Ruthenian peasants, were liberated from serfdom to ensure they wouldn't make common cause with their Polish landlords in case the latter revolted. But the Hapsburgs stayed around for seventy more years and crushed the Hungarian republicans with the assistance of the Tsar's armies. Likewise they defeated the Italian liberals' bid for national liberation and union.

And the kings, dukes, and other royalist rulers of the German states likewise defeated their republicans, many of whom ended up as exiles in America.

Hopefully the wave of rebellion against dictatorship that seems to be sweeping North Africa and the Middle East will have a happier outcome.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 01:38 PM
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7. What happens when the revolution gets Globalized!?
This is the beginning...
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 02:02 PM
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8. Uh, Mr Brezinski, from where I stand, I see a World War coming
Maybe a Glopbal Civil War, but I see blood and bodies and I see it breaking out here.

If the shit hits the fan, I'm sailing out of here at the first sign even if I have to steal a boat and shoot my way out.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 10:56 AM
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45. I agree
I think population density and scarcity of resources are -or will soon be - as big a factor as 'social networking' or anything else.

Not all revolutions result in liberal regimes that improve the lot of their people. True 'democracy' can really suck if there's no constitutional and judicial protection for minorities and women. Any violent revolution involves people getting hurt and lives destroyed. So, 'revolution' is hardly something to be heralded for its own sake.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 12:44 PM
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55. BUT Some REAL Protest By "We The People" Might Be Something
to think about! We too are being ignored and run over by the likes of Rupert Murdock, etc.! There are so many more factors that come into play here because of many SUPER wealthy people who don't recognize other people here are SUFFERING in so many ways!

Perhaps if we're lucky (not something likely) those at the top will rethink what COULD upset THEIR apple cart! Still Americans still seem VERY APATHETIC!!
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southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 12:48 PM
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56. Yeah, where you going to go if the whole world is in a war?
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LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 02:06 PM
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9. It's worth reading the whole article!
Edited on Thu Jan-27-11 02:06 PM by LongTomH
A major theme is that Western governments, including the US, are trying to co-opt these revolutions, introducing 'Democratic' reforms and 'Democratic' governments friendly to Western interests. Will real Democracy emerge? Stay tuned, friends (to Al Jazeera and the alternative internet media).
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 02:23 PM
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10. Exactly....
Too many people comment without reading the whole article.

What struck me was the answer to the poll question posed to the people of the area who was a larger threat and 77% said the US and only 10% said a nuclear armed Iran.

This goes right to the invasion of Iraq and the occupation of Afghanistan.

It's amazing that a large slice of the American people still feel good about our actions against Iraq and still feel it justified to broil up the Afghan society 10 years after the attack.

The attack on the twin towers was heinous, but what can we say about our over reaction to the attack and how much our country has deteriorated.

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 02:59 PM
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11. NO. The modern "revolution" began in South America about 12 years ago.
Edited on Thu Jan-27-11 03:00 PM by bvar22
The reforms sweeping across Latin America are nothing less than (near) bloodless revolutions.
"They" have given us the blue print.

When the Working Class & The Poor realize we have more in common with each other
than we have in common with the Ruling Elite leadership of BOTH political parties,
WE can demand real "CHANGE".
As long as TPTB can keep us divided with wedge issues,
and keep the National Debate between the very narrow frame of Corporate Democrat vs Corporate Republicans,
the Status Quo will be maintained.
As long as our Political Parties and the Media can brand Obama & Hillary as Liberal, we have no where to go.



Of Course it can be debated that "The Revolution" began in 1215 or even earlier,
but I'm speaking about the successful Populist (Bolivarian) Reforms that have swept across South and Central America.
If USA Media is ALL you are exposed to, you won't know much about this.
These very successful Populist Revolutions has gone mostly unreported, and demonized by BOTH dominant Political Parties.


It CAN happen here.
VIVA Democracy!
I pray we get some here soon!

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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 03:25 PM
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12. Your point about the Bolivarian Revolution is well taken.
Most of us in North America only think "revolution" when we can see images of tear gas and riot police on our video screens.

Something I wonder is how long it's going to take Mexico to follow in the footsteps of Bolivar. Crashing oil production, grinding poverty, institutional corruption and oppression and now the narco-wars would seem to set an ideal context. I suspect that a Bolivarian Revolution breaking out on their southern border would wake up a lot of Americans.
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robdogbucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 05:10 PM
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15. South of the Border
is the name of Oliver Stone's newest and I saw it last night.

I highly recommend as he interviews Chavez, Morales, Kirchner, Lungo, de Silva, etc.

Very well done and inspiring.



rdb
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 06:28 PM
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16. The Oligarchs in Mexico barely managed to steal the last election...
...with lots of help from the RICH in the USA.
The next election will be harder for them to steal.

I pray these Populist Revolutions have the staying power of the Africanized Honey Bee,
and make their way to El Norte.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 02:42 PM
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28. In that case, it should be taken back further, to Eastern Europe in 1989
Again, near bloodless revolutions, that have ended up with democracies.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 11:26 AM
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47. The Latin American Revolution was against the USA.
That's what makes it similar.

The Eastern European Revolution was against the Soviet Union.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 12:20 PM
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53. However, this, like Eastern Europe, involves people on the streets, and the old regime fleeing
(at least it did in Tunisia's case, and many expect Mubarak will have to flee too). Whereas the Latin American 'Revolution' was achieved in elections, eg Chavez getting elected. And that's probably why the experts are referring to Eastern Europe, not Latin America:

Fawaz Gerges, professor of Middle Eastern politics and international relations at the London School of Economics

This is the Arab world's Berlin moment. The authoritarian wall has fallen and that's regardless of whether Mubarak survives or not. It goes beyond Mubarak. The barrier of fear has been removed. It is really the beginning of the end of the status quo in the region. The introduction of the military speaks volumes about the failure of the police to suppress the protesters. The military has stepped in and will likely seal any vacuum of authority in the next few weeks. Mubarak is deeply wounded. He is bleeding terribly. We are witnessing the beginning of a new era.



Rosemary Hollis, professor of Middle Eastern policy studies at City University, London

I think it will take a couple of days to organise his departure if it happens. It's going to be a messy process and there will probably be some bloodshed. I don't think you're going to get into a situation where you have almost a war with the army on one side and the people on the other. The army has to decide whether it stands with Mubarak or the people. It's one of those moments where, as with the fall of communism in Eastern Europe, they can come down to individual lieutenants and soldiers to decide whether they fire on the crowd or not. Different soldiers and groups of soldiers may well make different decisions.

In some ways what we're looking at is what happened in Iran in 1979, but without Khomenei. These protests are much more leaderless. As with Tunisia and with Iran in 1979 what will probably happen is you get an interim government. The question is what replaces it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/29/egypt-prote...
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jotsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 01:50 PM
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57. Saw an interesting piece a while back in Mother Jones
about a serial revolutionary...

<http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/maldives-democr... >

The article contains a link to his website, CANVAS. (Centre for Applied Non Violent Actions and Strategies)

As to the OP's original question? One can only hope.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 03:37 PM
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13. Would love it if workers of the world indeed, unite
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:40 PM
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35. I'm with you on that.
And when it finally happens... I'll be out there too.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 08:24 PM
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36. Wouldn't it be great if there was an organized labor federation that could latch onto this...
And start uprisings everywhere, for the betterment of the worker, the family and the individual
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 12:18 AM
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37. How should we start one?
;-)
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 02:11 PM
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58. You don't get to start it
It just *starts*
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 10:45 AM
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41. The Wobblies................
I mean their whole official name is "Industrial Workers of the WORLD". And they are making a comeback, albeit in the service industry rather than industrial.

Whether Wobblies or something else though, we need something international to counter GLOBAL capitalism.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 12:33 PM
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54. While It Would Mean A LOT Of Upheaval & Devastation, PERHAPS The
time has come! I'm thinking it's time to get hunkered down for what "might" becoming down the pike. I've thought about this a lot these past years and have felt WE needed to have our own voices here be heard, but it could get REALLY ugly. And it will cost so many of us dearly as it goes on!

As a Boomer, I recall what happened during Viet Nam, but ALL THE MASSES didn't run wild, but there was an effect from the protests we mounted!

I'm rather afraid of what is to come, but things REALLY must change here too. Too many elites running us into the ground without thinking of the LESS FORTUNATE!
:scared:
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 04:46 PM
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14. K&R
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:58 PM
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17. The Fourth Turning is headed our way! Uh oh.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 07:26 AM
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18. Morning kick in honour of the brave Egyptians n/t
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 08:45 AM
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19. One can hope...

but it will never be complete until it happens here.
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 08:50 AM
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20. Please, please bring it HERE!
To the 'good ole' United States...
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 01:48 PM
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26. No thanks. Violence is not my thing.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 12:08 PM
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51. Sometimes, violence can be used for good...
Just saying.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 04:36 PM
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31. No, Thanks. I don't want Sharia Law here.
I like our separation of church and state. I don't want some Islamic mullah writing our laws based on the Qu'ran.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 05:00 PM
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33. I don't think that's what the poster meant to imply
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 10:23 AM
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38. It isn't....
But s/he knows that.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 10:50 AM
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43. And I don't want some fucking fundamentalist..............
Calvinist preacher making laws here. Six of one, half dozen of the other.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 10:55 AM
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44. paranoid right wing conspiracy theory
Edited on Sat Jan-29-11 10:58 AM by fascisthunter
dumb and extreme. If you worry that there is a potential for that to happen in this country, you got issues.... time to un-brainwash yourself from right wing goebbels propaganda.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 12:14 PM
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52. Do you actually think anyone will put up with Sharia in the U.S.?
Edited on Sat Jan-29-11 12:15 PM by backscatter712
The right-wingers are howling about Sharia to catapult their propaganda and fear-monger. Of course, we on DU know the truth.

If you believe Sharia has a snowball's chance of being put in force in the U.S., I've got beachfront property in Arizona I'd like to sell you...

It's the Christian fundies that are the big danger in the U.S.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 12:07 PM
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50. yeah! bloodshed. cool..
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 10:00 AM
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21. I'd believe it except I've been reading "Revolution" posts on DU since I started lurking in 2004. nt
Edited on Fri Jan-28-11 10:00 AM by newtothegame
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 11:59 AM
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23. The events in Egypt show just how desperate people have to be for it to happen
We're not there yet. Much of the rest of the world is.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 12:03 PM
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24. The events in Egypt also show just how quickly it can happen -
even in a big country. Gives me hope.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 12:08 PM
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25. The last parallel to this was 1848
Read up, this is what is going on... not in Europe, but global.

And what really scares them is that it is coming here too,
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 01:56 PM
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27. It's horrible, but I almost wish this would happen here
Especially that part about "The relics of the old tyranny" being rejected. We so need that.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 03:00 PM
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29. 'fraid there's no getting around it.

just as the ruling class of Egypt has set their dogs upon the people so will ours when we get uppity.

Don't think there's a ruling elite that ever went away quietly, which speaks volumes about the whole 'class' arrangement.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 04:14 PM
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30. The establishment of an Islamic Fundamentalist government is not a good development.
The Islamic fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood is a major supporter of the revolution and they seek an Islamic state.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 10:48 AM
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42. Follow John Bolton much? This is HIS .............
(and every other RWer's) talking point. Anything they say, I'm going to go the opposite way. They're nothing but shills for the capitalist power structure.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 12:05 PM
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49. Great change brings great opportunity. Fear of change leaves us with the status quo.
Edited on Sat Jan-29-11 12:15 PM by GliderGuider
No matter who ends up with power, at least now there's a chance that the current crop of thieves and murderers will be replaced by something better. Last week there was no chance at all.

It may not turn out so well, but then it wasn't going all that well before...

All the average man has ever asked for is an opportunity. Now they have one.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 03:04 PM
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60. Nope. Don't follow him.
But I am aware that Islamic Fundamentalism has been growing stronger in Egypt as it has in the rest of the Islamic world. I suppose you think that the protesters are all atheists? Violent revolutions rarely end up establishing a democracy. Usually they become dictatorships, like the French & Russian ones did. The Irish revolution was co-opted by the Catholic Church.

Simply because someplace is seeing a revolution does not mean that they are progressives.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 07:35 PM
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62. Bottom up revolutions don't come about............
because things are hunky-dory. In fact, it has to get fucking BAD to get the average asshole out in the streets. As another poster said in this sub thread (paraphrasing), it might be good, it might be bad, but doing nothing there's no CHANCE that it's going to be anything, BUT bad. The Egyptians deserve the chance to make a government FOR the people, not just for Mubarek.

BTW, you DO realize that this "Muslim Brotherhood" shit AND the post upthread about "Sharia Law" are two of the MOST right wing talking points I've ever read on this forum, don't you?
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 11:15 PM
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63. So you automatically assume that all revolutions are progressive?
Sorry to break it to you, but often revolutions usher in extremely repressive governments. Example would be Iran, or Afghanistan after the Soviets left. Let's check back in a couple of years and see what kind of government they have. If it is a democracy, I will apologize. What will you do if it is an Islamic Theocracy?
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montanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 04:58 PM
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32. Nope.*checks fridge*
Beer, check.

*checks cupboard*

Cheetos, check.

*checks Teevee*

900 channels of sports and other bullshit, check.

Revolution?

Are you kidding, the game is on!!
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 05:01 PM
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34. No.
But we are seeing a regional collapse of the established power structure. That can be very dangerous when some of the countries in question have nuclear weapons imo.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 10:36 AM
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39. Rebellion here would more closely rememble the Rodney King riots than Cairo
Looting would be by far a more popular activity than facing off water cannons and police.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 10:43 AM
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40. While I realize we must be mindful of history....
current indicators and all the facts as we know them, I really wish we could be visionary enough to at least imagine the possibility that peaceful revolutions can take place.

Just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean it can't now. We CAN evolve, individually and collectively.

:hippie:

So, yes, I believe we're seeing the tipping point for large-scale revolution, but I also believe it doesn't have to be bloody and violent.

Miracles can happen. ;)


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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 11:05 AM
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46. I don't think Americans in general will participate
Most here do not intellectually recognize cause and effect.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 12:00 PM
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48. There isn't enough social distress in the US to trigger an uprising
Yet.

One of the things that this round of uprisings is showing us is how fast things can unravel when that level of distress is present.

I can imagine a number of events that could raise the level of distress world-wide - chief among them repeated, escalating oil price shocks leading to a long-term global economic depression, and the continued entrenchment of authoritarianism in previously liberal democracies as other parts of the world come apart due to shortages of food, energy and humane leadership. A twenty-year time horizon would seem realistic, though black swan events could accelerate it.

IMO we do not have a comfortable future in store.
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