Who can kill Social Security sooner????

[femrap]

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-boehner-lock-horns-payroll-tax-fight-002301711.html


Is this Kabuki theater or what?????

Do people realize the 'payroll tax' is their 'Social Security.' Is this how stupid our nation has become??????

I'm still living in that fucking nightmare of the W years.

Please let me wake up on another planet.

[sabrina 1]

1. Everything is upside down. The REPUBLICANS

are blocking it. Not for the right reasons I'm sure, but to see Democrats FIGHTING to cut that tax is just mind-boggling.

[Blue_In_AK]

3. I'm so glad I'm not the only one who sees it that way.

They NEVER should have gone down that road. What a huge, huge mistake.

[truedelphi]

6. Not only does the Senate Bill knock Social Security on its butt,

it also includes the provisions to see to it that any doctors who have MediCare patients get paid 27% less for seeing those patients.

Which means many doctors will not be taking on new MediCare patients.

[subterranean]

17. Au contraire...

The Senate bill includes a provision to PREVENT the deep cuts in Medicare payments.

[TheWraith]

2. Ignoring the fact that the payroll tax cut doesn't take a single dime from Social Security.

And it does provide more money in the pocket of the people who desperately need it.

[me b zola]

4. And that is exactly how the republicans would have defended this just a few years ago

First, the entire 'lets give a tax break to fix the economy' is totally from conservative ideology.

Secondly, FDR specifically set social security up the way that he did so that our contributions were never to be mixed in with the general funds so that no one would ever have the excuse or opportunity to mess with it siting "budget concerns".

You want to put money in the hands of people who need it? Make the banks produce every promissory note they say they have within 30 days or the homeowners/buyers own their homes free and in the clear. A progressive may have taken this path rather than the irrational path undermining of social security.

[Enthusiast]

11. Plus one!........nt

[truedelphi]

21. I am liking all your ideas, though I would add one thing -

A much larger and more fair tax break would come about if there was a way to demand that the FOURTEEN TRILLIONS of dollars that Bernanke "lent" to the Top Bankers across the Globe had to be repaid. And not just with the books of investment papers, mostly worthless, but with the same USA dollars they were given.

Fourteen trillions of dollars returned to the coffers of the Treasury would wipe out the deficits of every state in the Union. This would enable the people who have been pink slipped to return to being teachers, accountants, project managers, fire fighters, police officers, et al.

Or if you don't want to spread it across all the states of the Union, you could just dump the FOurteen Trillion inside California's coffers. There it would run the state of California, even at the higher levels of spending the state had back in 1999, for the next 133 YEARS!

[sabrina 1]

8. No it doesn't. Since that tax depends on what you earn

the biggest beneficiaries will be those who earn the MOST. It is the people who are dependent on SS and SSI who are the neediest. Not those with good paying jobs. The benefit to those who earn minimum wage will be so minimal it is almost an insult. Give them a raise, and leave the SS tax alone.

As I said, and I repeat, things are now upside down. IF the Republicans had tried this when Bush was president, we would be getting the FACTS, not the spin we are now getting.

Which makes me wonder, are Democrats more effective in the minority?

[Enthusiast]

12. Plus one!........nt

[me b zola]

5. It is like a nightmare

I tune into progressive radio and some television and many of the Liberal voices are supportive of this, treating it like a sporting event. I log onto DU, and far too many people are invested in pushing this crap through the Congress.

I mean, its just crazy. A few years ago this type of crap would have come from the republicans and Dems/Liberals would have been fighting this tooth and nail. Now we are fighting the republicans to make it happen.

Just when I think nothing can shock me any more...

[truedelphi]

7. When you wake up on that other planet, be sure and

Beam those who side with you up to that level. I, for one, would be glad to join you there.

[femrap]

18. I have made a

reservation on that Unisex Planet over in the next galaxy. There exists no: makeup, stilettos, bras (harnesses, as I call them), guns, hair gel, panties (I really hate that word), nor neo-cons.

We will be similar to the snail when it comes to reproducing...you can screw yourself or someone else....and like the snail, we will born with our little house!

Cool, huh?

:evilgrin: :P :party: :woohoo: :rofl:

It will be like the song by John Lennon, "Imagine." Nature will rule w/ a tender hand. And there will be lots and singing and dancing.

[truedelphi]

20. Well like Lennon has said:

"You can count me in!"

[Raine]

9. This is a back-door way into Social Security

and it makes me sick that this is happening and progressives are letting it happen (not only letting but pushing it). This is the kind of thing the repugs have always wanted and our side are the ones doing their dirty work. :mad:

[Enthusiast]

10. Kicked and recommended.

The U.S.A. has lost its mind.

[bvar22]

13. Through the Looking Glass,

or woke up on Superman's Bizarre World where everything is opposite.

To make matters even MORE insane,
this is not the first time that the Republicans have SAVED Social Security this year.

In negotiations with Republicans, our President put Social Security Cuts On the Table,
and Boehner walked out of that meeting.

"http://www.opednews.com/articles/Rep-Conyers-Obama-Dema...

"We've got to educate the American people at the same time we educate the President of the United States. The Republicans, Speaker Boehner or Majority Leader Cantor DID NOT call for Social Security cuts in the budget deal. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES CALLED FOR THAT," declared US Representative John Conyers in a press conference held by members of the House "Out of Poverty' Caucus on 07/27/11."

Conyers added ""My response to him (President Obama) is TO MASS THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN FRONT OF THE WHITE HOUSE TO PROTEST THIS."


This declaration is significant both politically and morally as Conyers is not only the second most senior representative in the House, but was also the first member of Congress to endorse candidate Obama. Conyers doesn't merely draw a moral "line in the sand' but he presents a candid picture of violent contrasts between himself and the first African-American president.


http://www.opednews.com/articles/Rep-Conyers-Obama-Dema...

You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
Solidarity99!
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[Huey P. Long]

14. They are out to destroy us all for their own enrichment. We are on our own. -eom

[in_cog_ni_to]

15. Also, notice how the MSM has taken up the same meme instead of calling it what it actually is!

IF the MSM would informed the uninformed that this "payroll tax" is their SOCIAL SECURITY...people would be rioting in the streets. The MSM is complicit. Wholly so. They know what they're doing. They were ordered to do it by their corporate overlords. :grr:

[WildNovember]

23. what is your basis for believing that most people dont know that payroll taxes

are SS taxes?

[subterranean]

16. It is political theater, yes.

The President is taking a page from the Republican playbook and calling the end of the temporary payroll tax holiday a "tax increase." What will happen a year or two from now, when he decides the tax holiday is no longer necessary and wants to end it? The Republicans will then demand that the tax cut be extended or made permanent, and accuse Obama of imposing a MASSIVE tax hike on hard-working Americans.

[WildNovember]

19. ditto. political life today is surreal.

[inna]

22. great thread; sorry it's too late to rec