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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:12 PM
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KGO San Francisco, Cumulus & the role of OWS
Edited on Tue Dec-06-11 09:21 PM by CountAllVotes
LET'S TALK...

The Thursday night massacre, which occurred at KGO, was not about ratings or people meters or a company bleeding money. What happened at KGO is the logical conclusion to a process started in 1996 when Bill Clinton signed the Telecommunications Act of 1996. De-regulating radio opened the door to companies like Clear Channel and Cumulus to own hundreds of radio stations and to dominate local markets. The Bay Area survived as long as it did because of the strength of KGO and the commitment of General Manger Mickey Luckoff to strong local programming (and because Mickey bought KSFO to give regressive talk a place to go). Over 50,000 jobs have been lost in this industry, not because local radio wasn't profitable, but being able to control hundreds of stations and put syndicated product on enabled these corporations to sell the overall listening tonnage which was even more profitable. As he did with NAFTA and GATT, Clinton gave no consideration to the local community...no consideration to the public good...no consideration to diversity of opinion and no consideration to the public airwaves and the obligation of radio stations to give back to the community.

This move by Cumulus was not about ratings. I heard Karel, and have been told Ronn Owens said the same thing, saying this is about declining ratings and a company bleeding money. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Karel pointed out the key demographic which stations are interested in is people between the ages of 25-54. He says he is getting good ratings in this demographic and has a lot of female listeners, which is also desirable to station management. If Cumulus' move was due to ratings, why not move Karel into an everyday slot? The precedent for such a move is well established at KGO. For KGO, weekends and late nights were places to grow new talent. It was intended to produce a bench to draw from in the future. Ronn Owens was on 10p-1a for years and then moved to days when Owen Spann left. Michael Krasny was replaced by me. (who started doing Godtalk on the weekends) I was replaced at 7p-10p by Gene Burns, who came to KGO to substitute for Ronn when he was out on strike. Ronn's contract dispute also led to the development of Dwayne Garrett who eventually moved to the 7p-10p slot replacing Lee Rodgers. Jim Eason was replaced by Gene Burns; and when that didn't work out, they brought in Pete Wilson. Shawn Nix was the first full time woman on KGO from 10p-1a and she came from weekends as well. If Cumulus wanted to boost ratings, they could have moved Karel and Pat Thurston and Christine Craft into weekday slots. Why didn't they do this? It's because this was never about ratings.

A company like Cumulus, which owns KNBR, KSFO, KGO and a number of FM stations in the Bay Area, doesn't sell ad time based on individual program or station ratings. They sell tonnage. They tell a local business if you advertise with them, your message will be heard across the entire swath of their stations and reach a huge audience. They will sell the raw numbers not ratings. This is the model which has been adopted ever since Clinton sold out local communities across the country. Since Hanbaugh et. al. came on the scene, they never had better ratings than any show on KGO. Local programming trumped syndicated every time. We were #1 for 29 years, the last 15 facing syndication constantly. The irony here is Hanbaugh, Beck, the Winer and others succeeded not because they got better ratings and beat the competition, but rather it was because their competition was eliminated in every market in the nation. If regressive radio had to compete against local talent in every market, it would lose 9 times out of ten.

<snip>What happened at KGO is exactly what the Occupy Wall Street movement was trying to highlight. What happened at KGO was designed to benefit the 1% at the expense of the 99%. You watch. There will be syndicated programming overnight. (Red Eye Radio...really? Have you listened to it? It is regressive pabulum at its worst) Oh, you will hear some say the new all-news format will still take calls when there is an earthquake etc, but you and I know the truth. They will take calls on soft, inane topics. (How 'bout them Kardashians?) They will have phone opinion polls on whether Christmas decorations go up too soon? They will conduct interviews and in the end, the Bay Area will be ill served.<snip>

more here see LET'S TALK...

http://lionoftheleft.blogspot.com/

Think what you like about Mr. Ward. I for one appreciate his perspective on this situation and yes this is EXACTLY what OWS is all about.

I was listening to KGO the other night and the topic was "Who told you there was no Santa Claus?" -- indeed "regressive pabulum at its worst". Have they won yet? :argh:

:kick:
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:18 PM
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1. I have worked in and out of radio since 1974
Clear channel and Cumulus DESTROYED local radio. In the past, you'd hear actual 'local' music. Bowie and Springsteen broke out of Cleveland! Other bands hit it in St. Louis, Denver and LA!!! There was some 'art' to radio. Nine Inch Nails was a Cleveland act that actually broke nationally out of South Florida... Clusters suck... Kill Ugly Radio!
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:27 PM
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2. This is certainly a dark time,
The blog notes this without question.

How much darker can it get?

We are the 99% here (well most of us) and where do WE GO FROM HERE!

This is like a public mauling if not neutering to the listeners.

:dem:

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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:28 PM
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3. Right on Bernie!
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:32 PM
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4. He's right.
Despite his flaws, B. Ward is and was right about this.

KGO was an awesome talk station long before many of these conservative bloviaters were even born.

As a kid, I listened with my dad to hosts like Les Crane and Ira Blue form the Hungry I.

Bill Clinton did us no favors by signing off on this.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:37 PM
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5. well I was a die hard listener
Note that word: WAS

:(

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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:43 PM
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6. Bernie's "flaws" would most likely have earned him a six month sentence...
... (or maybe a suspended sentence) here in Canada.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:46 PM
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7. There are American congressional members who are much more 'flawed'.
He was a political target.

I don't condone it, but it's way overblown.
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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:47 PM
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9. I agree... I'm not excusing what he did either, but...
... his 7 year sentence (without parole) was insane.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:58 PM
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18. yep, Conrad Murray kills someone
Edited on Tue Dec-06-11 09:59 PM by CountAllVotes
and will probably serve no more than two years in jail. Talk about pissed? Oh yeah .... :grr:

:kick:

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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:49 PM
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11. I believe like you do ...
Certain facts surrounding his case never were addressed. He knew it, I knew it and so did the Catholic church.

Lets please not go there with this thread and try to keep things focused on this perspective re: what happened to KGO and how much has been lost for no good reason but GREED.

:dem:

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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:50 PM
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14. Agreed. n/t
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:46 PM
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8. We already have a perfectly good news station in this area
KCBS is as middle of the road as you can possibly get and they do an OK job of reporting local stories as well as news of wider interest.

If there is one thing we don't need in this area it's another all news station. It's a shame for me personally because KGO has a signal that comes in pretty good in this remote area.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:49 PM
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12. I am 600+ miles from KGO.
As soon as the sun goes down, it booms in like a local.

For many people in the rural West, it *was* the only liberal voice available.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:48 PM
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10. Anybody remember Chris Clark?
He used to do Ray's time slot on the weekends back in the 90's....I thought he was great. Whatever happened to him?
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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:50 PM
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13. Yes, I do. I read somewhere that he's writing screenplays.
He was lots of fun on the weekends.

Even though I live in Victoria, BC, KGO's signal always comes in loud and clear at night time. I will miss the station greatly.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:52 PM
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16. Thanks..
yeah, I live in SW Washington state now..and at night KGO's signal comes in better than most stations out of Seattle or Portland. I'm really going to miss it too..
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catabryna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:51 PM
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15. This is terrible...
I grew up listening to KGO,

To make matters worse, at the same time as they are changing KGO's format, Clear Channel is dumping Green 960.

I'm really feeling bad for my dad. No falling asleep to Mike Malloy, no waking up to Bill Press.

And, now he doesn't even have the choice of tuning into KGO.

Bah, humbug!

:(
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:57 PM
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17. the shell of what is called KGO is a joke
Luckily there is a local progressive station that I pick up.

A huge part of many people's lives has been stolen from them with not even the chance to say good-bye.

I cannot believe that they just fired the staff like that and they apparently have no power despite the broadcaster's union. What the hell do they do? Can anyone do anything about this?

Who would possibly hire Gene Burns or Ray Taliaferro? :( Maybe they give up? :(

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catabryna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 10:15 PM
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19. No one in San Francisco is going to pick them up...
the consolidation of the media and the drowning out of liberal voices is nearly complete.

I've been listening to the advertising on the Clear Channel stations both here in Portland and in San Francisco for the last few years. I knew this was coming down the line. It seemed/seems as if they were/are deliberately trying to drag down the listening audience with the very same advertising they run on conservative stations. We progressives are driven crazy by the likes of "values(dot)com" and their ilk but we are forced to listen to them if we want to hear our liberal talkers.

The mute button is my best friend these days. I finally started streaming on my computer so I don't have to get up every 10 minutes to turn down 4 minutes of advertising. I just hit the handy button on the laptop.

Thanks for posting this.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 11:05 PM
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20. You can still fall asleep with Mike Malloy and wake up with Bill Press
If you can stream AM 620 KPOJ in Portland.

Something tells me the radio degenerate owners will go after Portland's station next, or AM 1090 in Seattle.

Those are the only stations in the Pacific Northwest that are commercial liberal radio.
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catabryna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 11:17 PM
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21. I was speaking of my dad waking up to Bill Press and going to sleep
Edited on Tue Dec-06-11 11:22 PM by catabryna
listening to Mike Malloy. But, like father, like daughter... I do the same thing, except I avoid Clear Channel stations and stream Mike Malloy on the White Rose stream and Bill Press directly from his website via Ustream.

I am expecting them to come after KPOJ. It's only a matter of time.

Seattle is a CBS station... it might hold on a little longer.

I like to stream progressive stations from all over the country just to see what the differences are. I've been doing it for years. I was listening to KPOJ when I lived in Texas and that was 6 years ago. :)

btw: I'm over here in Milwaukie.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 11:37 PM
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22. Go Milwaukie!
After all, I'm from St.Helens!

:)
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 12:24 AM
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23. Gene Burns, John Rothmann, Gil Gross, Len Tillem, Ray Taliaferro and Joanie Greggains
:cry:
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 12:37 AM
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24. Like many other fans I'm pissed about this too
KGO was awesome, they had Gene Burns, Bernie Ward before he had his unfortunate incident, and Ray Taliaferro. I have listened to these people for 20 years or so, and all of a sudden - POOF - they are gone.

This is such a disservice to these long time radio hosts and also to all the fans, its a disgrace what this "Cumulus" radio corporation did.

Maybe when Bernie Ward gets out he can go back on radio and be reunited with some of these other liberal voices at a San Fransisco station somewhere.
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