When they say, "traditional Biblical marriage," show them this.

[Hepburn]

Thanks to BartCop: http://www.bartcop.com/2790.htm (Approx 1/2 way down the page)

[ewagner]

1. It occurs to me

That the ten commandments as well as most ancient laws concerning marriage were primarily concerned with women as property...and those laws were written to deal with the protection of that property.....there's nothing actually "moral" about it?

[Hepburn]

2. Until 1975, in California, a married woman could not own real propert in her own name alone.

That absolutely shocked me when I heard that in one of my law school classes. Took a long time for things to change and still no ERA.

[Liquorice]

48. Marital rape was not illegal in all 50 states until 1993. That one surprised me. nt

[TBF]

7. It's always about property - ownership (control). nt

[roguevalley]

12. the ten commandments do not address this beyond do not

covet your neighbor's wife or commit adultry NEWT! They do say love your neighbor, don't kill and don't steal. Leave the commandments out. they are good. the other that is state above is bad.

[ZombieHorde]

16. The Ten Commandments do not say love your neighbor.

That is a Jesus' second commandment, of two.

[Deep13]

37. They also punish thought crimes, purely symbolic religious crimes, ...

...mandate obedience to parents even after we are adults and regardless if the parents are actually worth of "honor" and say nothing about rape, child abuse--except that disobedient children must be killed, slavery, freedom of conscience, or socio-economic justice.

[Deep13]

38. They also punish thought crimes, purely symbolic religious crimes, ...

...mandate obedience to parents even after we are adults and regardless if the parents are actually worth of "honor" and say nothing about rape, child abuse--except that disobedient children must be killed, slavery, freedom of conscience, or socio-economic justice.

[Moonwalk]

47. I'm afraid that the ten commandments are only good if you're an Israelite....

Biblically speaking, they're not so good unless you're a Hebrew, because only if you're a Hebrew will other Hebrews follow those laws towards you. For example, "Thou shalt not kill." Sounds good....except that not forty years after god gives this command to his tribe, he then commands this same tribe to kill every man, woman and child who is a Cannanite. Why? Well, just cause. So, "Thou shalt not kill" doesn't apply to anyone who isn't of your tribe. god, himself, is fine with you killing...so long as it's someone who isn't a Hebrew. Consider that this goes for many of the other laws. You can covet someone else's wife, just not the wife of a member of your tribe. In fact, as seen, if that someone else is an enemy, you can kill that enemy and take the wife for slave or concubine. Likewise, if someone is not of your tribe, you can steal their stuff. God doesn't mind. In fact, he encourages it.

The Commandments by themselves may seem all well and good--however, laws don't mean much if the examples that follow indicate that they're only applicable towards an elite few in the tribe, and need not be followed by anyone when dealing with those outside the tribe.

[NV Whino]

3. Looses a bit of its punch

with the typo... polygany.

[scarletwoman]

4. It's not a typo - polygyny is the correct term for marriage with multiple wives.

From the Greek "poly" meaning many and "gyny" meaning woman. (eg: gynaecology is the medical field specifically concerned with women's reproduction health)

Polyandry is the term for marriage with multiple husbands. (Greek: poly = many, andras = man)

Polygamy refers to marriage between more than two partners, but does not specify gender.

[snagglepuss]

22. I'm sorry but this is how the Left effing shoots itself in the foot. Using a term that

only a friggin handful of academics use is intellectual oneupmanship and as we have just seen people get hung up on a word and forget the bigger picture. My doctor who is incredibly wealthy as his wife is CEO of a major corporation was telling me that he brought up the topic of misogyny when he was talking to a neighbor who has a degree in Kinesology, he said he was stunned when she asked what that meant. At one time in history one could assume people had a modicum of general knowledge, nowadays you can't assume even that so to use a word that is used only in academia is plain counterproductive. Unless the Left gets a grip on the fact that most people do not have anywhere near their level of knowledge, the Left is going to be seen as elitist.

[Remember Me]

36. So we should embrace the dumbing down of America and help it along

whenever possible?

[freshwest]

39. Blend in with the herd...

[ClassWarrior]

43. How is it "dumbing down" to use a less-specific, but equally correct and...

...better-known word?

:crazy:

NGU.

[Lorien]

51. It's more specific, hence it's use.

[ClassWarrior]

55. I didn't ask why it was used. I asked what makes it "dumbing down."

:crazy:

NGU.

[Marrah_G]

46. Idiocracy!!!!!!!!!

Excuse me, I have to go, "Owwww my balls" is on...TruTV.

[datasuspect]

59. give a hoot, read a book

the "Left" thanks you for your concern.

[NV Whino]

56. Guess I'm going to have to tutor my dictionary

It only likes polygamy.

[ArcticFox]

6. You mean "loses"?

[Morning Dew]

15. I noticed that too

I see a few instances of the word on google search but they look like typos as well.

Should be polygyny.

[whathehell]

41. No offense, but

one could say the same thing about misspelling "loses"..There's just a WHOLE lot of bad spelling

around here...You're not alone, bro.

[Occulus]

42. You can thank the phonics method for that.

Funny how the words that SOUND the same are the ones most frequently misused, isn't it?

I hate the phonics method. Hate it, hate it, hate it. These sorts of misspellings and misuse are exactly where the phonics method leads. It should not ever be used to teach reading.

[ArcticFox]

5. I'm sure most of them would be in favor

Just look at how long Cain took to fall.

[tomtharp]

8. Betty Bowers

If you have not seen her you must: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw&feature=player_embedded

[Hepburn]

9. I love Betty Bowers!

One of my favs from her is "Republican Fashions!" :rofl:

Thanks for the link! :hi:

[JNelson6563]

45. Agreed and welcome!

:hi: Thanks for the fun link, always enjoy Betty.

Julie

[barbtries]

10. i can just hear some fundamentalists

and FLDS saying, yes, that's exactly what i'm talking about...

[saras]

11. I honestly think that only a few conservatives would have a problem with any of these

[Huey P. Long]

13. effective graphic. -eom

[treestar]

14. Right wingers would love that!

Not a one of those would they object to!

[rgbecker]

17. And then there's the Constitution and what it says about marriage....

Wait a minute, I'll find it in a minute......






Oops.

[The Straight Story]

18. Good ole Jewish law in the OT

not sure why so many fundies read that and ignore most of the NT...

[jmowreader]

40. Come on. You know why: The OT is more fun

The New Testament teaches you to love your neighbor and turn the other cheek.

The Old Testament teaches you to kill everyone in town.

[Sherman A1]

19. Excellent!

Thanks for posting.

[bertman]

20. REC. but my wife isn't going to go along with the concubines part. nt

[defendandprotect]

21. And, Vatican used to marry homosexuals a thousand or so years back -- !!

[a2liberal]

49. Do you have any links/more info on that?

I'm curious to read more about it.

[tclambert]

23. Concubines? We can have concubines? Honey, there's something here you need to read!

It's from the Bible. What's that? You're OK with it as long as she cleans the house?

[Gabi Hayes]

24. Betty Bowers Explains Traditional Marriage to Everyone Else

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw

[krispos42]

25. Excellent! n/t

[krispos42]

26. Excellent! K&R n/t

[krispos42]

27. Test n/t

[AtheistCrusader]

28. Delete

Dupe due to posting failure/bug thing.

[AtheistCrusader]

29. Of course these foul bastards excuse the rape one as

protection for the woman, at that timeperiod, because a woman who was no longer a virgin could not be married, couldn't be sold into marriage, etc.

So throw that back in their faces when they complain about 'moral relatvism'. The implication that it was ok to be in the bible because it was 'progressive' for the timeperiod is fucking sick.

[Occupy_2012]

33. Being forced to marry your rapist is still happening now.

There's a case in Afghanistan now, a woman was raped, then imprisoned for the crime of adultery, or maybe fornication. She was schedued to be stoned to death, but Karzai "mercifully" allowed her to be released from prison if she will marry her rapist. She's decided to marry him as she feels it is in the best interest of her daughter. I saw it on my Twitter feed and thought about re-Tweeting it, but then thought, why? Nobody gives a damn, nor will anybody help her. That's just the way it is. All it will do is piss off people who don't want to read this disgusting crap.

I also got a tweet today with a picture of a twitterer's relative in Saudi Arabia - the woman's entire upper arm is purple, the bottom half is gouged with a screwdriver. Apparently her husband got drunk and decided to flay her alive. He ended up just stabbing her arm multiple times, not actually flaying her, thank god. There is no law against domestic violence there, the tweet says, so nothing can be done.

I decided to follow some middle eastern twitterers, because the news doesn't cover anything not happening in the U.S., and I'd like to have some idea of what's going on in the rest of the world. The unbelievable courage of these women, and their continued ability to be outraged instead of just giving up, amazes me more than I can say.

[WinkyDink]

54. I think the word you're searching for is "Muslim." Or is it just not cricket to criticize Islam?

[Occupy_2012]

57. Not really, oddly.

I didn't even think about it being seen that way, because I spend a lot of time checking out Fundie Christian blogs as well, and I've spent time researching the Quiverfull (Christian) movement. That's the one the Duggar family, with 20 children, belongs to.

Honestly, every word I said above could apply to the FDLS (Fundamentalist Church of Latter Day Saints), and most of it to Quiverfull, other than the actual stoning. Women are literally taught from birth that they are not allowed to be sad or angry under any circumstances, and that if their husband isn't a good husband and father, it's a cross God sent them to bear. Even mothers who find their husbands molesting their children aren't allowed to get a divorce, because there is no excuse for divorce at all, and any remarriage is adultery. Beatings are strongly encouraged. Even family pets are beaten, because everyone "needs to be broken" to learn submission. Women are taught their sole worth in life is bearing as many children as they can, keeping a spotless house at all times, and always acting happy no matter how they really feel. Acting sad is considered a sin among the Quiverfull, and a reason to be beaten until the sad behavior stops.

One thing I've learned is that Fundamentalist religions of all stripes are much the same. The more you study them, the more you realize they all have a common root, from head coverings for women, that Fundamentalist Christian women often wear as sign of submission to their husbands' authority, per the Bible, to beatings - "spare the rod and spoil the child" is quoted often, also Biblical verses about making your wife submit to her husband's will. Wearing a Christian married woman's "headcovering" or a hijab doesn't make a lot of difference - all these Fundamentalist women are raised from birth to think there is no other way, and isolated from anybody who would say differently. I feel sorry for all of them. (I don't mean every hijab-wearer is Fundamentalist, they're not).

Please do yourselves a favor and spend a little time researching Fundamentalist groups such as Quiverfull. Fundamentalism is poised to take over America, and the so-called "crazy fringe" is no longer just a fringe. We are seeing subtle signs of it evidenced in Republican politics, a lot of dog-whistle politics is going right over your head, but really resonates strongly with the Fundamentalist Christian movement. You need to understand what's being said about the future of this nation behind your back. Check out Dominionism as well - they believe the Bible should rule the country, the Constitution should be torn up and thrown away. That would bring the equivalent of Christian Sharia law to your home town. The media is really falling down on the job of reporting this, people need to know.

[CarrieLynne]

30. lol.....its BDSM...biblical fetishes lol

[Beartracks]

31. Argh, I hate typos in otherwise well-done work.

It's POLYGAMY, not POLYGANY.

Typos tend to draw focus, which undermines the message by making an author seem incompetent. Even when it's obvious that the author is NOT incompetent, it gives critics ammo and allows them to rationalize the message as wrong or inconsequential.

All this assumes, of course, that the critic will notice the typo in the first place. :thumbsup:

P.S. I love the people icons in this.

=====================

[Alameda]

34. The original author was correct

Polygyny is one thing polygamy is yet another.

"Polygyny (from neo-Greek: πολύ poly - "many", and γυνή gyny - "woman or wife")<1> is a form of marriage in which a man has two or more wives at the same time.<2> In countries where the practice is illegal, the man is referred to as a bigamist or a polygamist. It is distinguished from relationships where a man has a sexual partner outside marriage, such as a concubine, casual sexual partner, paramour, cohabits with a married woman or other culturally but not legally recognized secondary partner. Polygyny is the most common form of polygamy; the much rarer practice of polyandry is the form of marriage in which one woman has two or more husbands at the same time.<3>"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygyny

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy

[a2liberal]

50. It's still a typo/misspelling either way (n/t)

[66 dmhlt]

32. THANKS! Got It Bookmarked AND Screen Captured!

[Ian David]

35. Also show them, "Betty Bowers Explains Traditional Marriage to Everyone Else"

Betty Bowers Explains Traditional Marriage to Everyone Else
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw

[Renew Deal]

44. That's pretty funny

Aren't some of those technically sinners?

[sulphurdunn]

52. It has taken wars

and endless reforms to try and convince conservatives that people aren't property, and while most of them pay the idea lip service today, I'm not sure they really grasp the concept.

[WinkyDink]

53. I Googled. "Biblical" seems to be an added term. The usual one is "Traditional Christian."

You will agree there is a huge difference. As in: The NT supercedes the OT for ALL Christians (no more "Eye for an eye," e.g.). It is the RAISON D'ETRE OF CHRISTIANITY. Purported Christians who quote the OT as the basis of moral law are ignorant.

As the Betty Bowerses of the world are being disingenuous.

[lunatica]

58. and still we are 'bitches' when we complain