Every time these guys debate Ron Paul looks better in comparison.

[SwampG8r]

Discuss.

[shraby]

1. Only in comparison to one another. In comparison to the real

world they are all nutjobs, including Ron Paul.

[Indianademocrat91]

2. Just because he doesn't act like a moron doesn't mean he isn't one

7 agencies he would cut first day, 1 trillion dollars right away - economy tanks as a result, no 1964 civil rights (same as his sons view)... He's a radical, I don't care how sane he sounds or acts when he talks but he would probably be the one to make the US a third world country

[penguin7]

4. We cut one trillion dollars of waste

Thereby freeing an enormous amount of resources for productive purpose and you think that is bad for the economy?

And there is easily one trillion dollars of waste and lucre for the well connected.

[Indianademocrat91]

7. I'm talking about the trillion he would cut

Medicaid, Medicare, SS, I should have been more specific sorry. He's a libertarian freak, no way he cuts where it's needed

[baldguy]

9. You're assuming all the cuts *would* be waste.

Bad assumption.

[Sherman A1]

14. Precisely

What Ron Paul wants to cut many of us consider to be essential. He has a much, much different view of "waste" than the rest of us.

[ZombieHorde]

38. Republican's version of waste is different than our version of waste.

Social Security, education, etc.

[ZenaD]

3. He's horrifying on social and economic issues.

Being right like a broken clock about foreign policy doesn't mitigate that.

[provis99]

5. no, it's more like six cavemen debating a Martian.

now, if you want to consider a Martian to be better than cavemen...

[penguin7]

6. There are the corporate candidates and there is Ron Paul

Last presidential election there was Kucinich and Ron Paul.

I notice that many try to marginalize any candidate that is not corporate. This makes sense in the mainstream media, but it is somewhat surprising to me that anti-corporate candidates are marginalized on the internet blogs.

[baldguy]

10. "Anti-corporate candidate Ron Paul". What a joke.

[penguin7]

18. Anti-Corporate Fascism to be more exact

Most of government right now is corporate Fascist, i.e., corporations control the government.

Ron Paul is the only guy running opposing corporate fascism.

[baldguy]

19. Ron Paul's stated policy positions PROMOTE and ENCOURAGE fascism.

You've got it exactly backwards.

[penguin7]

20. For Example?

[baldguy]

22. Getting rid of all regulations on businesses (INCLUDING CORPORATIONS) for example.

Duh. Are you that thick?

[penguin7]

23. Corporations writing the rules is Fascism

and incidentally that is what we have now.

Removing rules is not necessarily Fascism, perhaps it could be anarchy.

Arguably our rules are not doing us much good. We are not even measuring the radiation in our food after Fukushima.

[baldguy]

25. .

:banghead:

[freshstart]

26. Ron Paul was a plaintiff on the side of

Citizens United.
http://www.law.stanford.edu/publications/projects/campaignfinance/collection/paul/paul.11.6.pdf

If you need more, I have plenty more examples.

[sendero]

27. No one is more pro corporation..

.. than idiot Libertarians.

[Dawson Leery]

8. He opposed America's imperialist foreign policy

the drug war and the current Federal Reserve system.

[freshstart]

31. Would you feel differently about that

if you realized that one of his foreign policy advisors, Doug Bandow is connected to Jack Abramoff?

[freshstart]

33. Here is a little bankground on Doug Bandow

Ron Paul's policy advisor:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?108392-Ron-Paul-Campaign-Announces-Addition-of-New-Policy-Advisors

Bandow wrote op-eds favorable to Jack Abramoff's causes for cash:
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/dec2005/nf20051216_1037_db016.htm

"A former Abramoff associate says Bandow and at least one other think-tank expert were typically paid $2,000 per column to address specific topics of interest to Abramoff's clients. Bandow's standing as a columnist and think-tank analyst provided a seemingly independent validation of the arguments the Abramoff team were using to try to sway Congressional action.

Bandow confirms that he received $2,000 for some pieces, but says it was "usually less than that amount." He says he wrote all the pieces himself, though with topics and information provided by Abramoff."

Bandow wrote that Social Security was a ponzi scheme in 2002 on Ron Paul's Freeman website - I guess that is where Rick Perry got it from:
http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/uncle-sams-retirement-scam/


Do you see how utterly stupid his cult of followers are? They are cheering the addition of Bandow and hyping up his qualifications including that he has been published in many newspapers...yep he wrote for cash from Jack Abramoff in order to influence congress...and that is nothing to cheer about. Do you think they ever looked into his background? It was really easy to find his connection to Abramoff.

I don't listen to a word Ron Paul says, he obviously has bad judgement.

[Ohio Joe]

11. Ron Paul is a racist douchebag... Among other things

Fuck him. He deserves not a single good word.

[freshstart]

36. He's a Koch whore

always has been. Look at #11 from 1984. David Koch from Kansas was a huge contributor to Ron Paul from Texas then.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=vOxYAAAAIBAJ&sjid=HFcMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2817,3848869&dq=koch+ron+paul&hl=en

See this, they are all Koch funded groups on Ron Paul's website, so it is obvious the relationship continues:
http://www.free-nefl.com/html/nefl.html

[pnwmom]

12. He's the same jerk he always was. n/t

[Enthusiast]

13. Ron Paul is right about the wars and the military.

Unfortunately he is wrong about everything else -the racism and social security and medicare. He claims medicare and social security are unconstitutional. He is way wrong.

[Sherman A1]

15. Agreed

The constitutional argument about SS & Medicare even if absolutely correct on his part (and I don't believe so) leads to just how do you undo it? There are people who depend on the system and those who paid in good faith into it and are due a return on those payments.

[woo me with science]

37. Yes. He will not win the nomination, but he has been good for the debate.

It is about time SOMEONE used the word "warmongering" when the corporate dwarfs meet to debate.

And where the hell is OUR anti-war candidate?

Support OWS.

[Enthusiast]

40. I agree. At least someone is saying it.

Yeah, where the hell is our anti-war candidate? I'm with OWS all the way.

[bowens43]

16. Ron Paul is just as big of nut job as the rest. nt

[SidDithers]

17. No...nt

Sid

[Aerows]

21. They are all crazy

and try to top each other on the crazy.

Ron Paul at least is *actually* intelligent, he doesn't just sound that way to an audience who thinks "Africa is a country" is a perfectly sound assertion.

That said, beyond the handful of GOOD ideas he has, he also has some VERY bad ones which completely overshadow the good.

[elehhhhna]

24. I've conversed w/ him. He's getting a tiny bit addled,

and I heartily disagree with some of his (mostly domestic policy) ideas, but he's not snooty, and he IS sincere. At least he's sincere.

[freshstart]

28. Sincere, really?

As sincere as he was in the late 70's when he became part of a self-appointed shadow cabinet? A cabinet based on a parliamentary form of government that we don't have and even in those systems, they are ELECTED officials.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=bgFaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ukoNAAAAIBAJ&pg=6913,1208676&dq=shadow+government+ron+paul&hl=en

Ron Paul is tied to Bush's associates, Jack Abramoff's associates and a bunch of people involved in the Contra scandal. He likes precious metals? Look up what his buddy Nelson Bunker Hunt did with silver. Ron Paul is a snake.

[Prometheus Bound]

39. That's interesting. Can you tell me more?

I googled Ron Paul and Jack Abramoff and couldn't find anything about that.

I googled Ron Paul and the Hunt Brothers, but can't find anything.

Also, Ron Paul and the contra scandal if you can provide a link. Thanks.

[freshstart]

42. I posted the Abramoff/Paul/Bandow links

Look up the Conservative Caucus, you'll find the Contra/Hunt Brothers. Unfortanately I can't post everything I have because I use ProQuest and it will only spit out PDFs. Look up Lewis Lehrman, he wrote the book The Case for Gold with Ron Paul and he was an investor in Bush's Arbusto Oil. Use google news archives. Ron Paul was involved in the shadow cabinet and the Conservative Caucus, I searched those links to find the other stuff. Look at the names involved in the shadow cabinet and what those people are involved in, that is where you'll find the leads. He's not clean with those connections.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=oD0iAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ZawFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3197,338158&dq=howard+phillips+shadow+cabinet&hl=en

http://www.conservativeusa.org/35years.htm

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=kadUAAAAIBAJ&sjid=hjsNAAAAIBAJ&pg=3050,4881091&dq=nelson+bunker+hunt+conservative+caucus&hl=en

Hunt/Saudis/Silver
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=UtUcAAAAIBAJ&sjid=yF0EAAAAIBAJ&pg=1343,958398&dq=nelson+bunker+hunt+saudi+silver&hl=en

[Prometheus Bound]

43. Thanks, I'll check it out.

[freshstart]

45. You're welcome

If you search my posts on here, I put in the links that I could get from the regular news archives. I'm trying to find a specific article that states the conservative caucus was behind pushing the GOP to the right. If I can track it down, I'll post it. I tracked these people back to the 70s and you'll find they were behind many things including school vouchers.

[freshstart]

46. Same people behind the "shadow cabinet"

that Ron Paul was involved in also created the Council for National Policy. Joseph Coors and Nelson Bunker Hunt funded the Contras:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=AmdJAAAAIBAJ&sjid=rAoNAAAAIBAJ&pg=3140,8870677&dq=council+for+national+policy+coors+contra&hl=en

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=B-8lAAAAIBAJ&sjid=K_MFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1418,6241567&dq=council+for+national+policy+bunker+hunt&hl=en

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=2fUlAAAAIBAJ&sjid=2PMFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2341,6098885&dq=council+for+national+policy+coors+contra&hl=en

Ron Paul wrote the Case for Gold with Lehrman.
Here is Lewis Lehrman, Citizens for America was their lobbying group/contras:
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/newsday/access/100893527.html?dids=100893527:100893527&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Dec+12%2C+1986&author=By+Roy+Gutman+and+Alison+Mitchell.+Newsday+Washington&pub=Newsday+(Combined+editions)&desc=North+Aided+Pro-Contra+Ad+Campaign&pqatl=google

Lehrman invested Bush's Arbusto oil:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories/bush073099.htm

Ron Paul had Lehrman testify before his committee this year, you can find that on youtube.

[TBF]

30. I've heard the same from others down here - that's he's mainly old-fashioned and

has a vision of an older, simpler America. I can't argue on foreign police or medicinal marijuana, I agree with him there. He'd be better than Perry, Bachmann, Gingrich, or Palin because he's not insane. But he does not agree with any sort of social nets, which would be pretty devastating with so many out of work and seniors close to poverty as it is. I'd take Romney over him just because he's moderate and sane - which is where I put Obama as well. If I could have my choice it would be Sanders. But given the field I can't really see any of these folks beating Obama.

[HappyMe]

29. No.

Paul is just as nutty as they are.

[piratefish08]

32. he thinks the Cvil Rights Act was a bad idea.

nothing balances out that kind of assholery.

[PeaceNikki]

34. lol. riiight. Eyebrow toupees and all.

He's fucking batshit crazy as are all of his cultist followers.

[JoePhilly]

35. Looks, not SOUNDS .... cut the Debt of EDU? Debt of Energy?

Leave the UN?

End SS and Medicare.

Overturn Roe V Wade.

He's just as crazy.

[icnorth]

41. In comparison, Charlie McCarthy sans

Edgar Bergen would look better.

[KG]

44. piss on ron paul.