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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 06:30 AM
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Has Frank Miller always been this much of an asshole?
http://frankmillerink.com/2011/11/anarchy

Everybodys been too damn polite about this nonsense:

The Occupy movement, whether displaying itself on Wall Street or in the streets of Oakland (which has, with unspeakable cowardice, embraced it) is anything but an exercise of our blessed First Amendment. Occupy is nothing but a pack of louts, thieves, and rapists, an unruly mob, fed by Woodstock-era nostalgia and putrid false righteousness. These clowns can do nothing but harm America.

Occupy is nothing short of a clumsy, poorly-expressed attempt at anarchy, to the extent that the movement HAH! Some movement, except if the word bowel is attached - is anything more than an ugly fashion statement by a bunch of iPhone, iPad wielding spoiled brats who should stop getting in the way of working people and find jobs for themselves.

This is no popular uprising. This is garbage. And goodness knows theyre spewing their garbage both politically and physically every which way they can find.


WTF, Frank?
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Magoo48 Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 06:39 AM
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1. Warning! Hate attack, Hate attack, Warning!
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 06:44 AM
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2. AFAIK he's a far right libertarian...
so he's great at writing violent dystopian comic books...but not so great when it comes to real world political opinions.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 06:46 AM
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3. Too bad. We have yet begun to fight.
Sticks and stones corporate whores.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 06:49 AM
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4. Yes
Frank Miller has always been an asshole.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 06:51 AM
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5. I think these Neocons are scared shitless. . .
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urgk Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 07:19 AM
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6. Look at this beautiful reply from his ex-fan --
"Dear Frank,
I used to be your biggest fan.

You're now dead to me.

After reading your blog and suffering through "Holy Terror," I don't ever need to pay money for your entertainment, again.

Holy Terror is a MESS. It's sloppy, pedantic, on the nose, silly and confusing. It doesn't make a clear point, at all, which is odd because it was obviously your purposed to make a point, not to tell a good story.

Remind me again which regiment you served with? Oh, right, you were drawing cartoons at the age of those Occupy folks you suggest should enlist. Because if there's one thing a soldier can look forward to these days, it's trusting that his/her superiors will send them to do the right thing and really get the job done.

Like eliminate Al Quaeda overseas. Good mission. The Marines and Army have done that.

Root out sleeper terrorists on American soil. Good idea. The FBI does that, and they do it, well.

So how should the rest of us fight terror? Oh, right, by not rocking the boat. Never complaining, just stewing in our anger and writing angry screeds online and in comic books. Gettin' the ol' job done, aren't we, Frank? Thank God we've got you on that wall, because we need you on that wall.

Remember the Frank Miller who donated to groups that supported creator-owned companies? The guy who printed "Give 'em an inch, they'll take a Mile" in big bold letters on the back cover of one of his books? He was talking about CORPORATIONS, not big government.

He was protesting corporations that exploit their workers.

Remember the Frank Miller that co-founded his own comic publishing company, Legend, and extolled the accomplishment of the Image comics founders who left the big bad Marvel all at the same time? You know, those guys who staged a...let's see, what's the term for it...oh, yeah, a...walkout. Just walked off their jobs, the lazy fucks! Gave the finger to that gracious corporation that so generously employed them and thousands of others, to go..."freelance." Yeccch. Just the word itself makes me feel grimy.

In short, just to be as clear as propaganda: the young Frank Miller would look at what you've aged into and be sick.

On a personal note, I've been trying to decide for months if I should sell my old Frank Miller comics to make some decent cash or save them to give to my nephew when he's old enough to appreciate them. I'd like to think that he would be as inspired by them as I was, that they might even change the course of his creative ambitions as they did for me.

Fuck it, I'm going to Ebay right now and unloading these tainted piles of crap. And I hope you're currently working on some new lunatic book so I can scoff at it as I buy other books by still relevant artists.

I wonder if John Byrne has become a right-wing psycho nutjob, too? Nah, he's Canadian and wayyy too nice a guy for that. But you never know, these days, you never know."
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urgk Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 07:20 AM
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7. Another perfect response on his page --
"I have a good friend who proudly served in the Navy during the height of the current conflicts. Ever since coming home he's been struggling, eking out an existence literally flipping burgers - the only kind of work available to someone who didn't spend those service years with his ass firmly planted in a college classroom. It didn't carry him, and he was forced to move back in with his family.

When the movement started, he went up to San Francisco to help. Now he's using his experiences to write instructional pamphlets for the protesters - teaching them how to talk to people who might be angry or aggressive about their presence, in a way that is peaceful and welcoming. The comments we're hearing from him are amazing. "A place where opinions are shared without malice." "I know I can make a difference here." "My life's work."

Frank, there's a lot I could say about you. A lot of mean, below-the-belt, "ha ha gotcha" things. But a man better than you or me taught me better than that. I only ask one thing of you.

Please do not disrespect Sean, his past service to us both, or the work he continues to do for all of us.

Thanks for reading this."
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 07:22 AM
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8. Yes.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 07:22 AM
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9. My, my, my, such nastiness for such a supposedly powerless group of people.
Whenever a RepubliCON unleashes such hate onto another group, you can bet that RepubliCONs are going down the crapper. You can equate their spew of hate with the last words of the Wicked Witch Of The West "Ohhh! You cursed brat! Look what you've done! I'm melting! Melting! Oh, what a world! What a world! ..."
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 07:23 AM
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10. I recommend reading the first comment
Edited on Sat Nov-12-11 07:23 AM by TomClash
Some should tell Frank Miller that slurs and invective do not constitute an argument. Oh, wait, someone did.

Edit sp.
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urgk Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 07:27 AM
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11. Me too.
I copied it in a comment above, just in case it gets deleted.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 09:41 AM
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20. Thanks for sharing those here. (nt)
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 07:36 AM
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12. Sounds jealous and bitter to me n/t
Edited on Sat Nov-12-11 07:36 AM by arcane1
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 07:43 AM
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13. Oh yeah, Frank Miller is most definitely a piece of shit.
Still riding on his long-expired comic book fame even though he hasn't produced anything decent in years and years, IMHO.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 07:44 AM
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14. Pretty much, yep. (nt)
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 07:56 AM
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15. Yeah, where have you been?
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 08:02 AM
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16. Read the first comment on his blog
Nails him big time.

sell out
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 06:17 PM
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37. Miller's sort of like Nat Hentoff now...
tirelessly spoke out against the system in his younger years; now he bitterly supports it...

That's why Miller is lashing out at OWS--It reminds him of how far he's strayed from his own ideal...
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 09:18 AM
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17. It Would Make Perfect Sense
If "Sin City" is his idea of utopia.
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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 09:33 AM
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18. He is a bit of a nasty drunk.
I admire his talent and the work he has done. But yes, a big fucking asshole.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 09:37 AM
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19. Yes. Or I assumed as much based on
how much he seems to hate women.
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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 09:47 AM
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21. Yes.
Edited on Sat Nov-12-11 09:48 AM by Hong Kong Cavalier
He hates women.
He hates the First Amendment.
He hates free speech.

He's a fascist. No, really. He's a fascist. Just read his comic books and you'll see the patterns.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 09:52 AM
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22. Who is Frank Miller?
And namely, why does anyone care about his opinion? (I do not mean this to criticize anyone here for caring, but really, who says his opinion is noteworthy?)
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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 03:41 PM
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23. Google
and Wikipedia, Very useful and easy tools on the internet.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 05:18 PM
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31. Sure, that's assuming that I care.
;)
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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 05:29 PM
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32. Sorry,
I now see your post was sarcastic, not serious.

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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 05:38 PM
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33. It's okay.
Often I do use Google, but I was too lazy to Google his name, LOL.
I saw Sin City in the theater with my ex boyfriend, and I was impressed.
But if a "creative" type is politically un-cool, maybe they are better off forgotten?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 04:56 PM
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27. Remember Sin City... he is like a big shit
Edited on Sat Nov-12-11 04:59 PM by nadinbrzezinski
in popular culture, especially the graphic novel culture. He just shit on his fans. Quite a few of the OWS folks read, or rather make that past tense, his work

Edited the tittle, bad me for confusing him with Moore... bad, bad me
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 05:01 PM
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28. Watchmen was Alan Moore
Frank Miller is no Alan Moore. His work is troublingly misogynistic and borderline fascist in its glorification of violence and "end justifies the means"; his best-known work is "THe Dark Knight Returns" (but he also wanted to do something called "Holy Terror, Batman" in which Batman killed Osama bin Laden).
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 05:05 PM
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29. That is why once I reallzed my error
I corrected myself. I just told hobby no more miller for us... HE IS a comic geek
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 03:50 PM
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24. Not always
He was an ok guy through the eighties to mid-nineties. Then his work started to slide and apparently, he was one of those guys who went off their head after 911. Pretty much everything he's done since has been awful.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 04:14 PM
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25. Obviously somebody wants to smash OWS' face into the corner of a table and yell "Where's Dent?!"
Yes, he's always been like this. Why would this be a surprise?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 04:15 PM
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26. GIT OFF MY LAWN!!!!!
Well I guess next thing he writes I ain't watching or buying
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 05:05 PM
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30. Never heard of him.
:shrug:
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 05:42 PM
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34. Reaction of attacking the movement noted.
Right on cue.

First they ignore you.... yada, yada.
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athenasatanjesus Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 05:49 PM
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35. Yes he has,he's also responsible for the worst comic of all time (All star Batman and Robin).
Also most of his comic books are misogynist as all hell.
He did return Batman to his roots as a dark character,but after that he's been awful.
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chade Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 06:00 PM
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36. Wow, learned a new vocabulary word from the comments
The people participating in OWS are "victocrats" - people who "blame others" instead of "taking responsibility" and "pulling themselves up by the bootstraps."

:puke:

Disappointing read, as I like his work.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 06:23 PM
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38. First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you,
and then you win.



---Mahatma Gandhi
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 01:29 AM
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39. Yes - but the idea that he's some subversive is sadly entrenched w/ the public
Edited on Sun Nov-13-11 01:34 AM by Adenoid_Hynkel
Which I find it amusing that the Internet is a-flutter with people acting like Frank's changed. He was always an asshole.
He's always been a rightwing hack. He's a misogynist, hates women and his work is laced with pro-fascist themes.
And the man likes to invoke 9/11 worse than Giuliani.

Here he is in the mid 2000s, still trying to justify the Iraq war:

Frank Miller: People say why did we attack Iraq for instance. Well, were taking on an idea. Nobody questions why after Pearl Harbor we attacked Nazi Germany. Its because we were taking on a form of global fascism. Were doing the same thing now.

Neil Conan: They did declare war on us.

Miller: Yeah, what I mean ispfftso did Iraq (chuckling).
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