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Bennyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 12:11 PM Original message |
Occupy Oakland last night. All about a dumpster and porto potties? |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. I saw video of a local news crew barred from access to the park... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Salient points. nt |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Several OWS encampments have really screwed up on media relations |
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Bennyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Please provide the video.. |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. It was all over the news a couple days ago... |
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Bennyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
30. Yes you are right, BUT |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #30 |
48. And of course your quite right... |
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ThoughtCriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 07:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
54. Guy with mask, talking revolution, keeping out media |
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Bennyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. And we know that how? |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
59. How does one guy "bar access" to a team of reporters in a city park? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. I saw it as well |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
53. It's at the bottom of this link. |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. that sounds very suspicious to me |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. They could have been asshole anarchists, or the Paul people. |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
2. "public urination, and trash" were just part of the cover story |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
3. Twenty million? I think that's a bit high. |
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Bennyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Probably really really really low |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. I have to disagree with your assertions. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Congress shall make no law...right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Governme |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. What part of "local ordinances" don't YOU understand? Good grief. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. The First Amendment has been "incorporated." |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #18 |
32. No it hasn't. This shit is not new. These laws have been on the books for |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 02:27 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Thanks for the long response, but I get the sense you didn't read what I wrote. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Well, I think we aren't disagreeing. Entirely, anyway. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. The states and/or munipalities cannot pass laws that supersede the 1st amendment. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. You are free to exercise your First Amendment rights--just not in a CLOSED PARK. |
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Bennyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. If it goes one way against medical cannabis |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. And the government does just that all the time. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. Which reduces them to "alleged" rights. Or, false advertising. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. Somewhat, yes. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
37. I have a feeling that if people were protesting and drumming at 3 AM outside your house |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. I expressed no outrage above, as far as I can tell. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 02:35 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. I was debating this with another DUer a few days ago, |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. I agree with you. Our Constitutional rights should not be absolute. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Some limitations on rights is considered acceptable by the courts |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 02:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. And the limitations are generally built around ordinances which say |
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Bennyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #8 |
27. Well talk tot he American Attorney's guild then.. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. Well, good for them. If I'm wrong I'm sure you will let me know! nt |
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CrackersMcGee (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
9. OWS should change their name to 'The 99%'. nt |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Wow. There is a concerted campaign to have the 99% organization take over OWS. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. They are often used interchangably |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. We'll see. |
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a simple pattern (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Weird. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 02:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. It would be nice to know but, as far as I can tell, he's not telling. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #21 |
36. Google suggested to me that he is a Working Group Facilitator at OWS. nt |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
24. California Cops love a good skull bashing |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
31. Who normally provides dumpsters, potties, clean-up, etc, for a large gathering - |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 02:29 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. The people holding the party--not the city--pay for it. |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Well then. With no potties/dumpsters, looks like the OWS event planners didn't plan completely. nt |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Haven't hundreds of thousands of dollars been donated to OWS? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. They need leaders who will work with the cops and not against them. |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Both Opccupy SF and Oakland HAVE been working with City leaders - |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Well, Oakland didn't do a good job--they refused to let reporters in. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. I also forgot about the food thing.... |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 06:29 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. OWS was not planned nor structured. That is some of its appeal |
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wildeyed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
51. Yeah, I'm with you. |
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Tsiyu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
55. "Oakland" is now branded "Violent and Unsafe" |
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Bennyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. AGAIN! |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
57. Not only that but OccupyOakland probably could have come up with donations toward those things |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
58. If it wasn't a dumster and porto potties it would have been something else - |
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