Rachel leads with Jobs and not OWS? WTF???? nt

[valerief]

[bighughdiehl]

1. You beat me....

It seems that Lawrence and Rachel are under
orders from their masters.

[movonne]

2. Is this away the media keeps away for the OWS march...this stinks

we don't need 2hrs on steve jobs...

[valerief]

3. I'm gonna check what's on TCM instead of watching Jobs or GOP horse race crap. nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

4. I may be wrong, but she hasn't even touched on Wall Street. If she has, I've missed it.

I watch her every night though. :shrug: I've been tuning her in to catch something on Wall Street, but she never goes there for some reason. :(

[valerief]

6. I haven't watched her either. I have to flip because it's all horse race bullshit. nt

[Supersedeas]

80. Exactly

[moondust]

5. One capitalist is a much bigger story than 20,000 in the streets?

:eyes:

[valerief]

8. Guess so. And he stole the GUI idea from Xerox. He didn't even invent it!!! nt

[MH1]

20. Jobs had a MASSIVE impact on our society and culture.

OWS may do that also. But it hasn't got there yet.

I'd be more concerned if she doesn't cover OWS at all ... but covering Jobs' death first makes sense.

[moondust]

27. Disagree.

There haven't been 20,000 people in the streets since what, the Iraq war protests nine years ago?

Ray Kroc and Sam Walton changed the world as well but I don't remember their deaths preempting large chunks of prime time TV.

But I'm sure a lot of people can't wait to get their hands on the iPhone 5. And the iPhone 7. And the iPhone 12. And...

I've never owned an Apple product myself and don't have any plans to.

Cult of personality bullshit.

[Joe the Revelator]

30. You can disagree all you want, but you'd still be wrong.

[eleny]

7. Time for a sharp email

[valerief]

9. Or flip the station. That sends a message. nt

[eleny]

15. yup

[banned from Kos]

10. Its called "news" - the death of a great icon will always be #1

especially 2 hours removed.

[valerief]

11. But I thought they always led with blood. Protesters were getting clubbed.

That's blood. Jobs has been sick for ages.

[banned from Kos]

14. Pope JP II was sick forever too. I was fixed on the news when he died.

And I am a Hitchens atheist.

[Peregrine Took]

12. My husband noted that MSNBC spent the last 2 hours about him.

Its nice to recall the dead - at the end of the show - but what about what's going on in life?

[Lucian]

13. Apparently he changed the world or something.

By introducing cheap crappy products built in sweat shops in China.

[Elwood P Dowd]

19. So is your cheap crappy tablet made in the USA?

Just about everything related to computers, phones, audio, video, gaming, etc. is made in China.

[Lucian]

24. It wasn't...

but it's not made in the volume Apple products were.

[SidDithers]

56. So smaller sweatshops are OK..

Thanks for clearing that up.

Sid

[City Lights]

63. Take something for your bitterness.

Please.

[EFerrari]

16. MSNBC is Wall Street, too. n/t

[nolabear]

17. A great mind is gone. Give him a minute of respect before you start complaining.

Geez.

[valerief]

18. Maybe the scientists from Xerox who invented GUI technology which Jobs stole

should be recognized, too.

Oh, yeah, and Gates stole it from Jobs.

Great man my ass. He was a megalomaniac.

[nolabear]

77. I purposefully said "mind", and I stand by my statement. I'm not fond of grave dancers myself.

Absolutely, recognize anyone who has contributed. I don't pretend to know the multifaceted relationships among those who invent and borrow and steal outright. But in my opinion calling someone you've never met a megalomaniac and dissing him on the day of his death is uncalled for.

[Rosco T.]

21. Well since she JUST SAID the OWS coverage was coming up...

.. guess you're attempt to spit on the dead is an epic fail. Luddite.

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. She's talking about it now. n/t

[trumad]

23. ugg and I mean fucking ugg

Its Steve fucking Jobs....... of course she's gonna lead with it.

Sometimes I think this place is jist as stupid as free republic.

[Rosco T.]

26. No it's the "ONLY WHAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT! TALK ABOUT THAT" mindset .

There is a big world out there, shit happens. If you ignore it, then you're Faux News.

[Joe the Revelator]

33. Agreed....on all counts.

[IndyPragmatist]

38. Agreed. This is a huge story.

[moondust]

48. No it's not. He's been dying for years. n/t

[tammywammy]

53. +1 n/t

[SidDithers]

57. +1...nt

Sid

[City Lights]

86. Couldn't agree more. eom

[badhair77]

25. I was disappointed Lawrence devoted a whole show to it

but I guess it was just announced before his show came on. It is big news. However, he could have done half of the show and moved to OWS. I'm glad Rachel is now on OWS.

[Rosco T.]

28. 1. It was hot, right then, news....

2. I believe (I think I heard this correctly) Lawrence was a friend of his.

[RebelOne]

29. Why not. The death of Steve Jobs is big news and a big loss. n/t

[irisblue]

31. well she's on it now

and big time..

[valerief]

34. Thanks. Half hour too late. She could have closed with Jobs. That was my complaint. nt

[Joe the Revelator]

37. American icon, or a group of protesters getting arrested with no goal in mind?

I'd like to hear about the death of the icon.

[valerief]

40. Well, the MSM is made for you, I guess. nt

[valerief]

59. I'd rather hear about the living American people with a goal of economic equity.

That's the vision. Details are easy to work out when you sell the vision.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

32. Watch the rest of the show...she just confirmed OWS

will work in the Democrats favor.

[valerief]

36. Two minutes on OWS and most of that time with a pollster. More horse race coming up now. nt

[madrchsod]

35. i think there`s enough room for both...

jobs was very important person in the shaping of the future. he died way to soon

[valerief]

39. Ten minutes at the end of the show would have been appropriate.

She could have noted at the top Jobs died and said they'd be covering it later in the show. Easy as pie.

[dkf]

41. Steve Jobs is the perfect juxtaposition to OWS.

It's the young person that starts a future mega corporation in his parent's garage compared to the youth who sit in front of Wall Street protesting that they can't find a job and have no opportunities.

Can do vs no can do.

We've lost the spirit that Steve Jobs embodied, yet it's exactly what we need to get this country going again.

[valerief]

42. People can't start small businesses now. They can't get loans.

And they need to steal ideas from big corporations. Jobs stole his from Xerox.

[dkf]

46. I bet he could have figured out how do to it.

I doubt he had much funding when was working out of his parents garage. He dropped out of college because it cost too much after all.

I guess this is a difference between us... You are inspired by young people protesting and I'm inspired by young people inventing things.

[newspeak]

51. yeah, and a lot of those inventors get shafted

my FIL invented things but the corporation owned them--no rich guy there. The guy who made big bucks with the ball point pen, well his employee invented that. My friend's father invented the touch lamp, screwed again.

And some people just want to do what they do best, like my cousin who is a damn good electrician, he's been laid off. But, keep talking about the protests. You've been doing it so well.

[valerief]

58. He didn't invent it. Xerox scientists did. Xerox didn't have the imagination to

make something from it. Jobs, to his credit, did, but he didn't do the tech work. Neither did Gates. They both stole it from Xerox.

[Tom Ripley]

71. Thank you, Mr Cain

[mmonk]

43. They have been told to concentrate on the election.

If you want coverage, you need to tune into Keith Olbermann as he is in charge of the news programming at Current. The others seem to have their marching orders. You can also tune into Link TV and watch Amy Goodman.

[newspeak]

54. yeah, Keith has been covering

the protests.

[in_cog_ni_to]

44. Now she's talking with Tom Vilsack about Broadband Internet.

:eyes: That's as important as OWS. :eyes:

[Rosco T.]

45. And BIG EDDIE will be broadcasting FROM OWS!

.. trust people, you didn't think it would really be ignored did you?

[in_cog_ni_to]

47. Leave it up to Ed to be the first MSNBC night time shows to be at OWS!

Thank you, Ed!

[EffieBlack]

49. And how much time have ANY of them - or any of you - spent on Rev. Fred Shuttlesworth

the civil rights icon, whom Dr. King once called "the most courageous civil rights fighter in the South."

He died today. I wonder how many people here know that . . . or know anything about him - or have even HEARD of him.

[markpkessinger]

50. I have been a big fan of Rachel, but . . .

. . . The lack of attention she has paid to OWS has been really disappointing.

Et tu, Rachel?

[in_cog_ni_to]

52. I know. Of all the night time hosts, I thought she would lead the pack and

she hasn't. It's so strange. Does someone close to her work on Wall Street or something? It's so bizarre that she chooses to not cover it. :(

[Throd]

55. Are you people for real? OWS will be there tomorrow. Steve Jobs is only going to die once.

I've been an IBM user all my career, but anyone who doesn't recognize the impact that Jobs made on the computer world and marketing culture is being willfully ignorant.

[valerief]

61. Steve Jobs stole the gui technology from Xerox and capitalized on it.

He deserves a ten minute tribute, not an all-night lovefest.

[Throd]

64. I don't care if he stole it from Gollum in Mordor, he turned it into Apple.

[valerief]

65. You know, you're right. The MSM should be covering Jobs. And the GOP horse race.

OWS was started without them, grew without them, and will continue without them. They're part of the problem, not part of the solution.

[B2G]

67. As busy as you are denigrating Jobs

You can't be paying too much attention to what's on the tube anyway.

[valerief]

68. Sorry, Mrs. J. I'll turn on the teevee now. nt

[B2G]

69. Make yourself some hot coco too

It has a calming effect.

[valerief]

72. I don't do chocolate, but it's time for my decaf coffee. I'm pretty calm now actually anyway, but

I like a big cup of hot decaf coffee before turning in.

What do you drink before turning in?

[B2G]

75. Wine

tonight, a couple more glasses than usual. :-)

[valerief]

76. I can't drink before going to bed. It keeps me up! A martini sounds good now, though.

Time to log off. Ciao for now!

[PufPuf23]

60. Maddow is brilliant and pleasant but I have no perceived

Rachel the same since the KO event.

She is either on a tether to retain her personal lot or complicit.

[lynne]

62. As well they should have. Jobs death should lead the news tonight -

- as he changed the world.

OWS was there yesterday and will be there tomorrow. Jobs won't.

[valerief]

66. You make it sound like he invented the personal computer. He didn't. nt

[lynne]

70. Do you deny he changed the world?

- I'm not going to list his accomplishments as you can find them anywhere. And where did I say anything about the personal computer???

Don't jump to conclusions. Its quite possible you may miss.

[valerief]

Change the world? Uh, he capitalized on a track the world was heading anyway.

Nah, he didn't change the world. He went with the flow and got rich from it. If not him, it would be someone else.

[lynne]

78. Like it or not, it was him and he did change the world -

- Doesn't matter that someone else may have eventually done it because they didn't. And he deserves to have his death announced. If you don't want to hear it, turn it off.

[HappyMe]

83. Well, of course he changed the world.

Not necessarily for the better. Everybody just has to have the latest, shiny bauble! And pay dearly for it. Spend the day staring at screens of various sizes.

I guess this outpouring here means that you can pick and choose which 1% person isn't included in the ows.

[alarimer]

73. Jobs is just another piece of shit capitalist pig.

Who profited off the slave labor of others.

[valerief]

74. There's that, too. nt

[Throd]

79. "Aaaarggghhh"...typed the frowning person on the internet...

[donheld]

81. OOOH the humanity!!!1!! This is HUGH! Are you series?

[999998th word]

82. -Oh look!! a squirrel .

[Kahuna]

84. "News" programming usually lead with "Breaking News." nt

[kctim]

85. More people actually care about Jobs and his story