Here is the problem with letting the Super Committee put Social Security on the table.

[county worker]

Doing away with Social Security is an ideological goal for the Repubs. The Dems will not use ideology in negotiations. Thus Dems come up with real solutions and trade a part of them away to give the Repubs one more pound of flesh. The ideological win will do nothing to reduce the deficit.

Any Dem that is willing to put Social Security on the table does not have the country's best interest at heart.

[mac56]

1. So again, we'll bring a knife to a gun fight.

:eyes:

[FiveGoodMen]

11. We'll bring a few rubber bands to snap them with -- at best.

[COLGATE4]

12. More like a water pistol...

[tblue]

2. I say let's put Republicans on the table.

Of course you're right. Also this "payroll tax holiday" is another foot in the door to SS cuts. Good point on ideology!

[KansDem]

3. Where is the "Social Security is off the table!" declaration?

It worked so well for the Bush/Cheney "Impeachment is off the table!" crime syndicate...

[MannyGoldstein]

4. Also because there is zero reason to touch it. Zero.

Other than simply stealomg the 2.6 Trillion (and growing) trust fund.

See the link in my sig for details.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

5. Any Dem that is willing to put Social Security on the table --

deserves to have their ass booted from office. Period. Any Dem.

[jtown1123]

8. Well that incudes Obama, Durbin, the list goes on and on...

[Hell Hath No Fury]

10. Yes, it does.

I don't have a problem with that.

[HockeyMom]

6. Give the money to Wall Street

that is what ending SS really means.

[jtown1123]

7. It was never "off the table." It was put on during the debt deal. We're toast n/t

[Dragonfli]

9. I don't know what we can do about it, the propaganda says somehow

The deal that created the super committee protects SS, ask any of the propagandists here, hell they will probably reply to your thread just to tell you that.

The plan is to keep the worst aspects quiet until the cuts are worked out, they already have the thirteen corporate votes they need (remember Max Bacchus is a Republican no matter what he calls himself).

Once the deal is worked out the president will pressure any hold out Dems like he did with the Insurance Profit Protection Act er I mean health care bill.
It will pass quickly, no filibuster allowed and gleefully signed by the President (his third way Ideology is a factor in this).

They will make sure it is bi-partisan so SS cuts can't be tied to any one party for the elections.


It is a done deal with details to be worked out in back rooms and will be passed before we are even allowed to know what is in it.

Real people will be hurt by this, hurt badly many of them but the corporate people will get what they paid for.

We no longer live in a Democracy, I will let the experts name the type of system it is now (those that know the proper definitions and are honest)

[Oilwellian]

13. We live in a...

Plutocratic kleptocracy.

[Cleita]

14. Any Dem wlling to sell off old people to negotiate

with Republicans is not a real Democrat and needs to be elected out of office.