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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 10:01 PM
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Where 30 Years of Real Class Warfare Has Left America
Where 30 Years of Real Class Warfare Has Left America
Larry Womack
Former Associate News Editor, The Huffington Post
Posted: 8/24/11 04:09 PM ET
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-womack/30-years-of-real-class-warfare_b_932279.html

There's a novel idea being championed by Republicans this month. Everyone, from Mitt Romney to Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann, seems to believe that the problem with the tax system is not that the very rich get off too easy, but that the very poor do. In fact, Republicans in Congress sound pretty eager to see payroll taxes on working Americans rise again in January.

This should strike most people as odd, since the super rich in this country are taxed just 17 percent of their earnings while the rest of us fork over around 36 percent. But the argument, Dallas Tea Party founder Phillip Dennis explained to Hardball viewers last month, is that, "The top one percent pays fifty percent of the taxes in this country."

"What," he asked, "about the bottom forty-eight percent who doesn't pay anything?" Yes, really: Americans are being asked to believe that if the top 1 percent managed to match the bottom 99 percent (which pays a rate more than twice as high,) that this would be evidence not of a truly breathtaking national wealth gap, but of a downtrodden upper class.

No one in America can leave their home, eat a meal, make a phone call or even turn on the lights without paying some sort of a regressive tax that disproportionately affects the poor and working class, so the premise of Dennis' argument is just factually untrue. What is true is that many Americans pay no federal income tax, because it has a progressive structure to counter that effect. It even manages to shake out surprisingly equitably among the poor and middle class, with those earning anything between $20,000 and $500,000 per year handing over a whopping 40 percent of their income to the government one way or another. Only the super rich seem to get off relatively easily, contributing just 17 percent.

<<snip>>

This return to pre-depression insanity is the result of three decades of real class warfare stretched over three Republican and two Democratic administrations and every imaginable combination of legislative control. In this bizarre new America, the fantasy of supply-side economics lingers, now usually in the form of a "job creator" talking point. (You know what really creates jobs? A working class capable of making purchases.) So today, any suggestion that the wealthy aren't paying enough is branded class warfare, but "a broad-based, regressive increase" targeting the working poor might be just what the doctor ordered. As a result, the super rich are charged a before-deduction tax rate that is half of what it was under Nixon and a real tax rate that is half of what their secretaries pay. It's income redistribution, alright -- from the bottom, which pays taxes, to the top, which does not.

We also leave people born to poor families disgracefully little opportunity to become one of those wealthy tax-dodgers we're so intent on pampering. The United States bills itself as the land of opportunity -- and when it comes to politics, nobody has anything on us. Our dirty little secret is that when it comes to economics, that couldn't be furtherfrom the truth. In fact, the U.S. offers its citizens the very lowest chance among wealthy nations for upward intergenerational socioeconomic mobility. If you're born to a poor family in America, you're probably going to die poor, too -- and so will your children. Unless, of course, you or they manage a move to Denmark.

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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 10:05 PM
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1. Poverty is a disease. I urge you all to watch "The Interrupters"
Our political system is broken, capitalism has failed us, and the media is owned by corporations with their own self-interests. We have one hell of a fight ahead of us. Yet I find myself refusing to ever give up or quit.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 10:10 PM
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2. k&r
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 10:18 PM
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3. Sometimes I think that our biggest job
is convincing people that politics, economics, and power are ALL interconnected. Even the so called "left" doesn't see it a lot of the time.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 08:06 PM
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18. For sure. Politics IS economics. But repubs (and some dems)
insist on splitting it into cultural "issues" - which are then used as a wedge to divide folks. If everyone voted their own pocketbook we wouldn't have this problem.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 11:05 PM
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21. Yep. But some of the chickens insist on
voting for Colonel Sanders. :)

I actually used the line about politics, economics, and power at a "Rebuild the Dream" meeting last Sunday. I think that it's going to be a staple for me when I'm among the bourgeoisie left. And right too.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 10:36 PM
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4. In my case if they're waiting for Demand to create Supply, they're going to
be waiting a hell of a long time. I'm not a hoarder, but I take good care of stuff, very talented at repairs and some of my cars are about 30 years old, not junkers. They've created this situation, so F them. Eventually we will take the country back from them, it's only a matter of time as more Americans wake up. Societies with imbalances like this aren't gonna make it in the long haul.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 03:49 PM
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9. Mexico proves you can keep a country running a long time ...
... with serious wealth imbalances. The rich people in the U.S. are trying to turn us into Mexico, and they are succeeding. Personally, I see little evidence that this will change any time soon.

-Laelth
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 06:01 PM
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11. +1000
Edited on Thu Aug-25-11 06:03 PM by Hydra
Banana republics last almost forever...as does the human toll they create.
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 06:54 PM
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13. No, banana republics only last as long as there's a client state with a large enough military
Without a market for bananas, they don't stay banana republics for long.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 06:59 PM
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15. Soylent Green? n/t
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savannah43 Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 08:03 PM
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17. They need people to buy the cheap crap that they cause
to be manufactured in China and other places with slave wages. How stupid does one have to be to not see the flaw in that thinking? With no jobs, where will the money come from to buy their goods and services? I think this indicates a more diabolical plan in the wings, but my imagination simply runs wild when I contemplate what they might be planning next. A Japanese novelist, Akiyuki Nosaka said, " Looking at the United States is like watching a test run for the decline of the human race." He said this prior to 1992. We are in deep, deep trouble.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 08:08 PM
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19. They don't care if US consumers buy it. They make it in China -
sell it to the Japanese, Chinese, and Indian middle classes. Multi-nationals may take advantage of the tax system here but they are in no way patriotic. They will sell to whomever can buy.
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 10:37 PM
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5. K&R!
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 10:59 PM
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6. Reminds me of this exchange from A Christmas Carol:
“Are there no prisons?” asked Scrooge.

“Plenty of prisons,” said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.

“And the Union workhouses?” demanded Scrooge. “Are they still in operation?”

“They are. Still,” returned the gentleman, “I wish I could say they were not.”

“The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?” said Scrooge.

“Both very busy, sir.”

“Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,” said Scrooge. “I’m very glad to hear it.”

“Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude,” returned the gentleman, “a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?”

“Nothing!” Scrooge replied.

“You wish to be anonymous?”

“I wish to be left alone,” said Scrooge. “Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don’t make merry myself at Christmas and I can’t afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned: they cost enough: and those who are badly off must go there.”

“Many can’t go there; and many would rather die.”

“If they would rather die,” said Scrooge, “they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.”

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oldironside Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 03:48 AM
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28. It's exactly how things are.
And it would take more than the visit of four spirits to shake these bastards out of their relentless aquisition. I offer you another insight into these soulless sponges.

http://youtu.be/YUhb0XII93I

As an atheist, it's things like this that make me hope there is a God and she has her prioties right. Not just whether you wore the right underwear or knelt down five times a day, but how you treated other people.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 11:15 AM
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7. kick
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 03:46 PM
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8. k&r for the truth. n/t
-Laelth
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Sentath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 04:22 PM
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10. +1'd
there and kicked here
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 06:12 PM
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12. Eat the rich.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 06:56 PM
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14. ^ +1,000! n/t
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matt819 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 07:33 PM
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16. Jon Stewart showed some of this last week
And it made me sick. That said, I really have to wonder if these people really, truly believe this. I mean, these people have children. Is this the message they want to pass along to them? Let them eat case? I got mine, fuck you? If so, then we are too far gone. These are truly vile and despicable attitudes. But I couldn't help but think that this is what they said because, well, this is what they are being paid to say. This is the message that fox news is paying for. I can't help but wonder if they got paid more to comment on MSNBC, the message would be different?

Do the RW poor really believe they are not poor, that these "fuck the poor" diatribes don't apply to them? Do they really believe they should pay more in taxes. If so, they aren't republican or conservative or tea partiers. They are brainwashed cult members. Who else would happily agree to actions and behaviors that threaten their very lives? This is simply not normal behavior. This is illness. This is madness.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 08:28 PM
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20. The RW poor think they won't be poor long.
They think that if they keep voting for ReTGHUGlicans, that some day their ship will come in , and they'll be wealthy enough to destroy their hearing with drugs, like their hero did.

I remember Gush Pfleghmball telling his listeners that they'd be rich like him, someday...
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 03:31 AM
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24. Yep, wouldn't wan't to tax the teabaggers' hypothetical future wealth
And redistribute it to some lazy poor person (as opposed to someone like them, who is only poor because of the liberal media and Al Gore and George Soros and ACORN conspiring against them).
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a2liberal Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 11:22 PM
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22. K&R (n/t)
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 12:08 AM
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23. Some people never stop thinking about how to take something that they
don't deserve...
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 08:34 AM
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25. Top 1% could pay ALL the taxes and still be filthy rich.
:nopity:
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w0nderer Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 08:37 AM
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26. K since i can't R n/t
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dogmoma56 Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 06:59 PM
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27. Wealth and Power are proof of gods Favor of a man, so it is a sin to tax them.. >>More>>
the richest 400 families hold 1.37 TRILLION DOLLARS..!!

the top 1% richest hold 42% of Americas Financial Wealth, 6 times that of the bottom 80% who hold only 7%.. so the top 20% hold 93% of Financial Wealth. that is why there is a Recession.. nearly all the available money has been looted by the rich. there isn't enough left to run an economy.

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html


Wealth and Power are proof of gods Favor of a man/corporation, so it is a sin to tax them. God Speaks directly to the rich/Powerful, the poor must "Submit" totally to their will, and become a slave to god. the poor/sick are being punished by god so it is a sin to help them, or not to torment them.

that means no PENSIONS, NO MEDICARE, NO SSI. NO PUBLIC EDUCATION, NO UNIONS, NO NEW DEAL, NO MINIMUM WAGE, NO CIVIL RIGHTS.etc etc. it means slavery to a Theocratic Plutocracy

http://doggo.tripod.com/doggchrisdomin.html


see http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secret-Fundamentalism-Heart-American/dp/0060560053/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1312653553&sr=1-3

http://www.amazon.com/Street-Fundamentalist-American-Democracy-Readers/dp/0316091065/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1312653553&sr=1-1



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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 04:04 AM
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29. Excellent. I think a lot about the book/documentary 'What's The Matter With Kansas'
If we could focus people on these bread and butter economic issues and pound away on the populist angle of the above, many of those tea partiers would be with us. Much of their anger is simply misplaced.

Nobody here - at DU of all places - should miss seeing the documentary 'What's The Matter With Kansas'. Now available on DVD!
http://whatsthematterwithkansas.com

Great trailer: http://vimeo.com/7710515
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 11:23 AM
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30. Well, now...
Here is what I’ve gleaned from the myriad posts I've read over the past week:

1) The DOJ and SCOTUS are FUBAR, yet many persist in debating the political sensibilities of the key players—AND that rare, elusive species: the future appointees. Do the key players in these two venues reflect the general caliber of human being extant in our hedonistic, narcissistic nation?

2) A growing number of Democrats, Liberals, Progressives and their ilk are completely disenchanted with Mr. Obama. These disenchanted folk are engaging in vociferous debates with Mr. Obama’s supporters. Both sides are indulging in sarcastic, bombastic and derisive defamation of those with whom they disagree. Does anyone think such vitriol is helping?

3) Hate-mongering and fear-mongering seem to be the order of the day. Blaming and shaming take precedence over empathy and compromise. The ‘lesser of two evils’ seems to be the talking point du jour. Do the Corporate Megalomaniacs make popcorn and serve snacks as they gleefully watch the hoi polloi snarf their divisive red herrings?

4) Our political process has been usurped by this miniscule number of obscenely wealthy corporatists (the Corporate Megalomaniacs), whose wealth is inextricably conflated with NEAR ABSOLUTE power and control. Should our focus shift from party affiliation to fixing the entire broken system?

I’m all for fixing our broken nation. I’ll feel a great deal more hopeful when all the energy being wasted on divisive back-biting and name-calling gets redirected: October 6, Freedom Plaza (think Satyagraha, and support *any* activism specifically intended to save our democracy).


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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 03:05 PM
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31. Boo on them. K & R on this OP.
One attack that the Uber rich offer to the notion of raising taxes on themselves is that doing so would "only raise some 700 billion dollars" over the next five years.

Yet raising taxes on the poorest of the poor is a stance which would end up not reducing the deficit at all. After all, local Food Stamp offices take into consideration how much an impoverished individual paid into the IRS, and so for every dollar more paid into the IRS, another dollar of Food Stamps could be issued.

If upping the rate that the impoverished pay into the system is now the main "prize" in terms of altering the tax system, these morons are truly deluded.


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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 03:18 PM
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32. another ironic part is - the rich get most of the payroll tax cut too
Edited on Sun Aug-28-11 03:18 PM by hfojvt
46% of the payroll tax cut goes to the richest 20% while only 12.1% of it goes to the bottom 40%. http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/160

So while this is a nice article, it is kinda bizarre that the payroll tax cut is being pushed here as some sort of balm to the poor.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 03:34 PM
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33. But how do we reform the tax system when so many forces are at work to keep the status quo?
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 07:07 PM
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35. well the super congress has promised to reform it
by eliminating loopholes for the middle class and the poor and lowering rates at the top.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 03:54 PM
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34. Bookmarking to counter right wing fallacies on our country's tax structure.
Thanks for posting!
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