Gulf fisher Lorrie Williams on facebook:August 3, 2011 aLL WE CAUGHT WAS death TODAY

[Swede]

Edited to add context as suggested (oops). Williams pulled 7 boxes of blue crab from the gulf,and in four of them all crabs were dead.



link

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/media/set/?set=a.2080584769028.214754.1077326039

[DURHAM D]

1. Unrec for useless. Not a FB member.

[The Stranger]

3. I don't think you have to be.

Unrec your unrec

[Sentath]

Unfortunately, you do

if you want to see any of their content.

[Taverner]

10. See post #4

[Taverner]

4. Dog I wish I could unrec your condescending, counterproductive whine...

Like some cheese with that?

Oh, and here's the pics you so snidely unrecced...

[geardaddy]

27. Thanks for posting the pics.

[Chimichurri]

60. See, no problem in the Gulf. Obama even said so.

This is heartbreaking!

[proud2BlibKansan]

8. rec to counter

Important info, regardless of the source.

[DURHAM D]

24. OP has now been edited to include a little info.

The original post had absolutely no info as to subject and the only way to view was if you are a FB member. Apparently there are many who mistakenly think an FB post is available to non-members.

[City Lights]

19. Rec'd to counter your whine. eom

[DURHAM D]

26. Did you see the OP before it was edited? nt

[Taverner]

35. I figured it out pre-edit just fine. And I am no rocket scientist

[LanternWaste]

46. But let us hope that's limited simply to children...

I'd hazard many children believe a set of car-key is useless as they are neither acquainted nor versed in its relevance-- perceiving it merely as a toy than jangles and makes noise.

But let us hope that's limited simply to children... in adults it's simply petulance.

[Lorien]

52. Recced to counter useless whining. nt

[FSogol]

2. Context! It's not just for breakfast anymore!

:shrug:

[Taverner]

6. Fishing industry, Gulf. Remember that spill a year or so back?

Just because the news doesn't report it doesn't mean its not still killing all aquatic life...

Have we forgotten this already???

[idiotgardener]

5. Here's what it says:

"We caught at least 7 boxes of Blue Crabs today and 4 Boxes were all dead along with any fish we seen in the water today.Floating dead Flounders,Black Drum,String rays,cat fish,gasping for air and then they would die."

Apparently he's upset they were killed before he got to do it?

[Taverner]

7. DOES NOBODY REMEMBER THE GODDAMN GULF OIL SPILL?????

Jeez, it's like I'm dealing with the guy from Memento here...

[idiotgardener]

14. OF COURSE WE REMEMBER

I just don't see much difference for those crabs and fish - either they were killed by oil or they'd suffocate in fishing nets while we overfish and kill the oceans in a different way. To them it's the same result, and for us it's disastrous either way. Sorry, not a lot of sympathy for fishermen.

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[idiotgardener]

40. In other words,

you don't agree with me and choose name-calling as the best method to communicate that. I wonder how that's worked out for you in life.

[bahrbearian]

43. Its worked pretty well, thanks, I've spent most of it fishing, logging and farming

Things that are given to us by Nature. You must really despise me.

[idiotgardener]

45. So you fish, log and farm by name-calling?

Right.

[bahrbearian]

48. I like your screen name.

[Taverner]

57. Who is this idiot gardener?

Even your most hard-core Vegan understands the fishing industry, how many livlihoods depend on it, and how it can be done in a sustainable way

[bahrbearian]

58. I can understand people not supporting fishing, but when crabs are dying

that is a concern that everyone must have, its a reflection on the health of the planet. but I like the user name, seems quite fitting.

[Taverner]

61. I agree on both

There are many reasons why there is a problem in the gulf - but our toxic relationship with the gulf is KILLING it...

We have to stop this

[theophilus]

42. I don't think that you have thought this through. n/t

[madfloridian]

15. What an unbelievable statement!! The Gulf is dying and you are making jokes.

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[idiotgardener]

Or we can see I have more empathy with those being killed

than those doing the killing.

Stating that I want the fishermen to die is just ridiculous. I just think they should find another line of work.

But as another poster said here, enjoy your poutrage. Yelling at me and assigning fictional, laughable claims to me does nothing to change my opinion or help the gulf recover.

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[idiotgardener]

37. You can see only what you want to see, apparently.

Have a good day.

[LanternWaste]

47. I imagine your sanctity towards life extends to weeds...

I imagine your empathy and sanctity towards life and extends to aphids, white flies, and weeds ... :shrug:

[idiotgardener]

49. You can imagine whatever you like.

[idiotgardener]

28. It wasn't a joke.

Fishermen have been killing our oceans for a long time and now they're upset someone else beat them to it. And all for a "food" product that is contaminated and makes people sick.

[madfloridian]

50. You equate fishermen with BP's spill? You mean it, don't you?

I thought it was a joke, but you are serious?

[idiotgardener]

56. They are both destroying the oceans and killing indiscriminately

Obviously BP did it much quicker and in a more concentrated area, but both are extremely harmful. Despite the reactions here, this is not a new or shocking idea. Scientific and environmental organizations have been saying this for years. Here's what National Geographic has to say about it:

http://ocean.nationalgeographic.com/ocean/critical-issues-overfishing/

... Faced with the collapse of large-fish populations, commercial fleets are going deeper in the ocean and father down the food chain for viable catches. This so-called "fishing down" is triggering a chain reaction that is upsetting the ancient and delicate balance of the sea's biologic system.

A study of catch data published in 2006 in the journal Science grimly predicted that if fishing rates continue apace, all the world's fisheries will have collapsed by the year 2048.


...

Many scientists say most fish populations could be restored with aggressive fisheries management, better enforcement of laws governing catches, and increased use of aquaculture. And in many regions, there is reason for hope. But illegal fishing and unsustainable harvesting still plagues the industry. And a public grown accustomed to abundant seafood and largely apathetic about the plight of the oceans complicates efforts to repair the damage we've done.

[louslobbs]

59. I think it's time to drop the gardener part of their name and just settle for what remains

Lou

[theophilus]

41. I guess you are a vegan. I support your right to choose but I like seafood

and a lot of sea creatures like seafood as well. If the native predators can't find enough to eat and many of the "food" items are dying off then I'd say "nature" is taking a hit whether I have a crab or two or not. What do you think? Are you going to enjoy all of the "dead zones"?

[idiotgardener]

44. Then you and I agree on that.

Of course I won't "enjoy" the dead zones. I just have more empathy with the animals who are suffocating to death - whether from oil or fishing, and the resulting ecological disaster humans have created, than for people who want to kill and eat the animals when we don't need to. You're right, the sea creatures who eat other sea creatures NEED that food and nature is taking a hit. That's part of what I was saying, though I said it in a way that upset some of the more excitable posters.

[Taverner]

9. I am amazed at how many DUers forgot we had a major oil spill last year out there

"Huh? Why are they mad the crabs are dead?"

:eyes:

[FSogol]

11. It was a strangely worded FB link with a cryptic misspelled sentence fragment.

Where did it say anything about crabs?

Kudos on your poutrage! :hi:

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[FSogol]

18. How much is who paying me? You make less sense than the original unedited post.

:shrug:

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[Pooka Fey]

23. Hey, Taverner - I haven't forgetten...

I don't know where these little smart-asses come from, but hang in there, bro
:grouphug:

[Aerows]

17. Incredibly sad.

I live on the Gulf Coast. There is certain to be an environmental and economic hit to the area for years to come.

[newfie11]

20. first the fish die, how long before humans follow.

Btw don't crab pots sit on the bottom? I would think there is a hell of a lot of corex and oil there.

[Pooka Fey]

21. Thank you for posting this.

I will never, ever, ever forget the Gulf "Oil Gusher" nor the tons of toxic and lethal Corexit which was unnecessarily dumped into the Gulf to cover up the extent of the damage. It was the worst environmental crime in the USA at the time, and predictably, the US government did nothing about it.

K&R

[Viking12]

22. Sounds like hypoxia

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1471891655453&saved#!/video/video.php?v=1471891655453

http://www.lumcon.edu/UserFiles/File/DeadZonePressRelease.pdf

[Taverner]

29. Do you think that's the result of the Miss River created "dead zone" or the dispersants?

[Viking12]

32. Not necessarily an either/or. Compound effects are likely, I suppose.

Take an ecosystem already stressed by one pollution problem, then add another and the results can't be positive.

[LTX]

39. It is. But the zone is not as big as expected.

The Mississippi flooding this year was expected to produce a larger dead zone. That said, the problem is still significant.

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2011/08/tropical-storm-blunts-gulf-of.html

There's nothing to indicate that the spill last year is responsible for any of the otherwise regular oxygen deprivation cycles in the gulf. But that fact won't stop the hysterical speculation.

[Angry Dragon]

55. ................

:thumbsdown:

[geardaddy]

25. K and R

[shireen]

30. those photos were devastating. looks like hypoxic zone

:cry:

looks like it was in a hypoxic (low oxygen) zone that worsens in summer due to excessive nutrient runoff that enters the Mississippi river. It's creates algae blooms that suck the oxygen out of the water. When the algae dies, bacteria that break it down keep using the oxygen up. It's also been bad at the Chesapeake Bay this year. :(

[Little Star]

34. So friggin sad!!!!

:cry:

[Shagbark Hickory]

36. Looks like BP got it pulled. +! for the attempt

[Autumn Colors]

38. I'm not a Facebook member and clicking link gets me this:

"This content is currently unavailable

The page you requested cannot be displayed right now. It may be temporarily unavailable, the link you clicked on may have expired, or you may not have permission to view this page."

I'm guessing the "you may not have permission to view this page" means you need to be a Facebook member to see whatever it is.

EDIT: The page had the Facebook logo at the top so it wasn't a generic browser error message.

[joeybee12]

51. KNR

[cwydro]

53. k and r

Sad to say, this comes as no surprise to me...

[Uncle Joe]

54. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Swede.