Looking for those posters that insisted entitlment increases were sure to be part of the deal...

[Sheepshank]

To give us the low down on what went wrong?
If the deal goes through...this is it http://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheet-victory-bipartisan-compromise-economy-american-people

from the link: "The enforcement mechanism in the deal exempts Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare benefits, unemployment insurance, programs for low-income families, and civilian and military retirement."

Bennies are exempt.

[gateley]

1. Well, they WILL BE -- just wait!

That's what I've been seeing, anyway. Their precog powers didn't pan out this time, so I'm a little hesitant to believe in their abilities to predict the future.

[Morning Dew]

2. Never heard about entitlement increases

3. ESTABLISHING A BIPARTISAN PROCESS TO ACHIEVE $1.5 TRILLION IN ADDITIONAL BALANCED DEFICIT REDUCTION BY THE END OF 2011
•The Deal Locks in a Process to Enact $1.5 Trillion in Additional Deficit Reduction Through a Bipartisan, Bicameral Congressional Committee: The deal creates a bipartisan, bicameral Congressional Committee that is charged with enacting $1.5 trillion in additional deficit reduction by the end of the year. This Committee will work without the looming specter of default, ensuring time to carefully consider essential reforms without the disruption and brinksmanship of the past few months.
• This Committee is Empowered Beyond Previous Bipartisan Attempts at Deficit Reduction: Any recommendation of the Committee would be given fast-track privilege in the House and Senate, assuring it of an up or down vote and preventing some from using procedural gimmicks to block action.
• To Meet This Target, the Committee Will Consider Responsible Entitlement and Tax Reform. This means putting all the priorities of both parties on the table – including both entitlement reform and revenue-raising tax reform.

[obxhead]

3. yes

To get this deal to extend through 2012 additional cuts will have to be decided. Otherwise it is just a deal to carry us to the beginning of 2012, therefore it's just a short term extension with a promise to work together.

[Morning Dew]

9. Yep. Work together to bail on granny.

[Gold Metal Flake]

4. Please link to relevent threads, thanks.

[jtown1123]

5. Well the Bipartisan committee is looking at entitlements so I'm still correct

in my thinking cuts are going to be proposed.

[Sheepshank]

8. Benefits are off the table.....

"The enforcement mechanism in the deal exempts Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare benefits, unemployment insurance, programs for low-income families, and civilian and military retirement." (from the link in the op)

The benefits are not on the table. Please clarify the rant now?

[zipplewrath]

10. However

the triggers will result in reduced payments to providers for medicaid. Basically they will cap medicaid and try to take it out of the providers payments. That doesn't technically reduce benefits, but it will have the effect of limiting the number of providers available.

[Sheepshank]

11. This is not a direct cut to benefits. n/t

Providers have been threatening to bail on Med patients since Obama came on board and started talking about HCR.

[zipplewrath]

17. No, not technically

Which is why they can make the claim that benefits haven't been cut, even though that is the functional result.

[Gormy Cuss]

13. and that more limited access will either save money because people can't use the Medicaid/Medicare

or will increase costs because rather than going to lower cost individual providers the users will end up in emergency rooms.

Capping payouts is a reduction in the benefit no matter how it is spun.

eta: is it a Medicaid or Medicare cap? I thought it was the latter.

[Sheepshank]

14. sure, right., reality in a hankerchief.....you've got it all figured out......

...albeit without a shred of proof.

[Gormy Cuss]

18. Have you ever tried to use Medicaid or Medicare?

The reality TODAY is that there are providers who will not take patients insured by these Federal plans. Reimbursement rates are generally the reason but not always.

However, my ample anecdotes of how it works aren't unbiased data. It's out there. AMA among other medical professional associations polls members on this topic. The rate of participation has been decreasing in recent years. I'm sure that with a simple Google search you can find that proof.


Hospitals are less clear cut, but when there is a disincentive to admit patients it's likely that they will respond accordingly.

[polmaven]

6. Entitlement INCREASES???

please post a link which shows anyone "insisting" that there would be entitlenment increases. :shrug:

[Sheepshank]

16. Increases to the decreases duh it was a typo.

[Sheepshank]

7. Enforcement protects Social Security, Medicare beneficiaries, and low-income programs from any cuts.

From the link

and then reiterated: "The enforcement mechanism in the deal exempts Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare benefits, unemployment insurance, programs for low-income families, and civilian and military retirement."

[spanone]

12. david plouffe said on the today show this morning that in the next round 'entitlements'

it's coming.

[Sheepshank]

15. next round?

This round hasn't even finished. This round has morphed more than a dozen times and he knows what will happen on the next round? Excellent divining there. :sarcasm: