Show no regret and show no remorse. Attack.

[Homer12]

I’m from Wisconsin and I am on the Attack. I've been a member of DU since at least 2001(edit), but now I need to speak and I need your ear.


“So this is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause.” Padmé Amidala Star Wars III: Revenge of the Sith


I’m all for being civil and respectful of others, you know stuff we learned from Mr. Rogers and Sesame Street, but there comes a time when you have to throw off the gauntlets and stop playing the role of the defender. There comes a time when you have to attack back and go on the offensive.

I am personally sick and tired because of my POV and liberal ideology refereed to being anti-American, a union thug, an inferior human being.

Have you been called a baby killer?

A union THUG?

Accused of stealing elections and voter fraud?

A moral and ethical deviant?


IF you are fight back, punch back, attack back.

You don’t have to be a Breitbart, or A Gingrich, or any of those rightwing extremists, you have to be yourself and back up what you say with evidence, not just opinion.

Unfortunately, conservatives and the right are almost all extremists, call them that, don’t pull your punches, don’t play the rope-a-dope like Obama has been doing.

Call them for what they are the evidence especially since 2008 and Obama’s elections backs you up.

REPUBLICANS AND CONSERVATIVES ARE EXTREMISTS

Why? How?

Extremists are incapable of moderation, incapable of making deals, incapable of governing. John Kasich, Scott Walker, Rick Snyder, Rick Scott, John Boehner, every rightwing talk show host, and on and on and on.

Listen, they hate you, they think you are inferior human beings for your beliefs, they see no difference between you and Stalin!

Punch back, counter attack; we are not dealing with reasonable people. We are dealing with Extremists.

Punch back on the web, if you have some loud mouth right winger at your workplace, put him in his place with counter evidence, e-mail your rightwing politicians and tell them what they are, let local AM radio station what you think an that your advertising ears and lost because of their programming. We can preach all we want to each other, but the rules have changed, it is not time to play nice, and you can still do it without being a Breitbart or a Limbaugh. Come back strong and have a backbone.

Barry Goldwater said that, "extremism in the cause of liberty is justified." The end is what matters to them, not the means to which it is obtained.

This is the modern day conservative movement, Republican Party, and Christian Nationalism. They are bent in making this country into a single party system. They’ve been in a state of war with the left and now are at war against the middle.

We better start understanding this fact.

Fighting the good fight is no longer acceptable. It’s time for people to go to arms in the arena of public opinion and policy. Now is the time to fight, the time for reason is over, and no matter how I, how we, wish things went back to a time when conservatives and the right was rational, that era is gone.

That era is DEAD.

There is no more ground to give.

Show no regret, no remorse, give NO parley and Show no quarter nor Mercy, because you shall receive none.

[HelenWheels]

1. 100% correct

And we could have started with Wiener.

[1monster]

3. Correction: We SHOULD HAVE started with Weiner.

[BeFree]

6. We should have shown we had the resolve

But we didn't. We let Weiner be cast to the dogs.

This episode shows me that the fight is out of us and we are whipped.
We can't even depend on our supposed friends.

[elehhhhna]

10. eff weiner. self-annihilating idiot , much like Edwards...

and this President is also a big fat disappointment, as well. everybody's halo's falling off.


they're all sociopaths. why is it "our fault" for not fighting for them? they're morons who don't deserve our respect. Except for Franken.

[emilyg]

16. +1

[ElsewheresDaughter]

27. agreed.....except it should have started with Spitzer

[ElsewheresDaughter]

28. wrong spot

[crim son]

31. elehhhhna, you rock. n/t

[divvy]

32. Unfortunately, our Democratic Leadership ONLY attacks their own.

Wait ..... Isn't that what wife beaters do? They only attack those who will not fight back.

[savalez]

35. The point of the OP's post is to personally retaliate against the RW.

[divvy]

51. Yes, I caught that. Too bad our leadership won't do that.

That is my point. Their leadership strengthens their position, our leaders seem intent on weakening ours.

We just want to "play nice" and "be above all that" and "not stoop to their level". Meanwhile, we are getting our clock cleaned and loosing on almost every front.

Edit: grammar

[csziggy]

9. We should have started with ACORN, Shirley Sherrod, and others

There have been so many of the valuable people and organizations on our side of this fight that were simply abandoned at the first smears by the right wing that I can no longer remember them. And they were all thrown under the bus without even as much 'investigation' as the Weiner situation got.

The right wing knows this tactic is working so they are going to keep using it and probably will ramp up the smears even more. We need to fight back from the first hint that it is happening. All we have to do is demand that a real investigation into whatever it is happening before we dump whoever or whatever is being smeared.

Edited for typo

[1monster]

12. No. We should have cut this kind of garbage off at the seedling stage many, many

years ago. An earlier stage, like Reagan sullying "liberal" would have been ideal. Instead, the demonizing of that word was so effective that most former liberals now call themselves "progressives," a word that means so little that even super blue dog Dems, DLCers, and DINOs can call themselves with a straight face.

We missed our other opportunities to start taking back our names, our agendas, and ourselves. We need to take (or even make) our next opportunity or we will be so marginalized as not to exist in this particular time/space continum.

[csziggy]

14. Yes, you are right - we have given up our strongest advantages

By letting them smear and denigrate the things that Democrats and liberals have supported in the past. We (liberals and progressive) got Social Security, Medicare, labor protections, environmental regulations and so much more through, but now the right wing has framed those things as evil and are using them to pound us.

Most people in this country when it is explained to them what good those things have done are in favor of them. But when Rush or Hannity or Beckkk sneer about them, people have a knee jerk reaction against them.

We need voices to push our side more strongly - but then I get back to the fact that not only are our strong voices smeared when they speak up but our own side is willing to throw them under the bus.

[truth2power]

34. You're correct about this: They're going to redouble their efforts because they know it works...

I said that in another thread, here, right after Weiner resigned. Just like the kid who throws a tantrum in the supermarket...if mom caves to the behavior, it'll get worse the next time around.

[eridani]

17. Too late--should have started with ACORN and Shirley Sherrod n/t

[JackRiddler]

39. We should have started in the 1980s.

[Shagbark Hickory]

2. More people in the movement could afford to have a fire like that lit under their ass. nt

[Angry Dragon]

4. I have been saying the same thing for awhile

1999?? ........ Du started in 2001

[Homer12]

7. Oops. It realy has been that long I forgot. n/t

[rbnyc]

5. Totally agree.

Just one thing. I'm confused. Wasn't DU founded in 2001?

[here_is_to_hope]

8. Good luck with that.

Obama was out golfing with Boner yesterday.
What does that tell you?

I am not a democrat, never have been though I support
candidates with a d next to their name.
But our d's are becoming 'r's.

And yeah, I am just here to watch it burn.

[WillyT]

11. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

:patriot:

:kick:

[MoonRiver]

13. I totally agree, but I believe influence buying is at the heart of the problem.

Democrats wouldn't be so timid if their political livelihoods didn't depend on corporate contributions.

[TBF]

19. Of course capital is the problem -

and always has been. But that doesn't mean we sit back and whine about "PACs". The OP is right - we need to fight back. Only I would respond much more strongly, we need to respond to show them we mean it (as they are in Wisconsin) - in the streets. Withdrawing our labor is the only thing we really have and the only thing they understand.

[ImNotTed]

15. I was with you until you quoted Star Wars III

Should've never been made, just like the 2 other shitty prequels.

[truth2power]

49. Your position on the prequels aside, that statement by Padme

was profound, IMO. I've quoted it many times to various people.

[sabrina 1]

18. I like your style!

:kick:

[TBF]

20. Solidarity brother! nt

[madrchsod]

21. wisconsin is the future of the labor and the social movement...

the next revolution will be orchestrated on facebook.

[bertman]

22. Absolutely correct, Homer12. But you will NEVER get that kind of backbone from the DLC

Democrats. Liberals/progressives, yes. DLC are accomplices.

REC.

[The Wizard]

23. I challenge them to a fist fight

and I'm an old guy who's 100% disabled from injuries sustained in Vietnam. They always back down. If they take me up on the challenge I'm willing to go primitive. Of course I carry a cane that I wouldn't think twice about using for self defense.

[dembotoz]

24. if we could just provide some spines further up the food chain

with a few exceptions i have been very unhappy with the party leadership.

they cave more than fred flintstone.

[MikeMc]

25. +1, H. Thanks. We're paying attention to WI.

My wife and I gave AFL-CIO's Working America money to help Labor in Wisconsin (The We Are One campaign). Our swinish repug gov, Tom Corbett (PA), just appeared with Walker at a Washington DC event (aiming to kill public education) sponsored by the Michigan nazi DeVos family.

Keep attacking Homer. We're doing it here, too.

[russspeakeasy]

26. "No more ground to give", is exactly right. Thanks for the post.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

29. When Obama and Pelosi called for Wiener to resign....we certainly gave them ALL the ground! they won

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[chervilant]

30. Yes, indeed,

it's time to put up or shut up. That's why I'll be in DC in October. Freedom Plaza, starting October 6. Staying until we take back our nation from the corporate megalomaniacs.

BTW, I do NOT expect this to be a bloodless coup...

[Stuart G]

33. I agree completely.. these thugs are destroying us,,,

we need to return the favor. They will do anything to get us,

We need to defend ourselves the same way we did during WWII..us or them..

[gussmith]

37. Homer12

Homer12 has it right and we need to stick to his points. What has Weimer got to do with counteracting conservatives? Weimer was a self-destructing deviant, not a person whose actions can be justified, particularly for an elected official. Stick to the subject of defending democracy please.

[Doctor_J]

45. Umm..yeah

enjoy your stay.

[white_wolf]

50. You left out the word short in between your and stay.

[libmom74]

38. K&R

[Common Sense Party]

40. And don't be afraid to call a right-wing slut a right-wing slut. n/t

[TwentyFive]

41. Names won't stop them. Our kindred spirits are in the French Revolution and Che Guevara

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution

[Homer12]

42. True, words will not stop them.

In fact they will were the abel "extremist" as a badge of honor, but what it will do is label them for what they are.

They are conservative, tea baggers, etc.... and Now they all are extremists.

[neoralme]

43. Fight back in every forum, one the net, on the street, at the grocery

store, wherever... If you do peaceful stuff, some people will say you are wonderful. But you will lose. Consider the enemy. He wants to enslaved or dead.

[certainot]

44. it all starts at your local limbaugh station

it needs to be shamed and picketed, it's local sponsors need to be shamed.

the univ of wisconsin needs to get the badgers out of the local limbaugh station 1310 WIBA, which gets walker's back all day to an audience much larger than the protestor numbers and their families and friends. another right wing badger station plays neal boortz, who just called for people to start shooting the 'thugs' - black people.

here's a generic petition that could be adapted for Uof Wis. to get unis out of the RW radio monopoly- the reason we're in this mess, the right's best weapon, and the only reason they're still a major party.\

http://signon.org/sign/american-universities-1?source=c.url&r_by=241761

"American Universities: Stop broadcasting athletics on Rush Limbaugh radio stations.

To be delivered to: American Universities and Colleges

“We the undersigned demand that our state-funded universities and colleges immediately find alternative non-partisan radio stations to broadcast their athletics.

By broadcasting on Rush Limbaugh and other political talk radio stations they endorse partisan political propaganda, global warming denial, hate, racism, and attacks on our unions and teachers, and therefore contradict their own stated goals and mission statements.”
Most talk radio stations in the US are dedicated to partisan politics and pro corporate propaganda. On most, only a small percentage of their prime time broadcasting includes non-partisan programing including state and local sports, weather, and traffic.


By broadcasting athletics on these stations our universities endorse and give community credibility and acceptability to talk stars like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Michael Savage, and significantly increase their local ad revenues.
Most national talkers are protected by call screeners from challenge and correction. There is evidence of regular participation by paid callers.


Long term attacks by these and other national and local talkers directed at teachers, unions, global warming science, as well as coordinated political disinformation and direct and inferred racism, sexism, and hate mongering, make radio stations that broadcast them unacceptable partners for American institutions of higher learning, as well as their students and faculty.

Please feel free to adapt this petition to your university or college."

[Doctor_J]

46. Missing the point of this post

A lot of raving rehash of stuff that's been obvious for 15 years. What's your point?

[truth2power]

52. If it's so obvious, how come we're not doing it? Hmm? eom

[Doctor_J]

53. Because actually doing something useful will be quite difficult

Posting the 10 millionth description of it...not so much

[amborin]

47. K&R ooops, too late to rec, alas

[Gemini Cat]

48. I'd like to rec this post, but it is too late.

I will give it a :kick: instead.

Nice guys finish last, and I'm sick of it. Time to fight back.

[AngryAmish]

54. We must be prepared to shit on the floor.

[ErikJ]

55. Target Rich Environments

I like to go to these places to attack and educate the ignorant RW extremist posters.

Foxnation.com, Yahoo Answers-Politics, Marketwatch.com,
Breitbart, The Blaze-(Beck's website) etc.

[Taitertots]

56. It really won't take much

Turn off the Television. Take your money out of the bank.