F U C K ... The only word that fits

[sunnystarr]

I guess this a rant and the only word that comes to mind is FUCK!

FUCK the Democrats! As a child I was taught that family always sticks together. Even if you transgressed and were wrong, your family stood up for you. When Vitter was re-elected the Republicans welcomed him back with a standing ovation. It's something that in spite of my hatred toward anything Republican I had to admire. They stuck together and protected their own.

We're all human and our very nature is imperfect. The phony outrage I've been observing is sickening. While there are many who would never think about sexting, there are many more who do this all the time. Personally it's not for me due to my puritanical upbringing by a mother who was really uptight about sex. To label Wiener as being "sick" because he's comfortable with his sexuality is no different than someone labelling his critics as being "sick" because they aren't comfortable with theirs.

He broke NO laws. He didn't commit perjury. There is no law that states you have to be honest with the press or those who want you to talk about your private dealings. It's no one's business! Of course now his wife will have make her own PERSONAL decisions. She's the only one affected.

Since when do we expect a public servant to be on the job 24/7?? We sure don't have a problem when he has sex with his wife and don't say he's having sex on OUR dime!! Do we want to know when our member of congress is masturbating? Did one of them fart on your dime? When they're bored in the endless meetings do we have a right to demand if they're having "unclean" thoughts?? This hysteria that Wiener's talking, or sending emails, or Private Messaging meant that he was doing this on OUR dime is absurd!!

I thought we were DEMOCRATS!! LIBERAL!! Honesty, integrity, being honorable, are all ideals that we strive for. They aren't reality. If you can manage this throughout your life 90% of the time you are special indeed. It's one of the main reasons so many are religious. So that when they "sin" they can be forgiven because too many can't forgive themselves or others for their imperfections.

Wiener's transgressions don't compare to the hypocracy on display as the Democrat parahnas circled in day after day to destroy Wiener. Loyalty nowhere to be found among them.

FUCK THEM!!

Wiener is gone and I'm changing my voter designation to Independent until a new Progressive Party emerges from the rubble.

FUCK!

[Matariki]

1. I'm feeling the same way

Except I was about to start a post that also included the word 'you'. I'm not sure if it's a lack of sticking together or a deliberate undermining, some of the posts here make me think it's the latter. I too would like to see a Progressive Party emerge - and that's where I would put my political energy.

[Mugweed]

2. My voter card says "NPA" under party

That stands for No Party Affiliation.

[sunnystarr]

5. Thanks Mugweed

I'll check into that. I've been a Democrat since I first voted in 1964 and didn't know what was available.

[Dappleganger]

23. Mine has been that for more than a decade.

[xxqqqzme]

34. 'DTS'

in California - Declined to State

[Ikonoklast]

3. He lied about it.

If he had said, "Fuck off, it's no one's business except my own." he may have been much better off.


We need to hold ourselves to a higher standard, period. If he had sent unsolicited pics to my daughter, I'd want his head on a platter.

If Weiner was a Republican and just resigned, you'd be cheering.

[lame54]

13. I would be...

but not because of some bullshit moral stand

I want all the repugs to resign

if they have a weakness - exploit it till they do

they are celebrating over this one - and they going to pontificate about values and proper behavior

we ALL know they don't give a shit about that - they just want the political victory

[Matariki]

14. Of course he lied in a 'moral' climate like America's

There a lies that matter in our National discourse and governance that actually matter - and people protecting their personal lives aren't it.

[salinen]

4. I'm almost with you

but, Wiener fucked up. It's difficult to defend someone who advertises their penis. It's a lame defense to say that Vitter, Craig, and Sanford did even worse. Let the pubs defend their perverts. We look better.

[Scuba]

9. +1

[sunnystarr]

10. Aside from the fact they did do worse

maybe the problem is being concerned with how "we" look. I don't understand this holier than thou attitude and place loyalty above all.

He transmitted a picture of his PENIS ... PRIVATELY! Personally I don't find any picture of a body part offensive. The woman he sent it to was a willing participant. Two consenting adults who were cybering. Personally I found it more offensive when my first husbnad would call me in to check out his poop in the toilet.

We don't recoil in horror when viewing statues of naked men in Rome ... penis exposed and all.

So the real problem is that it was an erect penis. Oh horrors! I do feel sorry for any woman who hasn't seen one in her lifetime.

He didn't "advertise" his penis since he didn't send it out to his email or twitter list. However the press and internet sites sure did advertise it for all to see. What does that make them?

[salinen]

17. Sure

It wasn't that bad, but silly and difficult to condone.

check out his poop? It's a good thing you called for his resignation (divorce).

[sunnystarr]

37. LOL - it was sure a sign of things to come! (nt)

[salinen]

39. sometime I call out to my wife from the toilet

"honey, I'm crowning" It's her fault for laughing.

[disillusioned73]

18. Ask anyone NOT politically aware (60-70%?) who those guys are..

and what their transgressions might be - then ask the same people about Weiner. There in lies the problem, our corporate takeover is well underway..

[AngryOldDem]

40. Exactly.

He brought this entirely on himself. He would have been a continuous distraction the Democrats don't need. No matter how brilliantly he spoke, no matter what salient points he may have made, it would mean nothing now. He shouldn't have waited this long -- all he did was delay the inevitable and keep himself in the news and in the stand-up comedy routines.

Time to move on. This country is swirling the drain. The sideshow is over.

[Fla_Democrat]

6. As was said in Boondock Saints

(NSFW)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDQCaGlqLFY







:smoke:

[Dappleganger]

24. Love this, that is classic.

[still_one]

7. If you really want your voice heard, when they call you for a contribution, that is when you tell

them why you won't don't this time

Money is the only thing politicians understand

[Solomon]

8. Oh, I get it. Weiner folds like an envelope, but instead it's

the democrats fault. He didn't have to resign no matter what they said. Yet you blame them and not him.

[Curmudgeoness]

35. He did not fold that easily. Try getting punched repeatedly

by all of your friends over and over again, with few of them even trying to help you, and see if sooner or later you do not fall. I agree that he did not have to resign no matter how much pressure he was under, but that is easy to say and hard to do.

[sunnystarr]

36. He didn't want to resign ... said he wouldn't

His constituents were still behind him and wanted him to remain. Then the Dems started to call for him to resign culminating with Obama publicly stating he should resign. The Dem leadership (Pelosi, DWS, Hoyer et al would have had the WH backing in calling for his resignation, which they did. He was warned of being ostracized by all the Dems and stripped of any committee seats. He was threatened with having his district absorbed by adjacent districts and totally disappearing in 2012. So in effect being an outcast and losing his district. Then they ratcheted the pressure up more and were planning to meet today to discuss what else they could do to get rid of him. I don't see that he had a choice in the end.

That's the same Democratic support we get.

[Autumn]

44. When the democratic "leadership" , right up to the President

says you should resign, you resign. A good example of folding like an envelope would have been Obama on Bush's tax breaks.

[disillusioned73]

11. BRAVO, excellent - I am right there with you...

:yourock:



this is such BS..:banghead:

[Nye Bevan]

12. I disagree. The word DUMBASS is also applicable (nt)

[jillan]

15. What bothers me the most about all of this is after Alan Grayson lost his seat, Weiner was the only

one that received media coverage for his voice for liberal ideals - especially on healthcare.

We are losing a great representative, and that's what hurts.

I could go on and on about how stupid he was to do what he did, or how the democrats didn't stand with him...but that's really irrelevant now.

Bottom line - who is going to fill the void in Congress??

[sunnystarr]

26. We lost the only spine we had left.

I really miss Grayson too!

[frylock]

41. he was never going back to the talk shows after this ..

not to talk about healthcare anyway.

[WinkyDink]

16. Is there a gun at Anthony's head, re: resignation?

[Stevenmarc]

32. Actually yes there was, they were threatening to redistrict him out of existence

[damntexdem]

19. Then by FUCK, you don't mean Friends University of Central Kansas?

;-)

[MineralMan]

20. You mention family as an example of support.

Here's what my family was like: Yes, if you were under attack, the family would defend you from that attack. However, if you had done something wrong, you were expected to 'fess up about it and take whatever steps were needed to make up for your actions. Those were the rules, and they were enforced. I know, because I did screw up when I was a young lad. I stole an item from a local store and was caught. The item was of little value. My parents response was predictable, as it always was. I had to go to that store, apologize abjectly for what I had done, and then do something to make up for it. In that case, I had to sweep the entire store.

That's what families do. They demand proper behavior and, if you exhibit it, they will defend you without question. If you engage in improper behavior, they will still love you, but you're going to have to make up for that behavior.

Those are my ethics. I learned them from my family. For others, the story may differ.

[sunnystarr]

21. No different than my family

Wiener did apologize publicly and display his shame to everyone. He answered every question put to him and didn't cut it short to end his public pain.

His "family" abandoned him.

[MineralMan]

29. Had he not lied in the first place for several days, he would not

be resigning today. Poor judgment and lying when caught always makes things worse. That's the other lesson I learned from my family. Weiner's resigning. I suggest you accept that and start wondering who will replace him. Weiner's finished, and he's finished by his own hand.

[vanbean]

43. I think you have it right.

[krabigirl]

22. Agree with you. Also an independent as of recently. Maybe one day there will be a progressive party.

I mainly changed due to the fact that the dem party has become another war party ( maybe they always were but I was too naive to notice), but yes, this busybody crap is another reason.

[ecstatic]

25. NY is full of democrats with integrity that can take his place

I don't have low standards when it comes to OUR politicians. The GOP can keep their low standards and hypocrites, but I think we deserve better.

[sunnystarr]

28. The integrity you long for never really existed

The difference in our time now is that we have a media that exposes everything. Throughout our history the media protected both the politician and the people from the sexual exploits of our politicians.

[NorthCarolina]

27. If Weiner had been a conservative "New Dem" he would have had plenty of defenders,

but NO, he had to go and be a LIBERAL.

[ecstatic]

30. That doesn't make any sense. If I sent a nude photo to your DU inbox,

I'd be banned. If my SO was sending naked pictures of himself to women, it would be over between us. I would not defend that type of behavior from ANYONE, not even the people closest to me.

[frylock]

42. conversely, if he were a republican DU would stepping all over their cranks..

trying to get him run.

[Whisp]

31. Weiner made himself a liability. Shout at him, the stupid one in this scenario.

[butterfly77]

33. Claiming that...

this will take them off point and they can't talk about what they need to,can't they walk and chew gum at the same type? When this so called "Scandal" started appearing they weren't doing a damn thing anyway. Still working for the republiCONS.

They need to get their asses out there and stop beating around the "BUSH' and start informing the illinformed and the ignorant about what the hell has really been going on in this country. We don't need any bluedogs coming out with republiCON talking points...

Here is an example of how they need to be talking http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=591913&mesg_id=591913 since their weak asses keep letting the media and the CONS decide what is best for us.. A lot of the Dems are afraid to tell the truth like Mrs.Kaptur she has been ringing the bell for years about the CONS. Will the CONS now manufacture a scandal on her and will the Dems fight for her...

[kath]

38. " start informing the illinformed and the ignorant about what the hell has really been going on in

this country."

If only, if only, if only they would develop spines and start doing that.
But I won't be holding my breath.
They've been way too lame for way too long.

[inna]

45. not to mention that most politicians lie ALL THE TIME - about things that REALLY matter.

This one lied about sex (not even sex; more like, his masturbation habbits) - so what?? Big effing deal!

This really blows. There is not even a shadow of doubt that he was targeted politically.


:nuke:

[GentryDixon]

46. I changed my designation long ago.

It seems we are headed for a one party style of governing, and it is not toward the party I grew up supporting. It is discouraging beyond comprehension. :cry: